Do you believe the official story of 9/11?

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cosmiccoffee9 said:
I kinda believe that...it's a bit odd that the craft body effectively disintegrated in a smoking crater after the crash.

I see why you wouldn't want to tell the citizens of the country that you had to blow up a passenger airliner with a cruise missile for national security purposes, but honestly it makes more sense than the contention that the entire aviation industry passed around the idiot ball for over an hour while the country was under attack.

I will say there are recordings of the passenger uprising out there--the hijackers struggling, the cockpit being battered, general chaos--but you never know.



hell, ya know what? here's how I lost an hour or two the other day.

 

of note, there just happened to be several terrorism practice exercises in play at the same time the events were unfolding--including, IIRC, a scenario featuring hijacked planes--leading to severe confusion with the military response.

yet another coincidence.
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but wouldnt a violent midair explosion (fighter missile) cause a breakup at altitude, and then a crater would be even less likely? You woukd think a million pieces flying down isnt going to make a crater like one massive piece would.
 
Cards93 said:
but wouldnt a violent midair explosion (fighter missile) cause a breakup at altitude, and then a crater would be even less likely? You woukd think a million pieces flying down isnt going to make a crater like one massive piece would.
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according to this article about the plane that got shot down in Malaysia a little while back, it depends strongly on where it hit...the wings contain the fuel (TIL) and it's possible that a missile would hit an area of the body that's not immediately explosive and leave enough wreckage to make a good size hole in the ground.
 
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cosmiccoffee9 said:
according to this article about the plane that got shot down in Malaysia a little while back, it depends strongly on where it hit...the wings contain the fuel (TIL) and it's possible that a missile would hit an area of the body that's not immediately explosive and leave enough wreckage to make a good size hole in the ground.
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but if the plane was largely intact at impact it would also leave agood size hole, right?
 
Cards93 said:
but if the plane was largely intact at impact it would also leave agood size hole, right?
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I'd imagine so, especially with the fuel burning on the ground.

(pic from site) 

like I said, I only kinda believe the "shot 'em down" story, I more lean toward "only hijacker response to successful passenger uprising" or "okay, we got the plane back, what now?" but it does make a bit of sense given the events of that day and potential targets in the general area, Shanksville being maybe half an hours' flight from DC.
 
It's crazy because I was Patriotic as fuh after 9/11. And every person I knew was as well for hella months after.
Now a lot of us feel used :stoneface:
 
Wayniac211 said:
It's crazy because I was Patriotic as fuh after 9/11. And every person I knew was as well for hella months after.
Now a lot of us feel used :stoneface:
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You've been hit by

You've been struck by


A bad case of patriotism :smh:
 
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Jay Patt said:
You've been hit by

You've been struck by


A bad case of patriotism :smh:
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idk bruh. It's deeper than that yo. The media played a huge role in bringing blk/white/Hispanic and all groups together around that time. Especially in the east coast. Unity was at an all time high. But it was all based on deceit.
 
I consider myself a skeptic when it comes to most conspiracy theories and supernatural phenomenon.


Plainly put however, no, I do not believe the official story of 9/11.
 
No, simply because I remember reading something like they wouldn't let the full investigation be made public or didn't allow it in the first place.

I personally don't think it was a Steven Spielberg style live performance, nor do I think Bush himself did it, but I do think he had prior knowledge of it being a possibility to happen, and he was slow to react because it would have (and did) open up a lot of doors for them to do all that they did over the next two decades.
 
As with most conspiracy cases, the actual truth (Osama Bin Laden executed 9/11) Is actually scarier than the conspiracy. It's pure lunacy to assume that it was an inside job, or that the government had so much to gain. What about Al Queda? Their movement has spread throughout the middle east, and it is because we reacted exactly as he planned. 

I'll never forget where I was that day, crazy to think highschoolers now weren't even around. I'll never forget how Bush played Colin Powells credibility into taking us into war, I'll never forget all the datelines on the various victims. Man, those feels. 
 
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PolosandDunks said:
mrbkkt1 said:
Dude, they are 2 Giant marks coming in off the ocean. I see your point but they were the largest things in the area. Yes. There were other tall buildings, but nothing nearly as wide, and if coming from the ocean side, nothing before
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Ah see now this makes sense thank you for the clarification. I didnt know which side they were coming in from so it was a clear target for them.

krazy88s said:
I think the hijackers took flight classes. They also used flight simulators, which were an exact replica of an airplane. I hear the hardest part of flying a plane is takeoff and landing, so they didn't really need that training. I think they were trained in Florida a few months before. Basically all they had to do was keep the plane steady and go as fast as possible.
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If thats all they had to do then I get it now. The easiest part was getting the planes to hit. All the prep and getting into the cockpit & things before were the hardest.

