Life and Death Vol. Life is Precious

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Been two years since my father passed away. Been having an existential mini-crisis lately.

Now I'm an agnostic. I don't really prescribe to any mainstream religion's ideas on the hereafter, but I don't really have any explanations myself other than I feel like there's really nothing after this.

Few reasons.

- There's been approximately 100.8 BILLION humans who have ever lived according to Carl Haub, senior demographer for the Population Reference Bureau. It's incredibly hard for me to helieve that there's some higher power that has created some place for this mass of humanity postmortem.

- The sheer amount of ****** up ways people die. From warfare to brutal massacres. You spend enough time on liveleak and you have to question at some point how a higher power would just let his creations get murked out like that. I mean just look at what happened to the kid in Aleppo. Folks butchering each other in the name of God and country while I'm just sitting here wondering how people can throw away life so carelessly. That was someone's kid man. He ain't never coming back.

- Witnessing death firsthand. You spend years, decades with someone you love and one day they're gone. You're left looking at their lifeless body on a hospital bed or in a casket and you bury them. Nothing was as affirming for me of the idea that there's nothing after this life than seeing my pops lowered into the ground.

I can't really explain how or why, but I just knew. Now he was a Muslim, I left that path a long time ago but everyone who showed up to the funeral was Muslim. I hadn't been to a mosque in years, nor prayed. Not since I had left. It was at that moment i saw with real clarity, people needed faith for moments like this. I wish I could indulge in that, even for just a moment of comfort, but I couldn't. Something in my mind would not let me.


Now I'm a father. Two of my own. I feel like that's it, that's the closest I'll ever get to living forever.

But still that feels like a defense mechanism. Truth is when you're gone you just don't know what'll become of your family, your kids, your lineage. Really at some point your bloodline will be so far gone it won't really matter in the grand scheme.

I feel fortunate, being able to spend my life with the people I have but at the same time it hurts. It hurts knowing you created life and you won't be there when it's their time. Now no parent wants to bury their child but at the same time you want to always be there for them.

***** crazy. Some folks think that our energy, our spirits, our conscious will go on. I don't know though man, I honestly can't say for certain what happens. I just personally believe it's nothing and that just sucks because so many people are out here offing one another because they legit think they're going to respawn.

What do y'all think happens when we're gone? Honestly.

And thanks, for letting me ramble out these thoughts. I appreciate that NT.
 
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I'm with you OP

I don't follow any religion, or believe in heaven or hell.

However I do believe in God 
 
I believe we are born, and then we die. And thats it. This life is all we have 

To me personally, for another person to take another persons life, is the ultimate sin 

Because, I believe there is no afterlife 

People always ask me how I believe in God but don't believe in heaven or hell? 
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I guess I believe something must have created this universe, but I don't think "God" is looking down on us specifically.... 

because we aren't really anything

I look at myself equal to an ant/small bug 

Do they go to heaven or hell?? or have an afterlife? I don't think so imo.... 

Thats just my opinion though 
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I believe we are born, and then we die. And thats it. This life is all we have 

To me personally, for another person to take another persons life, is the ultimate sin 

Because, I believe there is no afterlife 

People always ask me how I believe in God but don't believe in heaven or hell? :lol:  

I guess I believe something must have created this universe, but I don't think "God" is looking down on us specifically.... 

because we aren't really anything

I look at myself equal to an ant/small bug 

Do they go to heaven or hell?? or have an afterlife? I don't think so imo.... 

Thats just my opinion though 8)  


That's another thing, bugs and other critters. Look at that 100+ billion approximation for humans that have lived. Then let's think about the trillions of other organisms that have existed.

Are their lives lower than ours? Is there a heaven for a fly? I mean the more I think about it the more convoluted the idea of there hereafter gets. Or are we that narcissistic that we really believe that heaven is reserved for just us or select life forms?

I mean it gets messier the more we delve into the subject.

Doesn't help that guys like Stephen Hawking and Neil Degrasse Tyson don't believe in anything after this. Pretty damning honestly.

But then what about ghosts? Near death experiences where kids and adults alike share similar experiences?

All types of other **** like folks who can channel the dead and religious black magic is fascinating as well.
 
I'm not religious. Other than becoming a skeleton, I don't know what happens after I go. It's depressing thought to me but it is what it is.

Cherish the day.
 
Man, I was about to marinate my chicken for tomorrow and you open this up.

Honestly, I would have thought I typed up the original ppst. That is how similar my thoughts are.

I would like to touch on the creatures aspect. It is wild how we think afterlife is something only we will indulge in. Human arrogance. But honestly, I think people with pets might think otherwise.

