The Ninjahood Thread [Formerly the White Fragility Thread]

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http://libjournal.uncg.edu/ijcp/article/viewFile/249/116

really long good but really good read about white privilege and white "fragility"

this is just an excerpt

thoughts?  
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It's the middle of summer.
There's so many women walking around with their toes exposed.

How many of these threads do we really need?
At some point we (minorities) have to just live our lives.
We can't always be worried about the white man.

FTR - I believe white fragility is a real thing.
 
Diego said:
It's the middle of summer.
There's so many women walking around with their toes exposed.

How many of these threads do we really need?
At some point we (minorities) have to just live our lives.
We can't always be worried about the white man.

FTR - I believe white fragility is a real thing.
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thats all that mattres
 
Why u postin on nt then and not lookin at girls if but u dont wanna talk about the topic

Racism dont quit cuz its summer or cuz of girls
 
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Hand2HandKing said:
Why u postin on nt then if u dont wanna talk about the topic

Racism dont quit cuz its summer or cuz of girls
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Plus I can be outraged about systemic racism and scope out feet at the same time with our current technology.
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Haven't watched yet. Just stumbled upon this researching the author in case anyone is interested:

 
 
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The article talks about yall too (white) people always trying to make jokes and derail the convo :smh:
 
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I read the whole article. My roommate (who is white) displays "white fragility" whenever something racial is brought up among my girl or my friends (who are black). I will accredit this mainly to "racial arrogance" (see article for the definition I am referring to). The author paints a grim picture when she says,
White racism is ultimately a white problem and
the burden for interrupting it belongs to white people (Derman-Sparks & Phillips,
1997; hooks, 1995; Wise, 2003
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, right after speaking about "racial arrogance". She writes,
Because most whites have not been trained
to think complexly about racism in schools (Derman-Sparks, Ramsey & Olsen
Edwards, 2006; Sleeter, 1993) or mainstream discourse, and because it benefits
white dominance not to do so, we have a very limited understanding of racism.
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. Now I say the author paints a grim picture because she is saying "the burden for interrupting white racism belongs to white people", and, "most whites have not been trained to think complexly about racism in schools." So why would one group take responsibility to change something that A) they don't understand, and B) is benefiting them. This is sad and one of the reasons I believe things won't change any time soon. Even those who acknowledge all of this and understand completely have very little motivation to incite change. I can admit that, personally, while I'm gaining a better understanding of racial issues (mainly because of the abundance of racial posts on NT) I still don't see anything I can do to change anything and I'm not compelled to.

There are so many white people that just don't understand. When minorities try to inform them of systematic racism, etc... I do believe it falls on deaf ears most of the time. And here is where the "white fragility" comes in... White people feel like they are having the finger pointed at them personally, they may get upset or defensive or just dismiss it. This will upset the person trying to educate them. No progress is made. I've seen this happen on NT over and over and in real life with my roommate. I think "universalism" and "individualism" play a big part also (see article for definition I am referring to).

I agree with the author that humility is important.
Whites generally feel free to dismiss these informed perspec-
tives rather than have the humility to acknowledge that they are unfamiliar, reflect
on them further, or seek more information.
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Just understanding racism has always been here in US and to offer an open mind, a listening ear, a held hand and stand with my fellow citizens can make a difference.

hand2handking hand2handking thoughts?
 
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@Hennessy i repped ur post

I agree with everything u wrote with the exception of the impetus to change.

I understand you have no reason to incite change but it has to happen

I believe that you have a good understanding of the issue and thats a start
 
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@Hennessy i repped ur post

I agree with everything u wrote with the exception of the impetus to change.

I understand you have no reason to incite change but it has to happen

I believe that you have a good understanding of the issue and thats a start
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I actually do have reason as I plan on marrying and having kids with my girlfriend (who is black) who lives with me. When racial topics are brought up I make sure to listen to her entirely before speaking. She has the first hand knowledge that I lack. Ive shown some "white fragility" towards her at times but not in a denying or disrespectful manner. More of a dismissive manner like, "I'm aware of most of what you're saying, I am understanding, but what can I do?" It's at this point in hit with the, "well you better do something because our kids are going to be black." I'm sorry to say this, but this level of empathy may need to be reached before white people start doing anything. The author showed empathy because she grew up "poor white" she knew it was hard for her and wondered how much harder it must be for poor blacks. She understands in her own way, as those who have mixed kids understand in their own way...although neither group will truly ever understand.

