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No it really doesn't. It gives broad suggestions, many times very vague on how to accomplish it.

People need to acting like "we need to set up our on economic base" and "we need our own political party" are will be a panacea or even exploring those things and voting are mutually exclusive.

It doesn't have to be one or the other, and people like Tariq that pedal that nonsense are doing his viewers a disservice.

Matter of fact, if you follow politics, you will see he spreads a lot of misinformation and half truths. Just to prop up his argument.

He outchea telling his people not to vote, and but making podcast about Trump. He looks stupid doing this. Watch how much of his content is gonna be about Trump now.

Trump could have easily been stopped by voters. It was not some grand unstoppable white conspiracy to get him elected.


If you don't think these are real solutions than we have nothing to talk about.



He broke the game perfect but no some people wanna keep begging for love and acceptance to people who hate you.
 
so is it oochie wally or one mic?

either trump got support of all white people or hilary didnt get enough white women

aint that saying the same thing?

or maybe if so many latinos and asians didnt vote trump

but nah lets just blame black people for not saving the day

-You're not listening to the discussion taking place, you pick and choosing things to be upset about. No one is exclusively blame black people for Trump winning.

Secondly, you might need to brush up on voting trends to follow the discussion.

White people voted like they usually do. Trump did around the same with white people as Romney did.

Hillary was expected to steal white women votes from Trump, that didn't happen. For a couple reasons.

Hillary was suppose to have multiple paths to the presidency, they all fell. So discussing voter turnout, and demographic voting trends are not mutually exclusive arguments to make.

At the end of the day, if the people that wanted Trump stopped, which included people all kinds of backgrounds showed up, he would have lost in a landslide.

People stayed home, so he took it.

Simple.
 
so is it oochie wally or one mic?

either trump got support of all white people or hilary didnt get enough white women

aint that saying the same thing?

or maybe if so many latinos and asians didnt vote trump

but nah lets just blame black people for not saving the day
 
 White people voted like they usually do. Trump did around the same with white people as Romney did.

Hillary was expected to steal white women votes from Trump, that didn't happen. For a couple reasons.

 
ipso facto the majority voted for trump

condescend to me all you want to, but it doesnt change that fact
 
 
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White people voted like they usually do. Trump did around the same with white people as Romney did.


Hillary was expected to steal white women votes from Trump, that didn't happen. For a couple reasons.


 

ipso facto the majority voted for trump

condescend to me all you want to, but it doesnt change that fact
Not really. She might likely end up with the popular vote. Trump got who he was supposed to get. Hilary people didn't vote at all or went third party. The majority doesn't really mean that much with the electoral college

Hillary should've won PA,OH,WI, &MI. Those are states Obama won in 2012. Trump got less Votes than 2012 Obama in those states. So those people didn't just switch sides and overwhelmingly vote against Hillary
 
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the majority of white people

its white people in those swing states voting for trump

minority votes dont matter when theyre not where they need to be

like you said the electoral college was given to trump white voters in those areas
 
Not really. She might likely end up with the popular vote. Trump got who he was supposed to get. Hilary people didn't vote at all or went third party. The majority doesn't really mean that much with the electoral college

Hillary should've won PA,OH,WI, &MI. Those are states Obama won in 2012. Trump got less Votes than 2012 Obama in those states. So those people didn't just switch sides and overwhelmingly vote against Hillary

Don't let Fax get in the way of a narrative.
 
No it really doesn't. It gives broad suggestions, many times very vague on how to accomplish it.

People need to acting like "we need to set up our on economic base" and "we need our own political party" are will be a panacea or even exploring those things and voting are mutually exclusive.

It doesn't have to be one or the other, and people like Tariq that pedal that nonsense are doing his viewers a disservice.

Matter of fact, if you follow politics, you will see he spreads a lot of misinformation and half truths. Just to prop up his argument.

He outchea telling his people not to vote, and but making podcast about Trump. He looks stupid doing this. Watch how much of his content is gonna be about Trump now.

Trump could have easily been stopped by voters. It was not some grand unstoppable white conspiracy to get him elected.


If you don't think these are real solutions than we have nothing to talk about.



He broke the game perfect but no some people wanna keep begging for love and acceptance to people who hate you.


You see the same what I'm talking about.

You want people to be off your back for not voting, but you routinely be on some anyone that doesn't agree with you must be looking for acceptance from white people.

Who here right now is begging for acceptance. Me? Someone else in here?

