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post #211 of 231
Now I know the receivers **** the bed yesterday, but I'm here watching GMA and this Greg Stefanopolous(sp?) just said the Giants lose a tough game the day after some teammates party in Miami, showing the infamous pic.

mean.gif That's sleazy media for you.

Gotta retool and come back better next year. I still want a big receiver/upper echelon TE in this mix, but there are more important holes to fill (paws).
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post #212 of 231
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Originally Posted by Super Producer J View Post

Now I know the receivers **** the bed yesterday, but I'm here watching GMA and this Greg Stefanopolous(sp?) just said the Giants lose a tough game the day after some teammates party in Miami, showing the infamous pic.

mean.gif That's sleazy media for you.

.

Nothing surprises me anymore.

I want the team to address the O line and also want to draft Dalvin Cook
post #213 of 231
Special teams was basura. Bobby Rainey fielding the kickoff at the 1...srs?

Using Bobby Rainey on 4th and 1...wut?

Eli overthrowing wide open relievers...

Wrs dropping catchable balls...

And the icing in the cake was the hail Mary... Revenge from 2008, can't make that **** up.


Terrible.
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post #214 of 231
I dont wanna hear any blame go to Eli

He was the only one on offense to show up yesterday
post #215 of 231
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I dont wanna hear any blame go to Eli

He was the only one on offense to show up yesterday

All of this. We get a 10-0 or 14-0 lead, who knows what could have happened. Oh well. Time to start looking towards the offseason. Welp!!
post #216 of 231
Eli threw darts right at receivers hands and they couldn't catch a thing. Giants dominated the game on both sides of the ball for 27 minutes, and should've had a 14-21 point lead.

Can't be up 6-0 and expect to hold Rodgers down for long, guy is amazing and will make things happen. Special teams was a strong point this year, not yesterday.

They never recovered from the hail mary, should've never come down to that play. Packers were lucky the play prior was incomplete, half would've ended if caught.
post #217 of 231
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Originally Posted by Mez 0ne View Post

Eli threw darts right at receivers hands and they couldn't catch a thing. Giants dominated the game on both sides of the ball for 27 minutes, and should've had a 14-21 point lead.

Can't be up 6-0 and expect to hold Rodgers down for long, guy is amazing and will make things happen. Special teams was a strong point this year, not yesterday.

They never recovered from the hail mary, should've never come down to that play. Packers were lucky the play prior was incomplete, half would've ended if caught.

I agree to an extent about Eli.

On the missed td pass in the first quarter, He unnecessarily threw to Odells outside shoulder, leading him to the sideline. Why? Odell was 1 on 1 with the corner.

He overthrew Odell on one corner route. GB was in a cover 2, so he should have had that dropped the ball in the open area of the zone. Odell was wide open.
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post #218 of 231
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Knew it would haunt us when they couldn't take advantage and go up 10/14-0. Defense got too tired and kept allowing long completions right up the middle. We need to go oline in the draft.

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post #219 of 231
sucks Eli and the game plan attack was on point first qtr. without drops i think we score at least 13 to as much as 21 - 0. that start would have been amazing for our D. offense let us down, that hail marry didnt help for sure. in addition to that 2nd half the online was back to trash we had drives killed by holding by sacks.

the problem is not just the oline , i highly doubt eli dropped off that much from his 35 TD year last year. run game big drop off. 100 yards a game rushing last year on a 6 win team and 87 this year on a 11 win team. you would think winning more games the run game would be better.
i think play calling was completely different. just look at 1st qtr we were creative we passed like 7 straight downs at one point then we were winning 6-0 and seemed like our game plan changed. what did mcadoo think we were going to win 9-0? how do you run on 3rd 11 with jennings no less?


and wing picked a bad day to have his worst game, OBJ ditto.


offseason
i think we are in good shape cap wise, i'm pretty sure even with all the money we spent we had 15-20 mil in cap space(should have been used on a LT!!!!) 2017 we will have 40 mil in cap space i think 50 if we cut DRC and Cruz

defense got better as the season went on but i doubt they keep everyone.

I think they let hankins go and keep JPP. i think pugh gets a new contract. maybe OBJ? might be a good idea to sign him before AB gets his next contract.

If there is a LT that is above avg they must sign him and move flowers to RT. every single game either he allowed a sack or holding which i'm sure killed 98% of those drives. no LT was graded worse than him in all of football. In addition, Eli got rid of ball quicker this season than any season in his career.

sign LT, draft guard in round 1 or 2 if we cut DRC CB in round 1 or 2. LB/QB later rounds. ohhhhhh and a real TE would be nice. lets tune into pats football and see our boy bennett have a great playoffs frown.gif

players that might be cut AP and Julius Thomas. I can see both wanting to join our team.
post #220 of 231
I think Cruz, Hankins and JPP are all gone. OL needs the most help.

Hankins will be missed. Don't think people realize how much of an impact he made.
post #221 of 231
Hankins isn't worth the money and they don't need him as much as they used to, JPP is an important piece to keep depending on the price.

No way Cruz is here, they didn't even use him on a lot of snaps in the second half.
post #222 of 231
yea cruz is not needed we need to put a burner on the other side. Lewis/King are great finds. whoever is finding these WRs needs to get a bonus. the guy finding oline help needs to be fired. and if same guy he needs to leave the picking oline guys to someone else

a QB to keep an eye out for Jerod evans. looks like he is in the draft after only 1 season as QB good be a steal.
Edited by Air273 - 1/10/17 at 4:42pm
post #223 of 231
cruz jennings cut, saving 10 mil in cap.