Thats IF "hijackers" even took over these plane but we'll never know.
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FWIW: http://patriotsquestion911.com/pilots.html

Lots of accomplished pilots saying that hitting the towers at 500-600 mph on the first try is really difficult and that they tried it in simulations after and struggled.
 
BlackIntellect said:
 
As with most conspiracy cases, the actual truth (Osama Bin Laden executed 9/11) Is actually scarier than the conspiracy. It's pure lunacy to assume that it was an inside job, or that the government had so much to gain. What about Al Queda? Their movement has spread throughout the middle east, and it is because we reacted exactly as he planned. 

I'll never forget where I was that day, crazy to think highschoolers now weren't even around. I'll never forget how Bush played Colin Powells credibility into taking us into war, I'll never forget all the datelines on the various victims. Man, those feels. 
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This wasn't a Bush thing. It was a failure of the intelligence agencies.

 
BlackIntellect said:
As with most conspiracy cases, the actual truth (Osama Bin Laden executed 9/11) Is actually scarier than the conspiracy. It's pure lunacy to assume that it was an inside job, or that the government had so much to gain. What about Al Queda? Their movement has spread throughout the middle east, and it is because we reacted exactly as he planned. 
 
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Its historical fact that governments/politicians/high ranking officials have plotted/executed terrorist attacks on their own people in order to sway public opinion on political/policy momentum for hundreds of years. To suggest its lunacy that the US would follow suit is rather short sighted and ignorant.
 
FrankMatthews said:
 
BlackIntellect said:
As with most conspiracy cases, the actual truth (Osama Bin Laden executed 9/11) Is actually scarier than the conspiracy. It's pure lunacy to assume that it was an inside job, or that the government had so much to gain. What about Al Queda? Their movement has spread throughout the middle east, and it is because we reacted exactly as he planned. 
 
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Its historical fact that governments/politicians/high ranking officials have plotted/executed terrorist attacks on their own people in order to sway public opinion on political/policy momentum for hundreds of years. To suggest its lunacy that the US would follow suit is rather short sighted and ignorant.
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Can I ask who the senior officials were then? We know they tried blowing them up in 1993 right after Clinton took office and again in 2001 right after Bush took office. New administrations put in their own people in cabinet and intelligence positions so it's not far fetched that the same people were not in power when each attack took place on the twin towers.

Additionally, if the fourth plane was in fact headed to the Capitol what would have happened if those "insiders" had actually let it hit and killed ~1/3 of the government?
 
crcballer55 said:
FrankMatthews said:
 
BlackIntellect said:
As with most conspiracy cases, the actual truth (Osama Bin Laden executed 9/11) Is actually scarier than the conspiracy. It's pure lunacy to assume that it was an inside job, or that the government had so much to gain. What about Al Queda? Their movement has spread throughout the middle east, and it is because we reacted exactly as he planned. 

 
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Its historical fact that governments/politicians/high ranking officials have plotted/executed terrorist attacks on their own people in order to sway public opinion on political/policy momentum for hundreds of years. To suggest its lunacy that the US would follow suit is rather short sighted and ignorant.
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Can I ask who the senior officials were then? We know they tried blowing them up in 1993 right after Clinton took office and again in 2001 right after Bush took office. New administrations put in their own people in cabinet and intelligence positions so it's not far fetched that the same people were not in power when each attack took place on the twin towers.

Additionally, if the fourth plane was in fact headed to the Capitol what would have happened if those "insiders" had actually let it hit and killed ~1/3 of the government?
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I wasn't necessarily talking about US officials and 911 specifically, i was just saying its historical fact that such acts have been done by many different countries/govts/individuals on numerous ocassions throughout the world for many years. Its a known tactic.

To think there is no continuity in intelligence agencys between administrations is flat out wrong. But as i said, refering to the "govt" in terms of conspiracies is a misnomer, a nameless, faceless scapegoat in a sense. There may be govt connections in some cases but this stuff is certainly not originated on capitol hill.
 
FrankMatthews said:
Its historical fact that governments/politicians/high ranking officials have plotted/executed terrorist attacks on their own people in order to sway public opinion on political/policy momentum for hundreds of years. To suggest its lunacy that the US would follow suit is rather short sighted and ignorant.
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Way more vague than the usage of government you are critiquing. The US executing it's citizens for the sake of causing war is asinine, and ignorant. 
 
crcballer55 said:
BlackIntellect said:
 


As with most conspiracy cases, the actual truth (Osama Bin Laden executed 9/11) Is actually scarier than the conspiracy. It's pure lunacy to assume that it was an inside job, or that the government had so much to gain. What about Al Queda? Their movement has spread throughout the middle east, and it is because we reacted exactly as he planned. 

