~NEW. Houston. TEXANS. Preseason Thread 2017~ Pats @ NRG

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[Peep Game]

 
I swear to god, if Brock is the starter next year 

I didn't really expect to win this game, but its so sad to see just how winnable this game was. If you just have average QB play, this defense is good enough to win a super bowl :x  

edit: This defense with a healthy Watt next year 

The future is damn bright, just get some offensive linemen and a QB 

Not even a Texans fan but that was just...

The throws he could've/should've made down the stretch. 

...and the drop by Fuller  :x  

And this has been all season. He should not be the starter heading into next season. Any improvement he could possibly make would only be marginal, and based on the awful level he's at right now, it would not matter. He is not a starting NFL QB.

 

[Peep Game]

http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/...land-patriots-tom-brady-worst-signings-011517

Agree with every bit of this article except solely rolling with Savage next season. On mechanics and decision making alone, you can NOT have Brock starting next season.

 

[deandre hopkins]

McNair / Smith better get their heads out of their ***** and let Bob run his team.

 

[statis22]

Let BOB run the team for what?

 

[Peep Game]

Let BOB run the team for what?

Well, it's been pretty clear he doesn't make many personal decisions. Other than him rolling with Savage after Brock was starting to have a meltdown (and unfortunately bringing Godsey over), McNair/Smith are the ones who make all the decisions. They make money decisions instead of winning decisions. A lot of people keep saying Smith Smith Smith, but him and McNair are tied at the hip, and are a package deal. They are the same person.

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Bouye is a priority obviously. Demps/Jones/Grimes could be kept for cheap. Oday was one of the better guys on the line this year. Lechler has basically been a Texans MVP since he's been here. Everybody else could be replaced for various reasons, whether due to age, or simply not performing up to par.

 

[statis22]

What has O'Brien shown that he should be given more organizational power?

Y'all like our musical chair QB situation the way it's been the last 3 years under him?

 

[Peep Game]

What has O'Brien shown that he should be given more organizational power?

Y'all like our musical chair QB situation the way it's been the last 3 years under him?

What has Smith/McNair shown that he shouldn't have any say so? You like having a completely useless QB that Smith/McNair had a major hand in bringing in continuing to be the starter?

 

[statis22]

Not at all. I was saying Brock should've been been benched after the Minnesota game week 5.

BOB is supposed to be an offensive guy yet a season after leaving Denver Brock is a worse QB now than last year. At least Kubiak knew when to pull that plug when something substantial was on the line.

For all we know Savage was a full go Saturday night yet O'Brien went with a guy who knew gave his team no chance in winning that game.

And we should give him more power?

 

[Peep Game]

Not at all. I was saying Brock should've been been benched after the Minnesota game week 5.

BOB is supposed to be an offensive guy yet a season after leaving Denver Brock is a worse QB now than last year. At least Kubiak knew when to pull that plug when something substantial was on the line.

For all we know Savage was a full go Saturday night yet O'Brien went with a guy who knew gave his team no chance in winning that game.

And we should give him more power?

I'll give you a bit of that, but as far as Brock starting vs the Pats, well, he rolled with with the guy who had just the week before, and not coming off a concussion. I don't really know how you put Savage in vs the Pats after that, when he also wasn't looking very good in the Titans game before he was concussed, even if a lot of us were wanting him to go back to Savage. Also, are we really sure Brock is a worse QB now than last year? He played 8 games for Denver and 17 with us including the playoffs. He made the same good and bad throws and decisions last year as he did this year. It just appeared minimized last year cause he wasn't anointed the starter and didn't have a $72 million contract attached to his name. Smith/McNair hamstrung him with a QB that's worse than any of the previous ones he had. No one will be successful with those types of decisions from management, who clearly are bad at evaluating talent, specifically QBs.

 

[statis22]

I'd argue BOB doesn't know who to evaluate talent.

When I said those people who run the Texans have no idea what they're doing a while back I include Bill O'Brien in that discussion as well.

