2016 Official NBA Off-Season Thread: Former Greatness

can someone clarify for me why STAT receives more love for his NYK days than he does for his Phoenix days? I didn't pay too close attention to him once he left the Western Conference but it seemed like he was a shell of his former self once he left the Suns and parted from Steve Nash. I may be completely off base here but it seems analogous to Dwight leaving the Magic and becoming almost a non-factor.
Because he gave the Knicks credibility and played well before Melo strong-armed his way to NY.
 
I just got hella deja-vu. Like we've had this whole convo before. must be in the matrix. or nt gon nt.
 
The Quad injury last year and the (ankle?) injury in the Memphis series are the only true injuries I can think of. If I remember correctly, the reason he missed so many games in 2014/2015 was because he got an infection in his elbow when he got it drained. I wouldn't exactly call that an injury or hold jt against him. He didn't miss any games before or after that infection.

He played in like 346 out of a possible 350 games prior to that infection.

Last season was a mess but I'm not too concerned about injuries. Although they said that quad might still be bothering him.

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*yea, he missed his entire season. No problem holding that against him if you want. :lol:

He's either straight up missing time ('10, '15, '16) or getting hurt in the playoffs and playing poorly as a result ('12, '13).

I don't see how you can't be concerned. It's a different body part almost every year
 
Stat's first year (or first half of the year) in NY gets romanticized quite a bit. They were sitting right around .500 before the Melo deal but I guess for Knicks fans it gave them hope that they hadn't had in a while.
 
Stat's first year (or first half of the year) in NY gets romanticized quite a bit. They were sitting right around .500 before the Melo deal but I guess for Knicks fans it gave them hope that they hadn't had in a while.

You have to start somewhere. Melo doesn't come to NY without the Knicks hovering around .500
 
The Quad injury last year and the (ankle?) injury in the Memphis series are the only true injuries I can think of. If I remember correctly, the reason he missed so many games in 2014/2015 was because he got an infection in his elbow when he got it drained. I wouldn't exactly call that an injury or hold jt against him. He didn't miss any games before or after that infection.

He played in like 346 out of a possible 350 games prior to that infection.

Last season was a mess but I'm not too concerned about injuries. Although they said that quad might still be bothering him.

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*yea, he missed his entire season. No problem holding that against him if you want. :lol:

He's either straight up missing time ('10, '15, '16) or getting hurt in the playoffs and playing poorly as a result ('12, '13).

I don't see how you can't be concerned. It's a different body part almost every year

Because prior to last year nobody would have called him injury prone. Maybe I'm tripping, but when did he get hurt in the '13 playoffs? I remember him having a solid postseason vs GS and OKC. The memphis series isnthe only series in 2012-2013 I can remember him being hurt. If that's cause for concern then Chris Paul is Mr. Glass. He's been hurt the last two postseasons and missed a chunk of the regular season a couple years back.

And again, missing 15 games from an elbow infection is never tgonna scare me. It's not like he broke his elbow playing in a game :lol:
 
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if my dude shoe was writing manifestos defending Wes Johnson as a Clipper then i cant even imagine the word count were going to have to read once he sees the Blake slander today.
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Lol no manifesto on this side bro. If ever we're lucky enough to anything of significance, the last thing I'll be worried about is the manifesto.

However, you guys were OD with the Wes Johnson hate. I called him an elite corner shooter, and in his first season with LAC he was exactly that. Didn't shoot as well from other 3 point spots as he did with LAC, but he also took less attempts and played less, minutes wise. His per 36 numbers are right in line with what he did with LAL, which isn't bad at all considering the upgrade in players that he's playing with. 

I still like him. Was glad that we were able to resign him on a solid deal. He lowkey could be the 3 the Clips need if he could become the defender he was projected to be out of Syracuse.
 
Yes he does. He was thirsty for NY. 

Thirsty ain't eem the word. The boy was on the first thing smoking to NY. And he wanted that money under the old CBA.

All this coulda been avoided if he ain't take the extra year in 2006, allowing him to opt out after 2010.

George Karl having cancer...Adrian Dantley being the worst coach in basketball history, LaLa being even more thirsty to go to NYC were all factors in Melo leaving.

2010 playoffs against the Jazz maybe the worst coaching I've ever seen. Chauncey Billups choking too. That was the beginning of the end :smh:
 
Thirsty ain't eem the word. The boy was on the first thing smoking to NY. And he wanted that money under the old CBA.

All this coulda been avoided if he ain't take the extra year in 2006, allowing him to opt out after 2010.

George Karl having cancer...Adrian Dantley being the worst coach in basketball history, LaLa being even more thirsty to go to NYC were all factors in Melo leaving.

2010 playoffs against the Jazz maybe the worst coaching I've ever seen. Chauncey Billups choking too. That was the beginning of the end
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bro i remember that series its like they were trying to lose.  had some backup center nobody knew from utah doing whatever he pleases
 
Keep it a buck, if you miss 4 games in 4 years, then miss 15 games because of an elbow infection, and over 40 games because of a Quad tear then to me, you're just a person who is relatively healthy who sometimes gets unlucky. An elbow infection here, ankle sprain the walk through of a pregame before a playoff series, I mean Idk, to me that just doesn't scream "injury prone." 
 