I'll never forget where I was that day, crazy to think highschoolers now weren't even around. I'll never forget how Bush played Colin Powells credibility into taking us into war, I'll never forget all the datelines on the various victims. Man, those feels. 
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This wasn't a Bush thing. It was a failure of the intelligence agencies.
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Iraq had been bubbling since probably papi Bush, not Bill. But I will admit Bill was fighting a quiet war against them too

However, Bush Jr. took it to a level of buffoonery that neither Daddy nor Bill ever reached

Bush and his administration have to own the Iraq war fully. They scared the country, and shamed legislators into making it happen
 
I agree with FrankMatthews. Governments have been corrupt and morally bankrupt for centuries.
These things have happened in the past. That is a fact. So to believe that it is impossible for it to happen in the present is asinine and ignorant.
 
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JaysRcrak said:
I agree with FrankMatthews. Governments have been corrupt and morally bankrupt for centuries.
These things have happened in the past. That is a fact. So to believe that it is impossible for it to happen in the present is asinine and ignorant.
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Governments being corrupt has nothing to do with it though. When you are throwing accusations like conspiracy to murder 4,000 civilians as being common place in American society, you listening to Alex Jones, and watching too many youtube videos. By that standard literally any tragedy can be said to have government influence. Is it Possible that the government could do something like this? I would say no. Assassination, Political posturing, and arms dealing is a far cry from murdering thousands of people for the sake of leveraging oil/sadaam/whatever reason ya'll like to claim...
 
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BlackIntellect said:
FrankMatthews said:
Its historical fact that governments/politicians/high ranking officials have plotted/executed terrorist attacks on their own people in order to sway public opinion on political/policy momentum for hundreds of years. To suggest its lunacy that the US would follow suit is rather short sighted and ignorant.
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Way more vague than the usage of government you are critiquing. The US executing it's citizens for the sake of causing war is asinine, and ignorant. 
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The US executes citizens for less than that.

100k plus civilians been killed since the Iraq invasion but you don't think they'd kill Americans?

They won't even properly take care of the people who were saving lives during and after the attack. Companies like Halliburton were making stupid amounts of money piggybacking off the attacks and invasion.

With that said I don't think the government is directly responsible but to say it's ignorant to think so given this country's rich history of doing ****** up stuff seems kinda naive.
 
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BlackIntellect said:
Governments being corrupt has nothing to do with it though. When you are throwing accusations like conspiracy to murder 4,000 civilians as being common place in American society, you listening to Alex Jones, and watching too many youtube videos. By that standard literally any tragedy can be said to have government influence. Is it Possible that the government could do something like this? I would say no. Assassination, Political posturing, and arms dealing is a far cry from murdering thousands of people for the sake of leveraging oil/sadaam/whatever reason ya'll like to claim...
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Who said anything about it being commonplace in American society?

FrankMatthews said governments throughout history have done these types of things. Murdered 1000s of its own citizen for some unknown gain.
It has happened before and can happen again.

Maybe you misunderstood what he was saying. I'll go with that
 
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BlackIntellect said:
FrankMatthews said:
Its historical fact that governments/politicians/high ranking officials have plotted/executed terrorist attacks on their own people in order to sway public opinion on political/policy momentum for hundreds of years. To suggest its lunacy that the US would follow suit is rather short sighted and ignorant.
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Way more vague than the usage of government you are critiquing. The US executing it's citizens for the sake of causing war is asinine, and ignorant. 
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I wasn't being vague, it was all encompassing as i was speaking about numerous KNOWN incidents in which the aforementioned have perpetrated terrorist attacks on their own soil and blamed it on a third party, for the purposes of their political agenda. Again, it is a known tactic. That was my point.

Additionally, the US has executed citizens of other countries covertly, for the purposes of war/regime change/instability/political agenda in the past. Again, this is KNOWN fact, not conspiracy theory. To say it is beyond the realm of possibility for them to do it domestically is naive and irrationally optimistic.

Furthermore, "causing war" is an extreme oversimplification of the agenda here. Sadam/oil is an extreme oversimplification as well. I listed many, but not all, of the potentially intended consequences previously in this thread if you care to expand your scope of what is being suggested.
 
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301216baller said:
Me personally I don't think people could be that evil to the point where they could get thousands of people on purpose to get their agenda across maybe I'm naive
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There really are people that evil though. Just look at historical figures who have killed thousands if not millions to do just that.
 
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