 

[HTownsOwn84]

Godsey is gone. We're already heading in the right direction



That's a start!!
Rick Smith
George Godsey[emoji]10004[/emoji]
Brock Osweiler
Larry Izzo

 

[deandre hopkins]

the 2014 Season (Bobs 1st)

Fitz

Keenum

Mallet

we're a combined 3,300 Yards / 21 TDs / 12 Ints / 59% comp / 78.4 QBR

2015 Season (Bobs 2nd)

Hoyer

Mallet

Yates

Weeden

we're a combined 4,050 yards / 28 TDs / 12 Ints / 56% comp / 85.7 QBR

2016 Season (Bobs 3rd)

Brock

Savage

we're a combined 3,400 Yards / 15 TDs / 16 Ints / 61% comp / 76.5 QBR (savage threw 0 TDS / 0 INTS)

Not sure how you can sit there and say thats Bobs fault, a QB by all accounts wasnt his choice was worst then 7 journey men / back up QBs COMBINED. 

 its been none for years that Mcnair and Smith are buddy buddy and thats one of the reason Smith wasnt canned when Kubes was canned.

NOW, ill give Smith credit, he has had some hits with UDFA and FA signings not to mention his first round picks.

Since the Jets took the teams director of college scouting the last 2 drafts have provided results.

so MAYBE Smith is on the right track now.

but to blame Bob when dude is winning games / divisons with trash at the most important position on the field is

How could he get results with 7 other QBs and Not Brock and it be his fault? or we dont see brock missing wide open players all game and throwing atrocious balls and picks.

BOB is supposed to be an offensive guy yet a season after leaving Denver Brock is a worse QB now than last year. At least Kubiak knew when to pull that plug when something substantial was on the line.

really? cause kubes was troting Schaub out there week after week when dude was starting the game with pick 6s / back to back ints. 

 

[deandre hopkins]

some perspective:

2014 NFL Draft (Last draft before dude left to the Jets)

Clowney (turning into a stud)

Sua-Filo (struggled)

Fedora (Solid)

Nix III (Injury / 1st rounder talent that slipped)

Savage

Pagan

Blue (STer)

Prosch (Solid / Starting FB)

Hal (contributes)

Ballentine (always hurt)

2015 Draft (Director of college scouting leaves to jets who have a trash draft btw)

Johnson (not marcus but alot of teams missed on Peters as well)

McKinney 

Strong (hurt)

Mumphery (Meh)

Cliett (Meh)

Covington (solid rotation guy / 6th rounder)

Hillard (Meh)

2016 draft (first full draft removed)

Fuller (started on fire / got hurt / trash QB play calling)

Martin (Hurt)

Miller (hurt)

Ervin (meh)

Dillon (Hurt)

Reader (Looking like a steal / 5th rounder )

 

[statis22]

the 2014 Season (Bobs 1st)

Fitz
Keenum
Mallet

we're a combined 3,300 Yards / 21 TDs / 12 Ints / 59% comp / 78.4 QBR

2015 Season (Bobs 2nd)

Hoyer
Mallet
Yates
Weeden

we're a combined 4,050 yards / 28 TDs / 12 Ints / 56% comp / 85.7 QBR

2016 Season (Bobs 3rd)

Brock
Savage

we're a combined 3,400 Yards / 15 TDs / 16 Ints / 61% comp / 76.5 QBR (savage threw 0 TDS / 0 INTS)

Not sure how you can sit there and say thats Bobs fault, a QB by all accounts wasnt his choice was worst then 7 journey men / back up QBs COMBINED. 

 its been none for years that Mcnair and Smith are buddy buddy and thats one of the reason Smith wasnt canned when Kubes was canned.

NOW, ill give Smith credit, he has had some hits with UDFA and FA signings not to mention his first round picks.


Since the Jets took the teams director of college scouting the last 2 drafts have provided results.

so MAYBE Smith is on the right track now.


but to blame Bob when dude is winning games / divisons with trash at the most important position on the field is

How could he get results with 7 other QBs and Not Brock and it be his fault? or we dont see brock missing wide open players all game and throwing atrocious balls and picks.

BOB is supposed to be an offensive guy yet a season after leaving Denver Brock is a worse QB now than last year. At least Kubiak knew when to pull that plug when something substantial was on the line.

really? cause kubes was troting Schaub out there week after week when dude was starting the game with pick 6s / back to back ints. 

Kubiak went back to Schaub and he was fired the very next day.

