Stanford swimmer sentenced to 6 months for rape.

I'm not agreeing with the sentence. I'm just trying to find reasons as to why it's drastically shorter and to leave the law with some type of merit. Maybe it's a conspiracy and it's just because the judge went to Stanford. If that's the case, then the judge should be disbarred.
 
sooperhooper said:
Ok, an article on the previous page brought up a good point and it's basically why people are trying to get a better understanding of the moments that led to the facts.

How much of this case can actually be PROVEN? Having sex with her while she was unconscious. That's why he was found guilty.

If other segments of that night were able to be PROVEN, a harsher sentence is likely.

We can't PROVE that there was no consent. We can however prove that there was flirting going on beforehand, which could have led to consent,but we don't know. The victim can't definitely say she did not give consent because she admitted to blacking out and can't recall the events after a certain point. Which leads to the next point.

We can't PROVE that she appeared visibily drunk before passing out. She could have appeared coherent, given consent then blacked out. Remember, everyone doesn't "look drunk" when they are drunk.

If they were able to PROVE that he found her unconscious, drug her to the trash can, began intercourse while she was clearly unconscious, there is no way in HELL he would serve less than 10 years minimum.

I'm telling you, there's a lot of unsaid conclusions in these light verdicts.
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Yes, we can prove there wasn't any consent. Gov. Brown passed a bill that requires "affirmative consent."

(2) A policy that, in the evaluation of complaints in any disciplinary process, it shall not be a valid excuse to alleged lack of affirmative consent that the accused believed that the complainant consented to the sexual activity under either of the following circumstances:

(A) The accused’s belief in affirmative consent arose from the intoxication or recklessness of the accused.

(4) A policy that, in the evaluation of complaints in the disciplinary process, it shall not be a valid excuse that the accused believed that the complainant affirmatively consented to the sexual activity if the accused knew or reasonably should have known that the complainant was unable to consent to the sexual activity under any of the following circumstances:

(A) The complainant was asleep or unconscious.
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https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml?bill_id=201320140SB967
 
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sooperhooper said:
Ok, an article on the previous page brought up a good point and it's basically why people are trying to get a better understanding of the moments that led to the facts.

How much of this case can actually be PROVEN? Having sex with her while she was unconscious. That's why he was found guilty.

If other segments of that night were able to be PROVEN, a harsher sentence is likely.

We can't PROVE that there was no consent. We can however prove that there was flirting going on beforehand, which could have led to consent,but we don't know. The victim can't definitely say she did not give consent because she admitted to blacking out and can't recall the events after a certain point. Which leads to the next point.

We can't PROVE that she appeared visibily drunk before passing out. She could have appeared coherent, given consent then blacked out. Remember, everyone doesn't "look drunk" when they are drunk.

If they were able to PROVE that he found her unconscious, drug her to the trash can, began intercourse while she was clearly unconscious, there is no way in HELL he would serve less than 10 years minimum.

I'm telling you, there's a lot of unsaid conclusions in these light verdicts.
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You are being an apologist for a rapist
 
Send rapists away for life.

You dudes who are saying 10 years is too much really must not love the women in your life.
 
Sckid coming through with his speciallty again.
Threads involving white privilege.
Son has to be black lives matters highest ranking chinese member.
 
that google thread was in bad taste i agree thats why i didn't follow up on it...i saw it on reddit and thought it would be here anyway but i agree bad thread


the other 2 tho, is there something wrong with me condoning what those people did


I'm fully involved in that stanford thread.....the other thread just came up...both people did something stupid.
 
sooperhooper said:
Ok, an article on the previous page brought up a good point and it's basically why people are trying to get a better understanding of the moments that led to the facts.

How much of this case can actually be PROVEN? Having sex with her while she was unconscious. That's why he was found guilty.

If other segments of that night were able to be PROVEN, a harsher sentence is likely.

We can't PROVE that there was no consent. We can however prove that there was flirting going on beforehand, which could have led to consent,but we don't know. The victim can't definitely say she did not give consent because she admitted to blacking out and can't recall the events after a certain point. Which leads to the next point.

We can't PROVE that she appeared visibily drunk before passing out. She could have appeared coherent, given consent then blacked out. Remember, everyone doesn't "look drunk" when they are drunk.

If they were able to PROVE that he found her unconscious, drug her to the trash can, began intercourse while she was clearly unconscious, there is no way in HELL he would serve less than 10 years minimum.

I'm telling you, there's a lot of unsaid conclusions in these light verdicts.
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So if you were having consensual sex behind a dumpster and random people caught you, would you try to take off running and just leave the woman on the ground?
 
