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Here's Frank using the "I have gay friends and relatives, I CAN'T be homophobic" line:
Charlize Theron dressing her black adopted son in a blonde wig and dress...Vol...fam..
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I'm not gonna call you a bigot unless you say something that would otherwise suggest you are one.
Like I can call Donald Trump a bigot because of his views of minorities.
See how that works?
Like I can call Donald Trump a bigot because of his views of minorities.
See how that works?
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it's not against mother nature?
gay people can procreate...?
gay people can procreate...?
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1. You know how many "things" are against mother nature and you singled out gay sex? Would you stop getting head because it's not "natural"? Putting *****, vaginas, ******** in mouths aren't very "natural"
2. If you're fertile, then yes. Surprise - gay people can have kids too! Via surrogates and adoption. Would you love those kids any less because it's not "natural"?
3. Would you have this disdain against straight couples who can't conceive?
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LOL I love how people are so concerned about being labeled racists, homophobes and bigots yet continue to post blatantly discriminatory ideas. It's the sexuality ignorance equivalence of why people who pretend racism doesn't exist.
Why you gotta call me a racist? You're racist for always bringing up racism.....proceeds to vote for Trump.
If you don't wanna be labeled a homophobe, how about you try not being one.
Don't think these cats spewing this hatred can conceive logical, well-reasoned arguments
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That Bernie Mac episode where Bernie bought Jordan a bunch of footballs, tools, and showed him some violent video games was on earlier, but him and his friend were learning how to tie some pink rope instead. Made me think of this thread
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What viewpoint did I dismiss? Seems like thats what you are doing, amidst namecalling to boot.
How exactly is any of this homophobic or bigoted? What are you on man? lol
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I was being sarcastic actually. I do think people are born heterosexual and turn homosexual. NT doesn't seem to want to entertain that thought though. Hence the sarcasm. Right or wrong in the scenario is subjective I guess. Thats probably a separate conversation. Suffice it to say that I am fully in agreement that peoples sexual preference can be and is influenced by their environment in some cases. But when we have threads about particular cartoons, commercials, tv shows ect... influencing preference we'll have the same clowns in here namecalling, yelling at the top of their lungs that no one or no thing can "make your child gay".
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We should all care about all human beings regardless of color, preference, religion ect... Most people pick and choose who and what they care about, you especially. At best theres levels to peoples caring = bias imo. Someone make a thread about Christianity and see how tolerant and caring Aton is
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Trauma doesn't make a person gay. Fact.
TV shows don't make a person gay. Fact.
Commercials don't make a person gay. Fact.
You are viewing "inclusion of gays" as a destruction of heteronormativity. This is NOT the case.
It's the same thing with minorities and inclusion in the workplace. You go all Fox News and twist it into a "we're the REAL victims" scenario.
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So environment doesn't influence sexual preference is what your saying?
Can trauma create criminal behavior?
Can TV shows create popular culture/personality?
Can commercials create buying habits?
Why not sexual preference? You a psychologist? Where are you getting your "facts" from lol.
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I do agree some people are born gay, but I also believe people can be born straight and then turn gaywrong. you have to be born gay. you could be born to an all gay family with gay older siblings and that has no bearing on your sexual preference.
So you're saying she was born lesbian or bisexual and not straight? So you believe someone can't be born straight and then turn lesbian? Most people are conditioned that a relationship is male and female, and not male/male or female/female. But I personally believe her exposure to her female/female parent relationship opened her up to a new idea of what is right vs wrong, or in this case what isn't wrong, which is same sex couples being allowed. I think she developed an appreciation for that female/female relationship which was raising her, so she tried it out, then ultimately decided to go down that path.
its mother nature...there are gay animals b.
5. Secretly, you already know that people’s sexual desires are shaped by their social and cultural context. Lots of adults worry that if we allow little boys to wear princess dresses and paint their nails with polish, they might later be more inclined to be gay. Even some liberal parents (including gay and lesbian parents) worry that if they introduce their child to “too much” in the way of queer material, this could be a way of “pushing” homosexuality on them. Similarly, many people worry that if young women are introduced to feminism in college, and if they become too angry or independent, they may just decide to be lesbians.
https://socialinqueery.com/2013/03/18/no-one-is-born-gay-or-straight-here-are-5-reasons-why/
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LOL I love how people are so concerned about being labeled racists, homophobes and bigots yet continue to post blatantly discriminatory ideas. It's the sexuality ignorance equivalence of why people who pretend racism doesn't exist.