But yea, when I die, I believe I die. Nothing else.

I'm cool with that, because I will be dead.
 
Everybody is agnostic though.

Elaborate?
But yea, when I die, I believe I die. Nothing else.

I'm cool with that, because I will be dead.

Yeah, I guess it'll all be fine once our brains shut down.

Don't want to go out like my pops did though. He was still clearly somewhat coherent in his final days because he would try to muster a response when we were trying to talk to him but his eyes were closed and he couldn't move.

That was frightening. Just seeing him there, nearly lifeless but on some level he was fighting, trying to tell us something before he went.

That hurt to see. Like you said its arrogance man, people want so badly to be able to have something to look forward to but we don't consider other lifeforms let alone other's people's lives. People romanticize and even incentivize warfare and bloodshed like its justifiable...

I wish there was some way I could reach my pops again but in my heart of heart I know he's gone. I understand why people indulge in the idea of a hereafter because it really does hurt to see people you love pass on.

It taught me just to fight harder to keep the ones I love in my life.
 
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I've always wanted to hear theories on the afterlife outside of a religious POV but never have time to actually read into the stuff. Basically have the same feeling as you OP however call it the ego or whatever but cmon fam there has to be something. We spend all this time roaming the planet & then one day poof it just never happens again. I don't even wanna believe that lol

Waiting on Sleazy to enter & post some Reddit comments about theories on the afterlife :lol:
 
I've always wanted to hear theories on the afterlife outside of a religious POV but never have time to actually read into the stuff. Basically have the same feeling as you OP however call it the ego or whatever but cmon fam there has to be something. We spend all this time roaming the planet & then one day poof it just never happens again. I don't even wanna believe that lol

Waiting on Sleazy to enter & post some Reddit comments about theories on the afterlife :lol:


I feel all of that but there's something I call the amoeba complex.

It's really the special snowflake complex we humans have. We all want to believe we're here for a reason. That we are far too intricate a design to be a coincidence but say we are the result of intelligent design.

Does that creator value an amoeba less than a human?

Or bacteria even? Think about infectious disease and the microorganisms that thrive on eating away at their hosts.

I mean, is there heaven for an E. coli?
 
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I've thought about this a lot. I O.G. wanted to major is astronomy, but couldn't because I would have panic attacks :smh:

There is absolutely no point to life. The point of life is to replicate and pass down information to future generations and die. When population growth is exponential, this becomes a huge problem in many ways, the wrong people are replicating, BUT ANYWAY....

You make life meaningful everyday you live. It's up to you to figure it out what your meaning is and keep me you going. So, just know that everyday, create your own meaning that puts a smile on your face everyday you wake up, and live the ****e out of your life.

When you die? I don't believe anything happens. Well, maybe something does happen at a level we can't understand, but in regards to the level we are at ex: consciousness, we will never experience it for ourselves.

I personally haven't had kids yet because I'm undecided. Sure, you might feel "immortal" but eventually, future lineage will forget about you. Think right now about your great great great grandfathers who sacrificed their own experiences for you right now? Don't know them, don't care. Everything fades. This whole world, universe, galaxy, no matter what, everything will decay and die. Everything has a life cycle.

Best thing you could ever do, go find an international dark sky spot, pull up a chair, and see the vastness of space the way it SHOULD be viewed by every ignorant fuk on this planet. It is MIND BLOWN. Give all you $ to Elon Musk who wants to make us a multi-planetary species. Cause, that is mind blowing right there, regardless if it gets done or not, just props to the person who has the courage to attempt a feat like that (going to Mars).

In the meantime this video and the Celestine prophecy book :smokin

 
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I've thought about this a lot. I O.G. wanted to major is astronomy, but couldn't because I would have panic attacks :smh:

There is absolutely no point to life. The point of life is to replicate and pass down information to future generations and die. When population growth is exponential, this becomes a huge problem in many ways, the wrong people are replicating, BUT ANYWAY....

You make life meaningful everyday you live. It's up to you to figure it out what your meaning is and keep me you going. So, just know that everyday, create your own meaning that puts a smile on your face everyday you wake up, and live the ****e out of your life.

When you die? I don't believe anything happens. Well, maybe something does happen at a level we can't understand, but in regards to the level we are at ex: consciousness, we will never experience it for ourselves.

I personally haven't had kids yet because I'm undecided. Sure, you might feel "immortal" but eventually, future lineage will forget about you. Think right now about your great great great grandfathers who sacrificed their own experiences for you right now? Don't know them, don't care. Everything fades. This whole world, universe, galaxy, no matter what, everything will decay and die. Everything has a life cycle.