If winning a weak division is cool win you then fine but I'm not impressed. If winning a playoff game by beating a team whose on their 3rd string guy making his 1st start impresses you then cool. If you want to give BOB props for Hoyer who tanked just as worse as Brock did last year then fine.


Some of y'all want BOB to have more organizational power and I ask based on what? What has he accomplished to receive more responsibility with a offense that's gotten worse & worse every year he's been here?

Everything should be thrown at the feet of Smith & McNair? If that's the case then he should be making a leverage play for another job or quit altogether if this organization is that toxic.

 

[Peep Game]

I'd argue BOB doesn't know who to evaluate talent.

When I said those people who run the Texans have no idea what they're doing a while back I include Bill O'Brien in that discussion as well.

How do we know he doesn't? This is pretty much just speculation, as his hands aren't on much. We know for a fact what McNair/Smith do and it's been that way for years.

 

[deandre hopkins]

I'm not saying fire Smith and give bob the keys ala Hoody.

All I'm saying is we've seen this issue long before Bob got the job, and him winning win what he has is impressive to an extent.

We all want a Super bowl.

But to blame bob isn't fair.

Romo for a 4th? Who's down?

 

[jewbacca2]

I have a hard time trashing BOB. No coach would be successful with Brock as the QB

the play calling is also effected by Brock being garbage

The front office personnel moves by whoever is making them honestly aren't that bad as a whole, because you're an average QB away from being a legit super bowl contender

The glass is more half full than half empty, just gotta find someway to get a real QB in here.

 

[statis22]

I'd argue BOB doesn't know who to evaluate talent.

When I said those people who run the Texans have no idea what they're doing a while back I include Bill O'Brien in that discussion as well.

How do we know he doesn't? This is pretty much just speculation, as his hands aren't on much. We know for a fact what McNair/Smith do and it's been that way for years.

Well....we're about to go into year 4 of his era and we still have the worst QB situation in the league. Brock regressed hard And we still have no idea what we have in Savage.

And we just fired our OC.


Those are points that's directly tied to O'Brien and we have no idea which direction that's going to go going forward.

 

[jewbacca2]

Well....we're about to go into year 4 of his era and we still have the worst QB situation in the league. Brock regressed hard And we still have no idea what we have in Savage.

And we just fired our OC.


Those are points that's directly tied to O'Brien and we have no idea which direction that's going to go going forward.

i mean what were we supposed to do? good QBs just don't grow on trees 

They gambled on signing Brock so they wouldnt lose draft picks trading for a QB. It was a good move on paper, just played out poorly because Brock sucks. I don't think anyone could have seen Brock being this bad lol 

Edit> Money is way easier to recover from than giving away multiple high draft picks

 

[Peep Game]

A LOT of people did see that Brock was actually that bad Never imagined it would be this bad though. He has brutal mechanics and makes terrible decisions, no coach can fix that. And yes, we did just fire the offensive coordinator. Good riddance. He was a big part of the problem, but no offensive coordinator is fixing Brock. It's the same thing with Dwight's post moves, to where you can teach him 100 times, but in the field of play, you go back to your instincts. In this case, Brock's instincts are to panic, scramble, throw it up and pray. I still don't see Brock's regression as if you expand his Bronco's play over 17 games instead of 8, you're basically getting the same guy, a near flatline.

 

[jewbacca2]

At least we just spent money on a bum instead of wasting a first round pick on one

 

[deandre hopkins]

When we signed Brock my expectations were average QB play. That's it.

I didn't expect dude to light the world on fire.

Just manage games, no turnovers.

3.500-4000 yards 20-25 TDs / 10 -12 picks.

Jesus was I wrong.

 

[Peep Game]

When we signed Brock my expectations were average QB play. That's it.

I didn't expect dude to light the world on fire.

Just manage games, no turnovers.

3.500-4000 yards 20-25 TDs / 10 -12 picks.

Jesus was I wrong.

Same here. Simply average QB play. Yet what we got was abysmal QB play. The funny thing is the stats you mentioned (25TDs/12INTs) is Kirk Cousins. Having an extra 10 TDs and 4 less INTs sure would have came in handy for us this season.

 

[deandre hopkins]

Kirk wins us 11-13 games.