Ace Rawstein said:
frankmatthews frankmatthews ill keep going with you long as you dont think im a rape apologist or sympathize with this dude in any way lol

i dont want to derail with your thief scenario either but man I guess in your scenario your thief lied about why he stole but better yet you dont care why he stole. Only thing that matters is that he stole. Its not a justifiable reason for him to steal, no excuse is valid. I get that point of view and I accept that and I can agree with that.

However, there is another aspect to this that you may not care for, that I am interested in exploring just because im curious and interested. I think the thief told the truth about why he stole, but it doesnt impact my thoughts on whether he is a thief or not. I agree he is still a thief. I just want to examine why and how, what can be done to prevent that from happening with the next cat on the verge of thievery. And you said it doesnt matter cuz thievery wont stop. But if the focus of stopping thievery is on a specific location, population, demographic etc... i think you see results from further analysis. But you are free to disagree.


now with this Brock dude and the specifics of this rape case... I have already said that its hard for this to be a catalyst for a larger discussion on rape.

However, I'm not afraid or annoyed with seeing anybody else mentioning a broader point of view on rape culture, rapists, rape kits, victims, witnesses, accountability, etc etc
and still maintain empathy and support for the victim.
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Its not that i dont care why he stole, i do think thats important to disect that, as well as other issues to try and form a world where people dont feel the need to steal or rape or otherwise violate other people. Theres a difference to me between having an honest convo about why a person stole and trying to disect a carefully crafted defense, created by professional liars with the sole purpose of protecting that person from legal ramifications. Im inclined to not believe that excuse. Espeically with the facts of this particular case.

Its not that think stoping thievery or rape is a lost cause, i think analyzing it in the way you suggest will do little to change anything because you arent getting to the root of it. Poverty can be a factor but it is not THE factor. There are poor people who dont steal and there are rich people who do. Just the same there are heavy drinkers who do not rape people and there are rapists who are sober. So to take the approach of, lets examine binge drinking and party culture seems shortsighted and is disrespectful of the victim imo. Disrespectful because your reaction lends credibility to a story intended to minimize criminality and deny justice to a victim of rape. You are allowing that individual to mask their character flaws by enertaining the presumption that liquor was a primary cause. A lot of comments in here seem to be trying to somehow paint this kid as not that bad of a guy. All this talk of hypotheticals, gray areas and substance abuse trying to plant a seed that maybe, somehow, its not as bad as it looks. That maybe theres some inanimate object or idea thats to blame for this crime, not this kid and his flawed character.

You say you realize this case is not a catalyst to discuss what you are bringing up. So to go ahead and bring it up anyway seems awfully similar to the people who go in the threads about black folks killed by the police talking about black on black crime and the state of the black family. Not that those arent valid issues in of themselves but the timing and placement of those issues has its own implications that i dont think require further elaboration. Thats how you, among others, are coming off in here.
 
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Ace Rawstein said:
frankmatthews frankmatthews ill keep going with you long as you dont think im a rape apologist or sympathize with this dude in any way lol

i dont want to derail with your thief scenario either but man I guess in your scenario your thief lied about why he stole but better yet you dont care why he stole. Only thing that matters is that he stole. Its not a justifiable reason for him to steal, no excuse is valid. I get that point of view and I accept that and I can agree with that.

However, there is another aspect to this that you may not care for, that I am interested in exploring just because im curious and interested. I think the thief told the truth about why he stole, but it doesnt impact my thoughts on whether he is a thief or not. I agree he is still a thief. I just want to examine why and how, what can be done to prevent that from happening with the next cat on the verge of thievery. And you said it doesnt matter cuz thievery wont stop. But if the focus of stopping thievery is on a specific location, population, demographic etc... i think you see results from further analysis. But you are free to disagree.


now with this Brock dude and the specifics of this rape case... I have already said that its hard for this to be a catalyst for a larger discussion on rape.

However, I'm not afraid or annoyed with seeing anybody else mentioning a broader point of view on rape culture, rapists, rape kits, victims, witnesses, accountability, etc etc
and still maintain empathy and support for the victim.
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Its not that i dont care why he stole, i do think thats important to disect that, as well as other issues to try and form a world where people dont feel the need to steal or rape or otherwise violate other people. Theres a difference to me between having an honest convo about why a person stole and trying to disect a carefully crafted defense, created by professional liars with the sole purpose of protecting that person from legal ramifications. Im inclined to not believe that excuse. Espeically with the facts of this particular case.