Best thing you could ever do, go find an international dark sky spot, pull up a chair, and see the vastness of space the way it SHOULD be viewed by every ignorant fuk on this planet. It is MIND BLOWN. Give all you $ to Elon Musk who wants to make us a multi-planetary species. Cause, that is mind blowing right there, regardless if it gets done or not, just props to the person who has the courage to attempt a feat like that (going to Mars).

In the meantime this video and the Celestine prophecy book :smokin



Great post and vid. Agreed on all fronts. Lowkey jelly I won't be around to witness humanity colonizing other planets.

Back to the kids part.

I wonder how many people have kids because they really want kids and how many do it because of cultural and religious reasons, or even those who aren't religious. How many of us have kids because we want some part of us to live on, even if it's just for a few generations?

Now of course people fall in love and kids just happen. Though I can honestly say my reasons were multifaceted I can say that part of it was because I wanted some part of us to live on.

When I think about that, it seems selfish for some reason.
 
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I believe there is one single infinite consciousness that's decentralized and expressed in all living things. It experiences physical life through each living organism found in the universe. Essentially, this explains the paradox of how everyone is a god and the god at the same time. There could be other realms where this intelligence coalesces but we're not meant to know this, at least not in the physical form.
 
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^^^^^ u ever read "the egg"
http://www.galactanet.com/oneoff/theegg_mod.html


I was thinking about how everything lined up so perfectly for me to be right here typing this. Its a ridiculous coincidence. ...like astronomical.

Or is it?

How long has space been around.....how vast is it....what is it expanding into......how long has there been time?
Is it possible those coincidences happened before or will happen again....is there a conscious similar or identical to mine out there....

I think maybe that idea of "the universe is so big my existence is like an ants etc" .... i think theres a possibility that is exactly the opposite
 
I see no convincing evidence of a divine presence or an afterlife, but I honestly think that's a good thing.  It allows me to focus on reality and make the best of the life I've been given, because as far as I know this is all I have.  
 
I see no convincing evidence of a divine presence or an afterlife, but I honestly think that's a good thing.  It allows me to focus on reality and make the best of the life I've been given, because as far as I know this is all I have.  

Which is pretty much the consensus held by those in the scientific community.

It's astonishing that Stephen Hawking has lived to 74 with ALS. I mean that's nothing short of a "miracle" and yet he believes it's his work that keeps him alive.


That's the key to life then, staying busy and keeping that noggin of ours churning.


That's my problem with religion, too many people get complacent with it. Feel like if people knew for certain this is it there would be a greater sense of urgency.


Life is too damn short for all the BS that gets entertained in this world.
 
I'm a Muslim and I honestly think there is something beyond this temporary life. This may not be the best example but logically it makes sense to me. We were alive before we knew it. In our mothers wombs we had a fully functioning mind, body and soul. Yet we have no memory of it. So it begs the question of when did our lives start? When was the soul fused with the flesh? Where was the "soul" prior? Did the soul exist prior to it being fused to our body?

I See and respect your opinions on some things, but what about the positive things? People rely on a higher being on good occurrences not only the negative. Many people not only rely on a higher being when things are bad, deaths in the family, illnesses, loss of a job, financial problems. Many people rely on a higher being when things are going smoothly in their lives, when they have children, get married, get a raise, become wealthy etc.

One major breakthrough in my spirituality was the idea of testing. In that when something bad happens in ones life, they associate it with being a test, but in my case, I've been tested with pleasure. There are many things I indulged in that I shouldn't have. Something to think about, yes bad things happen to everyone but many dont experience pleasure.

If there isn't an afterlife, ill turn to dust and become nothing. I lived a decent life and enjoyed it thoroughly. If there is an afterlife I might have an atoms worth of a chance. It is what it is.
 
^ You believe the virgins are waiting in Heaven ideology?

Yes, If heaven is everything pure, then their must be the pleasure of intimacy. In Islam when a man comes to his wife or vice versa it is considered a righteous act. pleasure that we should enjoy. So there must be intimate pleasure there with your wife ( considering if both make it to heaven).

I love women, if I can get rewarded with all things pleasurable and righteous, who am I to turn that down. :pimp:
 
So Islam doesn't promote the being on your hands and knees worshipping God 24/7 idea?

When would you have time to play with Virgins?
 
So Islam doesn't promote the being on your hands and knees worshipping God 24/7 idea?

When would you have time to play with Virgins?

No, it doesn't. We are required to pray 5 times a day. Anything else is supplementary. We struggle now, to enjoy later. Delayed gratification.

Time would be irrelevant in the next life.
 
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