FA target: Andrew Whitworth LT highly graded, however 35. get him upgrade right away and hopefully flowers to RT would be upgrade. No tackle combo allowed more pressures than the giants tackles. None

resign JPP not many guys with his talent.

new deals
Pugh
richburg


what do we do about kicker? dont like Gould

draft: guard, TE, CB, DT, QB 3 of those rookies could start right away or early


giants window is next 3 years. they spent a lot last offseason but could have spent more, they went into season with 12 mil in cap space. they better spend all that money

just heard giants only have 2 players under contract age 30+
Edited by Air273 - 2/13/17 at 6:45pm
post #224 of 231
not happy with signing of Marshall. addressing a strength with the little cap we have. signing a LT moving flowers to guard or RT and bring back newhouse to be backup tackle would be ideal. i think drafting a guard in round 2 and having them compete with hart would be good to replace jerry.


did we sign a fullback to 4 years 18M?!?!?!?!? WOW

I mean what is it? the giants had offense mostly of 3 WR sets. which means no fullback and only 1 TE so what does this mean. it means we gave a guy a contract that will be on the field on goalline runs, 3rd/4th and short. crazy........it would have made more sense if we became a iform team and bring in AP but we are a 3WR set team. i'm lost
Edited by Air273 - 3/9/17 at 5:27pm
post #225 of 231
I don't see any scenario in which adding a player like Marshall hurts the team. Cruz was good for 1-2 plays a game at most and they needed a veteran receiver out there to make the offense better. It was a cheap 2 year deal and he's a proven player. The WR core is much improved with this addition.

Fuller is a FB/TE who is dedicated to blocking which was a a huge glaring hole last year. The offense needs balance on the ground, so this probably spells the end of Will Johnson and they will draft a receiving TE.

Giants will draft the way they normally do, best available talent first round and probably OL/TE/RB later on.

If there is one thing Reese has been good at all these years, it's avoiding cap hell
post #226 of 231
^^i disagree, cruz was a non factor because the QB on avg got rid of the ball quicker than most QBs in the league and his 1st and 2nd option was not cruz on most plays. can't wait to see how this head case reacts to being 3rd option on this team

the offense was top 10 in 15 eli threw 35 TDs. ruben randel was the number 2 WR on that team. and 16 season where was randel? out the league due to sucking.


it wouldnt shock me one bit if cruz has a better season than Marshall this season. watch cruz team up with romo in houston and have a better season....


the team choose signing 2 players with money that they could and should have been used for oline help. instead we will be back to getting guys off scrap heap. ie talents like newhouse and jerry.
post #227 of 231
It's not as simple as just getting rid of the ball quicker, Cruz is clearly not the same player that he was and was also playing out of position on the outside where he could not break free most of the time, he doesn't have that same burst

There aren't great O-line options in free agency and the average ones are EXPENSIVE, quality ones can be had in the second/third round of the draft.
post #228 of 231
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post #229 of 231
Giants right now have the most depth they've had in a while with their OL, but there is still work to be done. Still need to look to the draft as OL being priority, TE, LB, RB, DT/DE.

They're a playoff team, but they could use another good draft to make them a serious contending one.
post #230 of 231
^bodies at OL yes, wrong bodies double true, i believe

as of today looks like Flowers, pugh, richburg, jerry, with Fluker and hart fighting for RT and the other would be the backup tackle? yikes. hart got the starting RT job due to injury and lost it due to suckyness. Fluker was a draft bust and was cut. Jerry improved for sure but his game is weak in run blocking as is hart and fluker. how can our running game improve? oh we gave 8 million guaranteed to a FB/TE who likely won't play in more than 25% of plays on offense.

Giants could have signed Whitworth to play LT moved flowers to RT and had hart and a rookie 2nd or 3rd round guard fight for a spot on line. I know whitworth is older, he has been above avg LT for years now, only risk is injury. he would have been a instant upgrade at LT and made the entire unit stronger. instead of hart starting at RT he could be the backup RT and flowers back up LT. thats talent + depth. hope i'm proven wrong, need flowers to make a big jump in year 3.

great move in extending JPP. why so late? we could have been players in FA to get a guy like whitworth. Hope they spend this money and not go into season with 10+M in cap room again.

I know Reese has been smart with cap, we have never been in trouble. but we are close and the window is closing. our QB has 3 years left at a high number. now is the time to get into cap trouble for future years as once eli is gone his replacement likely will be 80% less.

sign hankins, draft a TE/LB in 1st 2 rounds and lets hope we have the same luck as past season with injuries.


i dont mind the Geno signing but i hope the giants draft someone in later rounds to be 3rd QB


oh and Tunsil was rated very highly at guard from what i read 2nd half of season and is moving to LT. i'm going to bet his 1st season at LT will be better than flowers 3rd season at LT

Do they think Odell is going to be our kicker?! guess they are looking for a rookie kicker....
Edited by Air273 - 3/17/17 at 7:45pm
post #231 of 231
who are we drafting?!
I would like tackle or Watt. 2nd round TE
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