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Why would you quit a job before you have another lined up for unrealistic work expectations?
You can receive unemployment benefits by being fired, unless it was for intentional misconduct.
A Guaranteed Income for Every American
Why would you quit a job before you have another lined up for unrealistic work expectations?
You can receive unemployment benefits by being fired, unless it was for intentional misconduct.
Sure, but then you need to decent paying jobs and growing wages. Everything is being outsourced overseas and companies are doing everything they can to pay fewer people as little as possible.
It would be great if everyone could work and make a decent living, but that isn't reality.
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Swiss cost of living is quite high. That suggested amount of universal basic income is actually just barely above the poverty line over there.
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umm..da US already has unemployment benefits.
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This is going to be a debated topic within our lifetime with more automation. Ironically, a lot of people said that with technology people would have more leisure time to spend less time at work and more doing what they enjoy. If the last 25 years are proving anything it's been the complete opposite as of now.
But this will be a bigger issue going forward as more blue collar work becoming fully automated and even some white collar jobs. People need access to a basic income and there needs to be an alternate to provide it.
But this will be a bigger issue going forward as more blue collar work becoming fully automated and even some white collar jobs. People need access to a basic income and there needs to be an alternate to provide it.
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While I'm not exactly in favor of Universal Basic Income, I'm still in favor of welfare/food stamps.
Think about it this way: if you've ever worked a job with a decently large work force (hell...if you've ever worked a job PERIOD), you know what a struggle it is to deal with someone incredibly lazy/incompetent. But as lazy and incompetent as they are, they still weren't lazy enough to lack the motivation to go out and find a job to make their own money.
If someone is too lazy to even have the motivation to get out there and find a job I don't want them out in the workforce, quite frankly. I'll pay them off to have them stay home and keep them out of the way.
Leave that spot open for someone who at least gives somewhat of a ****. You're not gonna change certain people.
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i look at it like this, a universal basic income could essentially replace federal & state guv'ment programs for social security, unemployment, & welfare (and maybe some other aid programs as well), which should simplify things all around for both working people & the government at large. Again part of the reason basic income is being discusses again (not a new idea) is not just that technology is displacing workers (this has always happened & workers have always had to find other work) but also the rate & scope of the displacement, meaning it seems to be accelerating & also getting into higher skilled/valued work, that (will likely) require more investment in time/training.
this may not be exactly necessary currently, today it would provide a boost for struggling low wage workers, some extra cash for the struggling middle class (), and maybe vacation money for the rich? however if you project out to a time when there is not much low skill work available and even higher skill work being diminished and thus even more competitive, this could lead to people having longer intervals of unemployment and having to change careers many times; a basic income might smooth these transitions automatically.
yes you could also say something like this will have a negative impact on work, but only for a certain KIND of work...part of the theory is that would make the pace of automation faster and/or raise wages (because companies would be forced to automate or raise wages to attract workers), decrease the price of goods & some services, and free up people to do other things to create value in other ways...
any/every country's most valuable resource is not the things it takes from the ground, or the wealth that it creates, it is its human capital; people create wealth with their discoveries & ideas, this too is partly some of the rationale for a universal basic income, basically an investment into a country's people just to a basic level, it won't solve everything - it might not solve anything - but it seems to me to be better than trying the same things and expecting different results...
The problem is people allowed politicians and corporations determine that corporate greed is more important that the average citizen. We have less leisure time because we are expected to work more hours for less money.
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Kinda wanted to see if it would work as an experiment in Swiss tbh
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#itscomplicated...it probably depends how you define "leisure" time, is it just time not working (maybe plus commute time) or is it time spent enjoying something other than work? if you compare how much leisure time people had when america was more agricultural, we probably have more leisure time now? i also think people think they need to be working more because of the technology enables us to and employer begin to expect it...
part of the math that politicians & corporations use is what is good for business is good for people, and to a large extent this has been mostly true. part of why the concept of a universal basic income is interesting is because it seems much of the the businesses being built today no longer rely on human labor to scale where you need a lot of people to create value and that doesn't really have anything to do with greed (not saying that greed isn't a factor though). human labor (especially of the low skill manual variety) is certainly going to be diminished and maybe not going to be the case at all in the future, which will mean less opportunities for people to earn a living. this may be fine for developed countries that have infrastructure & institutions to deal with what that may mean, but what will this mean for countries still building or without the infrastructure & institutions? as a different model for ways an economy might function in response to some of the ways labor demands are changing, a basic income might be an interesting solution...
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Well I'm basing this when this theory was put on which was in the 50s and 60s where your typical person worked a 9-5.
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