And you once again just dismiss what I write to talk past me. I said they were vague, and that both can be done at the same time.

Black people can focus on build out small business (I even in a previous post explain how this takes a step back with Trump), and be involved political process AT THE SAME TIME.

No one is pushing voting as a cure all. You need to get that strawman out of your head famb.

-------Lemme make this point for you to see the picture.

You talk about mass incarceration, and how the Clinton did it. But I like to point out , Tough on Crime polciies had a wide range of support, sadly including many in the black community.

The difference is that the black community and black leader wanted guard against black men being targeted ( heard the dog whistles) and wanted rehabilitation programs along with the Tough on Crime policies.

They fought to get it, they gained some traction, but gave up on that fight because Midterm were coming and the Republican looked like they were gonna take over Congress (which they did) and promising more draconian criminal justice bill than what the Dems.

Out of fear of something worst, black leaders in Congress relented.

And you know why the GOP was gonna take over, because liberal especially black people don't vote in Midterms like white conservatives do. So when the biggest piece of legislation that has affect the black community was being discussed, and probably been made not as disastrous (and famb, no one truly knew how bad it would get), liberal and black Congressmen couldn't even depend on their base to show up.

You don't think that is sad. That laws was passed partly because our community was apathetic about voting.

-Furthermore, what was also lost in the 1994 midterm was universal healthcare. Headed by the woman that just lost the a couple days ago.

"Hillarycare" could have been one of the biggest wealth transfer systems in favor of poor blacks in America's history. Just because the healthcare system before the ACA was soooooo ****** up towards poor blacks. And upper middle class whites and business would bare the cost of funding the program.

And that died too because liberals won't show up in midterms

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So yes, I support building an economic base has a fire wall for the black community, but I know how complex that will be and how long it would take.

And I also know how much being political awake can help too.

Both can be done at the same time. And there are consequences to people not voting. Our new president elect is another example of that
 
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White people voted like they usually do. Trump did around the same with white people as Romney did.


Hillary was expected to steal white women votes from Trump, that didn't happen. For a couple reasons.


 

ipso facto the majority voted for trump

condescend to me all you want to, but it doesnt change that fact

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Too many SMART-DUMB ****** that think ignoring or not participating in the "system" that we ALL face day in and day out is somehow going to help. Any black person that doesn't vote makes a white supremacist job easier to do. Dudes just rolling over and playing dead hoping they won't get effected....on that "if they don't see me maybe they won't bother me" mindset.
 
So Rusty, some of the black community fought for tough penalties on nonviolent crimes and it had a immediate, devastating impact right but when black people want some real **** for us to get outta this hole it's "well let's just keep voting and wishing and one day we'll get there". And Bill used that **** as an excuse for him and his people ruining black families across the country but when we ask for something to HELP us they act like it's impossible to do. But we supposed to vote for his wife outta fear? **** outta here Clinton's.



And y'all keep saying we have to vote to change the system right? Change from within right? In order to do that the people that hate you have to let you in. They run the system. If they don't want you, you won't change **** no matter how much you vote. Hilary ain't ****, Trump definitely ain't ****.


I know I ain't got answers sway but this system ain't for us. What do y'all think MLK meant when he said he feared he integrated his people into a burning house. We in the burning house tryna spit on the fire. "but if we keep spitting one day that fire we'll be out.
 
Man don't be bringing up MLK to justify that nonsense you spewing. At that point we weren't part of the system at all, we were on the outside looking in and had no influence. There's at least opportunity there now, but you'd rather not even use that mechanism. Nobody in here has once stated voting is going to fix everything nor even what you're advocating as far as community empowerment is wrong. It's just we realize they have to work in concert, whether you or I like it or not we HAVE to live in this system, but it doesn't have to work actively against us to the degree which it has in the past. But you have to actually be involved and engaged to do so, how are you ever going to score points needed to win if you never actually get in the game. Use your head fam. You are literally doing their work for them, they don't want you to get involved.
 
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When people vote on a consistent basis politicians are more likely to fear and respect your wrath if they know they face consequences for screwing you over.
 
the majority of white people

its white people in those swing states voting for trump

minority votes dont matter when theyre not where they need to be

like you said the electoral college was given to trump white voters in those areas

Wrong, Trump won some of those swing states by less than 2%. Minorities voting in places like Michigan and Florida like they did in 2012 or 2008 would have prevented Trump from winning. Same with Pennsylvania
 
Too many SMART-DUMB ****** that think ignoring or not participating in the "system" that we ALL face day in and day out is somehow going to help. Any black person that doesn't vote makes a white supremacist job easier to do. Dudes just rolling over and playing dead hoping they won't get effected....on that "if they don't see me maybe they won't bother me" mindset.