Its not that think stoping thievery or rape is a lost cause, i think analyzing it in the way you suggest will do little to change anything because you arent getting to the root of it. Poverty can be a factor but it is not THE factor. There are poor people who dont steal and there are rich people who do. Just the same there are heavy drinkers who do not rape people and there are rapists who are sober. So to take the approach of, lets examine binge drinking and party culture seems shortsighted and is disrespectful of the victim imo. Disrespectful because your reaction lends credibility to a story intended to minimize criminality and deny justice to a victim of rape. You are allowing that individual to mask their character flaws by enertaining the presumption that liquor was a primary cause. A lot of comments in here seem to be trying to somehow paint this kid as not that bad of a guy. All this talk of hypotheticals, gray areas and substance abuse trying to plant a seed that maybe, somehow, its not as bad as it looks. That maybe theres some inanimate object or idea thats to blame for this crime, not this kid and his flawed character.

You say you realize this case is not a catalyst to discuss what you are bringing up. So to go ahead and bring it up anyway seems awfully similar to the people who go in the threads about black folks killed by the police talking about black on black crime and the state of the black family. Not that those arent valid issues in of themselves but the timing and placement of those issues has its own implications that i dont think require further elaboration. Thats how you, among others, are coming off in here.
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First of all I didn't bring it up and my first reaction was the same as any decent man with a lady in his life. I also think you are mixing points and are confused about my view on Brock Turner, tho I have stated it several times. I think Brock Turner is scum, I think he raped this woman, there are no excuses for his actions. End of story. I saw what some other people were saying about grey areas in sexual assault accusations and acknowledged it but said it wasn't fitting for this case.

The two points that I think you are crossing are your views from a law/court room perspective and my comments on the sociology/culture, psychology behind it. Your thoughts arent adding up to me when im talking about one thing and then you are talking about defense attorneys making up things and then you continue to tie it to this case. Those are two separate things but both can be discussed and untied from this case. But I think you want to tie everything to this case. Im not interested in doing that. This case is what it is. In my original statement that you commented on I state that things and facts would have to change to have better dialogue about the subject matter. And even when I said that I wasnt thinking that a full out discussion should commence, especially on NT.
 
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sooperhooper said:
And lastly, the blatant bias by the media was so laughable, convicted rapist, yet they find a respectable photo of him :lol: any person of color would've had the mugshot on deck the moment the story broke. Not surprising for a race to look out for their own kind though, still ridiculous.
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ksteezy said:

THE STANDFORD UNIVERSITY SWIMMING STAR!!! White america doing their best at shoving this clown in the most positive light possible, finding the best picture to show him....etc.

Disgusting b
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That bias is appalling and they don't even try to hide it. Using code words and **** to soften his image, got him in a suit and tie smiling, surrounded by family, "this young man" "allegedly" "committed a haneous crime". Meanwhile "this vile monster raped dozens of women savagely", while the media parades around usually old *** pics painting blacks as thugs and every other word in their playbook. They can fool a lot of people, but not me
 
Police investigating Brock Turner, the former Stanford swimmer convicted of sexual assault, looked into evidence that the 19-year-old student photographed his victim's breasts the night he sexually assaulted her, according to a report by The Daily Mail.

Citing court documents, the Mail writes that Turner received a message on his phone shortly after his arrest on Jan. 18, 2015 that read, "WHOS TIT IS THAT." The message, which came from a member of Turner's swim team who was using the messaging app GroupMe, was referring to a photo that had already been deleted.



The timing raised investigators' suspicions. Documents show they obtained a search warrant for Turner's phone, but the crime lab was never able to retrieve the deleted photo because of the way the third-party messaging app functions.


To make things look even worse for Turner, one of the graduate students who found him assaulting the woman behind a dumpster that night told police that Turner was "standing over her with a cell phone" and that the cell phone "had a bright light pointed in the direction of the female," according to the police report published by the Mail.

While the newly-revealed police details don't prove definitively that Turner photographed his victim that night, it's another disturbing detail in an already very disturbing case.

Turner was facing a maximum of sentence of 14 years in the case but was sentenced to a highly controversial six months in jail last month. The case started getting renewed attention after a letter Turner's father read in his son's defense at his sentencing started going viral, along with an emotional letter written by his victim.

Several swim team members sent reference letters to judge Aaron Persky to try to lessen the severity of Turner's punishment. Justin Buck, the student who sent the "WHOSE TIT IS THAT" message, was not one of them.
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this outcome is more appalling each day new info is released 
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