Stat's first year (or first half of the year) in NY gets romanticized quite a bit. They were sitting right around .500 before the Melo deal but I guess for Knicks fans it gave them hope that they hadn't had in a while.
Stat just had the city feeling.....different. He made the mecca feel more like the mecca again instead of a perennial joke. Yeah it ended badly but for that short moment in time it was nice. Just like Linsanity. It was amazing, ended badly, but was nice while it lasted and had the city feeling good.
 
The Quad injury last year and the (ankle?) injury in the Memphis series are the only true injuries I can think of. If I remember correctly, the reason he missed so many games in 2014/2015 was because he got an infection in his elbow when he got it drained. I wouldn't exactly call that an injury or hold jt against him. He didn't miss any games before or after that infection.

He played in like 346 out of a possible 350 games prior to that infection.

Last season was a mess but I'm not too concerned about injuries. Although they said that quad might still be bothering him.

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*yea, he missed his entire season. No problem holding that against him if you want. :lol:

He's either straight up missing time ('10, '15, '16) or getting hurt in the playoffs and playing poorly as a result ('12, '13).

I don't see how you can't be concerned. It's a different body part almost every year

Because prior to last year nobody would have called him injury prone. Maybe I'm tripping, but when did he get hurt in the '13 playoffs? I remember him having a solid postseason vs GS and OKC. The memphis series isnthe only series in 2012-2013 I can remember him being hurt. If that's cause for concern then Chris Paul is Mr. Glass. He's been hurt the last two postseasons and missed a chunk of the regular season a couple years back.

And again, missing 15 games from an elbow infection is never tgonna scare me. It's not like he broke his elbow playing in a game :lol:

But last season happened, though.

'13 = the 2012-13 season. They played Memphis, lost in 6 games. He only played like 13 mins in the final game. VDN said his ankle was the size of a grapefruit. I remember this because I had money on the Clippers :lol:

Year before that he sprained his knee against Memphis, and had nothing for the Spurs.

The GS/OKC series were in '14. In my OG post I said that was his most impressive season start to finish.

And again, the elbow thing contributes to the overarching point that there is almost always something going on him with physically.

Edit: You can just take a peek at his playoff stats and see that. 19, 13, 23, 25, 15 (ppg).

5 runs, 3 of them affected by injury.
 
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Melo goofed so much looking back on it.

Not following his 2003 buddies in taking the shorter deal opt out in 2010, it would have been him not Bosh to go to Miami if he did.

Not waiting until the following summer to go to NY, having a better supporting cast around him.

Not taking a shorter deal again in 2014 or outright signing with the Bulls when they were still decent.

Dude has cost himself more money and opportunities to be in winning situations than anyone I can remember in recent history. It's like the smart and logical things to do he does the exact opposite thing, word to LaMilton TaShawn.
 
But last season happened, though.

'13 = the 2012-13 season. They played Memphis, lost in 6 games. He only played like 13 mins in the final game. VDN said his ankle was the size of a grapefruit. I remember this because I had money on the Clippers
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The GS/OKC series were in '14. In my OG post I said that was his most impressive season start to finish.
He rolled is ankle in a walkthrough on Lamar Odom's foot right before Game 5. It was worse than a ankle break IIRC. That's more of a freak accident than someone being injury prone, i.e. his body not being able to hold up

I just think there's a difference in a player who's relatively healthy that gets injured and a player who's injury prone.
 
Like I said...Blake is accident prone. When it all comes down to it, I would expect another accident to happen with as many "accidents" he's had already.
 
Melo goofed so much looking back on it.

Not following his 2003 buddies in taking the shorter deal opt out in 2010, it would have been him not Bosh to go to Miami if he did.

Not waiting until the following summer to go to NY, having a better supporting cast around him.

Not taking a shorter deal again in 2014 or outright signing with the Bulls when they were still decent.

Dude has cost himself more money and opportunities to be in winning situations than anyone I can remember in recent history. It's like the smart and logical things to do he does the exact opposite thing, word to LaMilton TaShawn.

Melo is all about "money on the table". Shortsighted
 
But last season happened, though.


'13 = the 2012-13 season. They played Memphis, lost in 6 games. He only played like 13 mins in the final game. VDN said his ankle was the size of a grapefruit. I remember this because I had money on the Clippers :lol:


The GS/OKC series were in '14. In my OG post I said that was his most impressive season start to finish.

He rolled is ankle in a walkthrough on Lamar Odom's foot right before Game 5. It was worse than a ankle break IIRC. That's more of a freak accident than someone being injury prone, i.e. his body not being able to hold up

I just think there's a difference in a player who's relatively healthy that gets injured and a player who's injury prone.
I guess I can't really disagree with that. However similar to what bhzmafia14 bhzmafia14 just said, if he gets hurt again next year I won't be surprised.
 
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