While many black children are told cautionary tales of racism and taught by their parents the harsh realities they will face, white children are not taught this. White children grow up engrained as beneficiarys of systematic racism and oppression and therefore do not seek to understand or learn something that will likely never affect them negatively but will certainly benefit them. If they refuse to acknowledge it, it will still benefit them unknowingly.

Back to mixed kids. Maybe this is what it will take. I'm over at my girls brothers house a lot and his wife is white. They have two sons who are 3 and 5 and I get a lot of stories from my girl about the "realizations" her sister in law confides with her. She didn't realize it was real until if affected her family unit. All of my girls older brothers except one are married to white women actually. It's pretty interesting when we are all together lol.

I don't know what it will take for white people to want to change anything when they have no stake. And if the burden is on us white people to incite this change, then that's a HUGE problem because of everything the author pointed out. Like I said, she paints a very sad and grim picture of an issue that I believe will take a big melting pot and generations to resolve.
 
My bad i didnt mean no reason in that i was tryin to invalidate ur family/circumstance i jus meant in a general sense

Like u as a white person dont benefit and in fact will probably suffer from bringing topics like this up with other white people
 
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My bad i didnt mean no reason in that i was tryin to invalidate ur family/circumstance i jus meant in a general sense

Like u as a white person dont benefit and in fact will probably suffer from bringing topics like this up with other white people
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No it's ok. I just didn't feel the need to bring that up initially but it is relevant.

And yes to the latter part of your post I agree with you. Until that empathy is felt, in some way, it's a moot point to many white people. I think that in 2016, some humility and an open mind is necessary and could go further than we think. Once you plant these truths as seeds in someone's mind it can flower into a greater understanding.

Talk to me a few years ago I would've been real fragile. I grew up in upstate NY there was one or two black people in my high school graduating class. Things got better in college but I was still naive and uninformed. Now, because of NT, living in DC (nearly 50% black population), and dating black women I accept these hard truths and do my best to learn and understand as much as I can. But to be completely honest a lot of the things the author mentioned are engrained in white people and they don't even know it. By the time they do, it's usually too late or they feel guilty/helpless. I guess that is the way "systematic" racism was meant to be deployed though, unfortunately.
 
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i'm white...and this is the FOURTH time i came across this term 'white fragility' today...fb, google news, NT...i guess you can say it's gone viral. 

as for the question - i would agree. most white folks i know don't know anything about racism and are pretty ignorant to it...they engage in subversive racism on the daily and have no clue they're even doing it. if you mention it - they're immediately offended. 

and then there's the type that you try to talk about it and they shut you down immediately. i don't think it's all malicious or malevolent, though, i just think it's beyond basic comprehension...and i think if there's nothing to gain from the effort that goes into comprehension, they don't see any reason to try.
 
One of the problems with white ppl and dealing with racism is...a lot of them simply don't want to learn about it. And they are never tought. This starts from home, and continues in school. Hell, one of the textbooks a few years ago tried to paint black people as immigrant paid workers :lol:. Bill O'reily's response to Michelle's speech where she said she's living in a house built by enslaved black people...was: "The slaves were well fed and had decent lodging." :x

Racism in school is made to seem like racist white people made black people slaves.... treated us bad for a few years....freed us....and everything was fine. We had equal rights and were free to do as we wanted for the next 150 years :lol:. They largely miss out on the next 100 years where black people don't have any rights...and are terrorized. History jumps to the industrial revolution, roaring 20s...Great Depression and Martin Luther King being "peaceful" during the civil rights era. After that...its present day.

So in a lot of white peoples minds...black people are complaining. We shoulda been able to get our sht together now. They are never thought of the continued racist policies that existed pretty clearly until the early 90s...and are still present covertly today.

The history of racism is so damn recent. A lot of our parents...grand parents etc existed in a time where it was openly okay to discriminate against black people.

That isn't stressed enough. What's even more damaging is the success of COINTELPRO...and the myth of black on black crime....at the same time as the "war on drugs"....crack epidemic...CIA-contra and cocaine trafficking to poor black neighborhoods. Racist housing policies. White flight from the cities. Mandatory minimums. Prison industrial complex, Redlining etc.

There's no coincidence that the majority of these things happened the following years after the civil rights era.

And here we are today. Black lives matter being painted as terrorist groups. What about Chicago? Stop crying about racism. Look at the immigrants. Etc etc. These are common, white talking points to the Black plight...infringed upon Black people by the systemic racism.

But they will never look at the source. Hell, a lot of us don't even understand WHY some of us live in the hood...or are the first ever to attend college in their families etc. White supremacy has done a number on us....

And has led to "White Fragility".
 
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