Why you gotta call me a racist? You're racist for always bringing up racism.....proceeds to vote for Trump.
If you don't wanna be labeled a homophobe, how about you try not being one.
#TolerateMyIntolerance
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So if I think this is wack, then I'm hateful?
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I don't think you realize that people are critical of Christianity based off of the inherent intolerance of its doctrine. It's a belief system that demonizes homosexuals, subjugates women, and propagates bits of morality that can be achieved by purely secular means, yet credits it to an entity with no evidence of being real.We should all care about all human beings regardless of color, preference, religion ect... Most people pick and choose who and what they care about, you especially. At best theres levels to peoples caring = bias imo. Someone make a thread about Christianity and see how tolerant and caring Aton is
Race, biological sex, and sexual preference aren't choices. The way you think most certainly is. You're making a piss-poor comparison.
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You of all people should know not to fall into #NTextremes.
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Can't argue with this
We should all care about all human beings regardless of color, preference, religion ect... Most people pick and choose who and what they care about, you especially. At best theres levels to peoples caring = bias imo. Someone make a thread about Christianity and see how tolerant and caring Anton is
but can't argue with this either
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Because they're all different things with different complexities?
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It's a **** show now.
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Lionblood, you're condescendingly using concepts of inclusive fitness/kin selection in other species and applying it to humans (who face completely different challenges than those species) in a way that can very easily be argued against. I'm not saying you're wrong though.
I constantly view selection of different traits in terms of group fitness, even things such as stupidity and how certain types of people gravitate toward certain other types to pump out more of a specific type of member of society is an idea I hypothesize can be a genetic adaptation of our species. So I'm open to thinking in these ways.
But those points you made have glaring weaknesses. Specifically that in science, fitness is considered passing of one's genes/alleles and you're bringing up examples where siblings that might engage in homosexual behavior tend to the children of their siblings. But this doesn't occur in humans. Homosexuals don't tend to their nephews and nieces while alphas have a harem. Adoption of children by homosexual couples can't be proven to be a trait that's been selected for (if that's the case for an evolutionary advantage of homosexuality in humans,) because biological evolution happens over the course of many generations. So I don't see where homosexuality comes into play for group fitness or kin selection.
I constantly view selection of different traits in terms of group fitness, even things such as stupidity and how certain types of people gravitate toward certain other types to pump out more of a specific type of member of society is an idea I hypothesize can be a genetic adaptation of our species. So I'm open to thinking in these ways.
But those points you made have glaring weaknesses. Specifically that in science, fitness is considered passing of one's genes/alleles and you're bringing up examples where siblings that might engage in homosexual behavior tend to the children of their siblings. But this doesn't occur in humans. Homosexuals don't tend to their nephews and nieces while alphas have a harem. Adoption of children by homosexual couples can't be proven to be a trait that's been selected for (if that's the case for an evolutionary advantage of homosexuality in humans,) because biological evolution happens over the course of many generations. So I don't see where homosexuality comes into play for group fitness or kin selection.
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This is like saying islam is a religion of violence. Christianity being inherently intolerant is false, its actually the opposite. People use it for all sorts of political and personal agendas, I'm aware. Thats people, not the religion. If they were true christians they would love all as jesus said.
As far as sexual preference being a choice or not, thats just like, your opinion, or whatever man. Did you read the article above?
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Thats fine, im not gonna tell you ur wrong, cause i honestly dont know. I just find it strange that we know, for actual fact, that those things above influence all sorts of human behaviors, yet for some reason they are incapable in any and every instance from influencing sexual preference. Doesnt seem logical to assume that its impossible. Especially when we know, psychologically, factually, how advertising, movies, music, various forms of propaganda ect... can and do influence a large part of everything we do.
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Fair enough
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Ah yes, the "no true Scotsman" logical fallacy.
Notice how I mentioned the doctrine rather than the individuals that associate with the religion. Islam is neither a religion of violence nor a religion of peace. It's just a religion. It's subject to the same criticisms that Christianity is subject to. Are all Christians and Muslims homophobic or misogyinistic? Of course not, but their doctrines are riddled with themes of both.
And as far as sexual preference being a choice, care to tell us when you decided to be a heterosexual?
As a heterosexual, I can say with confidence that there was no choice involved with my outcome. No thought, no introspection, no deliberation, no nothing. I saw ******* and mass and I had an instinctual attraction. Did you have to sit and think about what's attractive to you?
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i leave the thread for 12 hours and its a religious debate
