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great read. pretty much confirming, citing, and visualizing it all...can't make reads or intermediate throws (DHop's area of expertise), inaccurate underneath/short routes (More Dhop work, or even Fuller)....staring down receivers and still throwing inaccurate. ouch.

and tbh, im weary of praising that throw to Fedora...that safety is a bum, and a better safety could have reached out his hands and INT/DEFL that pass. Hop beat his man up the sideline in 1on1. a savvy QB would have easily froze that safety and put it up for hop. pretty frustrating watchin...out here evolving into a "armchair quarterback" :lol:
 
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I hope Brock throws for 400 yards somehow. Tired of bucktooth Elway acting like his plan was to start Trevor Siemian all along, when they tried to resign Brock, drafted Paxton Lynch, and signed Mark Sanchez all within the same time period.
 
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great read. pretty much confirming, citing, and visualizing it all...can't make reads or intermediate throws (DHop's area of expertise), inaccurate underneath/short routes (More Dhop work, or even Fuller)....staring down receivers and still throwing inaccurate. ouch.

and tbh, im weary of praising that throw to Fedora...that safety is a bum, and a better safety could have reached out his hands and INT/DEFL that pass. Hop beat his man up the sideline in 1on1. a savvy QB would have easily froze that safety and put it up for hop. pretty frustrating watchin...out here evolving into a "armchair quarterback" :lol:

I actually thought that was one of the best throws Brock has made this season. The safety is reading Brock eyes while shading to Hopkins side. It was a tight throw but that what the good ones are paid to do. And trust, those who in this thread who follow me on twitter know I'm no Brock apologist at all.

Idk why BOB is so stubborn with this offense, these teams are running double high safety to take away Hop & Fuller, our tight ends should be lunching. I'll still say so far this season Obrein is failing this team more than Brock is.
 
The safety is reading Brock eyes while shading to Hopkins side.


safe/easy to say because it was a completion, but that's called "baiting". Look at where the DB was when the ball was thrown because that's what actually matters. even the above article alludes to defenses "showing" certain things to confuse Brock. It's a pretty standard tactic in football. its a game of inches though. I dont see how that throw is a good throw considering the DB would have deflected/INT the ball if he stuck his hands out instead of "breaking on the ball" with his helmet/shoulder. You use your shoulder/helmet to hit the defender, not the ball :lol:

it was a somewhat lucky/somewhat skilled (strong arm) throw against a trash secondary imo
 
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The Texans signed veteran safety Don Jones to their 53-man roster following a successful tryout and promoted defensive lineman Brandon Dunn to the active roster from the practice squad.

They placed safety K.J. Dillon on injured reserve along with outside linebacker Brennan Scarlett. Dillon has a torn anterior cruciate ligament.

The Texans auditioned three defensive backs Tuesday, including Jones, a former Miami Dolphins and New England Patriots safety Don Jones. Jones is a former Dolphins seventh-round draft pick.

They also worked out cornerbacks Denzel Rice and Charles Gaines. Gaines played collegiately at Louisville. He was drafted in the sixth round by the Cleveland Browns last year, but didn't make the roster this year. Rice is a 6-0, 196-pound former Coastal Carolina player who was released by the Philadelphia Eagles this year.

Rice is being signed to the practice squad as a replacement for Dunn.

Texans safety Lonnie Ballentine, who tore knee ligaments last season, returned to practice Wednesday. He remains on the physically unable to perform list.
 
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The safety is reading Brock eyes while shading to Hopkins side.


safe/easy to say because it was a completion, but that's called "baiting". Look at where the DB was when the ball was thrown because that's what actually matters. even the above article alludes to defenses "showing" certain things to confuse Brock. It's a pretty standard tactic in football. its a game of inches though. I dont see how that throw is a good throw considering the DB would have deflected/INT the ball if he stuck his hands out instead of "breaking on the ball" with his helmet/shoulder. You use your shoulder/helmet to hit the defender, not the ball :lol:

it was a somewhat lucky/somewhat skilled (strong arm) throw against a trash secondary imo

Because you're saying the better decision would've been to go to Hopkins (albeit our best guy) who was high/low double covered.

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As soon as CJ clears the LB he's open and that's a throw Brock had to make and he made it. Tight throws are a part of the league.
 
Because you're saying the better decision would've been to go to Hopkins (albeit our best guy) who was high/low double covered.

As soon as CJ clears the LB he's open and that's a throw Brock had to make and he made it. Tight throws are a part of the league.


I'm not 100% sure what you're trying to articulate, but if he wants to make that throw inside against an actual good DB, the ball has to be gone while he's winding up/while fedora is juking

he threw it late (for a good DB)...his wind up should have been a pump to fedora and a loft to dhop in single coverage whose man was completely behind him. I'm not sure how Hop would have been double covered in that scenario. literally no one else over there





which im not sure if its mentioned here, but half this dude's problem is a slow, lanky, awkward wind up...in addition to sloppy footwork.
 
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The NFL is literally a game of inches.

He felt comfortable throwing that ball as soon as Fedora came out his break and he saw the LB was turned around a step behind.

He took the "safe throw" over the middle.

Had he thrown it to Nuk and it was thrown out of bounds or something disastrous happened everyone would be wanting to burn him at a stake.

Brock is a average QB, we knew this when he was signed. And we didn't have much options.

Denver game is going to be huge for brock.
 
The NFL is literally a game of inches.

He felt comfortable throwing that ball as soon as Fedora came out his break and he saw the LB was turned around a step behind.

He took the "safe throw" over the middle.