Too many smart dumb ****** thinking participating is the direct solution too though. White supremacists job is always easy, that's why they been flourishing for 600 years with no sign of slowing down.

Its don't participate and hope you aren't effected, or participate and hope you eventually stop being effected in your lifetime or your kids lifetime.

The problem is very obviously bigger than participation when it comes to blacks in America. The system itself isn't set up for us to participate and change. I believe in participation helping somewhat, small victories are important, but that's not the big solution IMO. I think withdrawal from the system is the best bet but it would take possibly decades to implement a proper solution for black Americans in a way that we can flourish as a whole.

So in the mean time I guess it's vote and hope until enough people are ready to come up with a new and unified plan of operation.
 
Man don't be bringing up MLK to justify that nonsense you spewing. At that point we weren't part of the system at all, we were on the outside looking in and had no influence. There's at least opportunity there now, but you'd rather not even use that mechanism. Nobody in here has once stated voting is going to fix everything nor even what you're advocating as far as community empowerment is wrong. It's just we realize they have to work in concert, whether you or I like it or not we HAVE to live in this system, but it doesn't have to work actively against us to the degree which it has in the past. But you have to actually be involved and engaged to do so, how are you ever going to score points needed to win if you never actually get in the game. Use your head fam. You are literally doing their work for them, they don't want you to get involved.

And they know you being "involved" ain't changing ****.
 
Man don't be bringing up MLK to justify that nonsense you spewing. At that point we weren't part of the system at all, we were on the outside looking in and had no influence. There's at least opportunity there now, but you'd rather not even use that mechanism. Nobody in here has once stated voting is going to fix everything nor even what you're advocating as far as community empowerment is wrong. It's just we realize they have to work in concert, whether you or I like it or not we HAVE to live in this system, but it doesn't have to work actively against us to the degree which it has in the past. But you have to actually be involved and engaged to do so, how are you ever going to score points needed to win if you never actually get in the game. Use your head fam. You are literally doing their work for them, they don't want you to get involved.

And they know you being "involved" ain't changing ****.

If THEY know us being "involved" ain't changing ****, why are THEY trying to suppress our vote if it truly doesn't mean nothing??
 
dont say minorities, say what you mean, black people

~2% still means more whites/latinos/asians voted trump in regardless of who didnt vote

its easy to place the blame at the feet of black people when other ppl/races are supporting this dude with votes
 
 
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dont say minorities, say what you mean, black people

~2% still means more whites/latinos/asians voted trump in regardless of who didnt vote

its easy to place the blame at the feet of black people when other ppl/races are supporting this dude with votes
If those people were registered republicans they weren't going to vote for Hillary anyway. Trump did great with republicans. He didn't convert massive amounts of Dems Fromm hillary.
 
dont say minorities, say what you mean, black people

~2% still means more whites/latinos/asians voted trump in regardless of who didnt vote

its easy to place the blame at the feet of black people when other ppl/races are supporting this dude with votes

More black men voted for Drumpf this time than they did Romney though, we all hold accountability for what happened. Again y'all keep throwing out assertions that I myself haven't seen. Who is blaming black people exclusively for Hillary not winning?
 
 
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dont say minorities, say what you mean, black people

~2% still means more whites/latinos/asians voted trump in regardless of who didnt vote

its easy to place the blame at the feet of black people when other ppl/races are supporting this dude with votes

2% with less votes than Romney got in 2012 and 1 million less than Mccain in 2008. What the **** are you talking about regardless of who didn't vote? The literal difference between this election and the last one is people didn't vote, specifically minorities. And yes I meant minorities, I as a black man myself don't benefit from singling out black voters
 
More black men voted for Drumpf this time than they did Romney though, we all hold accountability for what happened. Again y'all keep throwing out assertions that I myself haven't seen. Who is blaming black people exclusively for Hillary not winning?

The media is blaming us. I know no one in here is blaming Black people. Samantha Bee was on point about this. Clinton got 88% of the Black vote. The numbers Obama got in 08 and 12 were historic and dems were banking on that level of support which wasn't smart.
 
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