Had he thrown it to Nuk and it was thrown out of bounds or something disastrous happened everyone would be wanting to burn him at a stake.

Brock is a average QB, we knew this when he was signed. And we didn't have much options.

Denver game is going to be huge for brock.

The responses about that throw are skating around/completely ignoring the fact that the DB was there to break up the pass :lol:

I'm only hearing that it was a good throw because it was a completion :lol:

the route/look were safe, but not with that late throw. the only way the ball is intercepted with Dhopkins a full stride ahead of his man with no coverage over the top is if Brock throws a low, bullet. He's below average but a fly route is simple with D Hop's catch radius...no need to make it a game of inches, when you have a mile streaking up the sideline
 
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When the play starts the safety inside the 40'yard marker.

As the play develops he's already shading towards Hopkins to provide of over the top help.

Now in theory, if #17 goes to Nuk he has to deal with 2 defenders and the corner / back of the end zone and drop the ball in the bucket.

How was his throw late if the ball is being realeased as soon as fedora comes out his break?

The middle of the field was open because the LB turned his back and both safety's faded to the outside to provide help.
 
Injury report as of today:

HOUSTON TEXANS
Thursday, Oct. 20

DID NOT PARTICIPATE
S Quintin Demps Calf
RB Jonathan Grimes Ankle
CB Kevin Johnson Foot
ILB Brian Peters Quad

LIMITED PARTICIPATION
G Oday Aboushi Shoulder
DE Jadeveon Clowney Wrist
WR Will Fuller Hamstring
WR DeAndre Hopkins Hamstring
T Derek Newton Ankle/Knee
OLB John Simon Shoulder

FULL PARTICIPATION
G Jeff Allen Concussion
TE Stephen Anderson Hamstring
T Duane Brown Knee
TE Ryan Griffin Ribs
CB Kareem Jackson Hamstring
CB Johnathan Joseph Forearm
C Greg Mancz Knee
WR Braxton Miller Hamstring
QB Brock Osweiler Foot
G Xavier Su'a-Filo Knee
 
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Tonight's @HoustonTexans inactives:
5- QB Weeden
12- WR Mumphery
27- S Demps
41- RB Grimes
52- ILB Peters
78- G Aboushi
93- DE Heath

I hope this line can protect Brock, but probably more importantly, I hope the defense is able to get after Siemian. They really need to be disciplined playing up there. The defense can't afford to commit penalties that give Denver free yards, and the offense can't commit penalties to back them up. Need special teams to swing field position as well.
 
Defense started giving up too many big plays and letting 3rd downs get converted. Not getting enough pressure on Siemian. Offense really needs to help them out
 
So much of this offense is really being wasted because of bad QB play. Simply finishing drives could have had us in front in more definitive fashion instead of just failing on these drives and hoping the defense does something to help out the offense. Of course it didn't help that the run defense was bad, and not enough pressure was being put on the quarterback which led us to give up big plays in the secondary. 4 and 0 at home and 0 and three on the road against teams that are actually good, one of these days we're going to have to beat the good teams in order to actually be considered contenders. That won't happen with a bad offenses leaving the defense on the field for entire games.
 
"Brock Osweiler attempted just nine passes beyond 10 yards from the LOS tonight, completing just two of them."
 
This really sucks for Newtons, such a bad injury on a routine play:

Texans offensive tackle Derek Newton is traveling back to Houston later Tuesday after remaining in Denver overnight after suffering a horrific set of injuries during a loss Monday night to the Broncos.
Newton tore both patellar tendons when he fell backwards while blocking Broncos outside linebacker Von Miller and have may have sustained additional damage to his knees with a magnetic resonance imaging exam and X-rays to be performed in Houston, according to sources not authorized to speak publicly.

Newton was unable to travel on the Texans' charter flight back to Houston and has been in severe pain. His legs have been immobilized. He can wiggle his toes.

Surgery will eventually be performed to repair the damage with renowned orthopedic surgeon Dr. James Andrews already consulting with Newton. Newton is expected to be in a wheelchair for several weeks before progressing to crutches and then walking within three months as he starts rehabilitating from an injury that has prevented NFL players in the past, including former Chicago Bears wide receiver Wendell Davis and former Cleveland Browns cornerback Gary Baxter, from resuming their careers to full capacity.

"We're still gathering a bunch of information," Texans coach Bill O'Brien said Tuesday. "He'll obviously be out for the season. I can't give you specifics on the injury. He actually stayed overnight in Denver. He's on his way back now. I feel bad for him. It's a tough injury, but I know he's going to work hard to come back from it."

The former seventh-round draft pick from Arkansas State was replaced in the lineup by veteran swing tackle Chris Clark.

Newton faces an uphill fight to ever play again, let alone reach his former playing standard.

"I am not aware of an NFL athlete, who came back to play at a similar level after this injury," said former San Diego Chargers team doctor David Chao, who doesn't treat Newton. "The injury is very rare. It's not a once-a-year injury. This is a once-every five years. This is harder to come back from than a torn ACL. To have two of them is devastating, but, yes, he should be walking in three months. There's a big difference between walking and playing.

"Look how long it took Duane Brown to come back from a torn quadriceps tendon, and this is much more serious. I wouldn't be shocked if there's also a torn ACL involved. I feel bad for the kid. A ruptured patellar tendon is three times worse than an ACL. Guys who tear an ACL like Geno Smith walk off the field. ACL surgeries are arthroscopic. A patellar tendon is an open surgery, a major reattachment. This is a very big deal for him to come back from."
 
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