All Eyez On Me teaser - RIP 2pac Vol. Goddamn it's been 20 years already?!?!

TipsyMcStagga · Jun 19, 2017

PCH Roadwinder said:
Degenerate423 said:

So, it wasn't just retaliation for being stomped out?

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Not really because Orlando and those fools were already trying to get Pac and Suge. The bounty was on their heads.

It was already set in motion. If Pac didn't get hit in Vegas IMO he would have gotten hit in LA.

Orlando and Southside were in vegas separate from Pac. They didn't know Pac was there. Once Pac and Suge jumped him, they then looked at the situation / night as a prime opportunity to cash in on the bounty that was already over Pac and Suge's head.

You have no idea what you're talking about :lol:

Keefe said they weren't even aiming for Pac. They were aiming for Suge. When Pac jumped in the back seat, that's when he got struck with the bullet that ultimately killed him.

Matter of fact, it was said that Orlando was a Pac fan and he was starstruck when Pac approached him in the casino.

P C H · Jun 19, 2017

KOD843 said:
You have no idea what you're talking about

Keefe said they weren't even aiming for Pac. They were aiming for Suge. When Pac jumped in the back seat, that's when he got struck with the bullet that ultimately killed him.

Matter of fact, it was said that Orlando was a Pac fan and he was starstruck when Pac approached him in the casino.

Man what?

Keefe D at Greenblatts Deli said that the bounty from Diddy was on Suge and Pac's head at the time of the murder. They were aiming for both.

The motivation behind Combs' alleged order to kill Knight and Shakur, says Keffe D, was fear that the other side would strike first.
Detective Dupree: "When [Combs] asked about [Shakur and Knight], would he always say both of them?"
Keffe D: "He added the boy [Shakur] on after he made a record."
Detective Dupree: "Before that it was just Suge? And then after 'Hit 'Em Up' came out?"
Keffe D: "Yeah, yeah, that pissed [Combs] off."

Furthermore, after they jumped baby lane in the lobby and what not, Keffe literally said "**** that **** who 2Pac think he is? We gangbang out here"

From the moment hit up em' dropped, it was a bounty on both. of their heads they were after both so I have no idea what you mean by Keefe said that they weren't even aiming for Pac when he literally said the opposite.

hunnybear · Jun 19, 2017

PCH Roadwinder said:
That man died banging the set, claiming MOB Piru, while on records telling people " **** ya mommas, **** ya grannies, etc. " saying **** like "My fo-fo make sure all y'all kids don't grow!"

That came out wrong, i'm not sayin you said he deserved to get murdered, but the reason why he got murdered wasn't because of this. He was murdered simply by association. Being in the wrong place at the wrong time with the wrong people. He wasn't out there in a gun fights shootin at people and literally robbing people.

geno90221 · Jun 19, 2017

Hunnybear said:
That came out wrong, i'm not sayin you said he deserved to get murdered, but the reason why he got murdered wasn't because of this. He was murdered simply by association. Being in the wrong place at the wrong time with the wrong people. He wasn't out there in a gun fights shootin at people and literally robbing people.

He got killed because he for doing some dumb ish thinking he was real Piru he asked the man where he was from before he punched him

Nobody is to blame but him

TipsyMcStagga · Jun 19, 2017

Now quote when he was actually talking about the shooting that night. He said Suge looked right at him and they knew each other since they were 8. He straight up said they were aiming for Suge.

P C H · Jun 19, 2017

Hunnybear said:
That came out wrong, i'm not sayin you said he deserved to get murdered, but the reason why he got murdered wasn't because of this. He was murdered simply by association. Being in the wrong place at the wrong time with the wrong people. He wasn't out there in a gun fights shootin at people and literally robbing people.

I mean yeah he wasn't literally doing those things but during that time, when you go that hard on records people touch you. He literally had a bounty on his head for what he was saying on records.

And he wasn't out there in a gun fight shooting at people but he sure did press Orlando as if he was a real MOB Piru blood and that's what happens when you bang sometimes

That's what I mean when I said he died banging the set because he literally asked Orlando if he was a southside crip before dropping him.

If he never ran up on him his life would have probably been spared that night but he was banging the set, running up on a real crip, and he got touched.

geno90221 · Jun 19, 2017

KOD843 said:
Now quote when he was actually talking about the shooting that night. He said Suge looked right at him and they knew each other since they were 8. He straight up said they were aiming for Suge.

They were aiming for both man

geno90221 · Jun 19, 2017

PCH Roadwinder said:
I mean yeah he wasn't literally doing those things but during that time, when you go that hard on records people touch you. He literally had a bounty on his head for what he was saying on records.

And he wasn't out there in a gun fight shooting at people but he sure did press Orlando as if he was a real MOB Piru blood and that's what happens when you bang sometimes

That's what I mean when I said he died banging the set because he literally asked Orlando if he was a southside crip before dropping him.

If he never ran up on him his life would have probably been spared that night.

Exactly and at that moment he became the "enemy" instead of a famous rapper

VARNELL HILL · Jun 19, 2017

PCH Roadwinder said:
To a lot of others I'm sure they aren't. This is literally my interpretation of the career of Pac, along with how I differ in how I view Pac (along with other rappers now, I guess)

He had the ability to influence culture on a massive scale, but used that influence to incite violence amongst his own people. And that's cool to me, Rap Music is entertainment to me. But for me, if you're going to be the voice of the black community, and if I'm going to take it as such, then I can't hear you on records saying that you and the outlawz will murder people's families and all that. You gotta be more responsible than that for me If I'm going to view you in that light.

Like others mentioned, MLK, Malcolm, etc. weren't perfect but they were tangibly in the field making change, not just talking about it which essentially that was all Pac was able to do. Perhaps if he lived longer we could have saw the real change that he could have potentially incited, but ultimately his grandest weapon was his music and he used that to incite violence as much as he used it to incite positive change and how I see it is, if we're viewing you as an entertainer, then that's fine that makes the story (music) all the more greater. If we're looking at you in a heavier light, then the lens gets a bit more critical for me.

Wait...so you're saying if you view an artist as an entertainer, it "makes the story greater" when your art incites negativity...but in order for you to view him in a "heavier light", he must use his art to "tangibly" make change only? I can't fathom what kind of logic is being applied there.

If Brenda Got A Baby, stopped just one teenager from throwing her baby in the garbage, Keep Ya Head Up, made just one black woman feel better about herself in a world where she's under attack 24/7, or Trapped helped just one kid put his gun down...is that not change?

I am quite literally telling you that the world would have NEVER gotten "Good Pac" if "Bad Pac" didn't exist. He wouldn't have been given the platform to do so and if he did, the streets wouldn't have wanted to hear it.

We're in a thread discussing a movie that was made about his life. Think about this for a second, before you tell me he was just an entertainer.

And If you want stick to him being an entertainer...show me another "entertainer" that schools like Berkeley offer classes on. Show another entertainer that the FBI has a publicly viewable case file on. I'll wait.

hunnybear · Jun 19, 2017

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geno90221 said:
He got killed because he for doing some dumb ish thinking he was real Piru he asked the man where he was from before he punched him

Nobody is to blame but him

im pretty sure that death row entourage was gonna jump that dude even if Pac didnt punch him

P C H · Jun 19, 2017

KOD843 said:
Now quote when he was actually talking about the shooting that night. He said Suge looked right at him and they knew each other since they were 8. He straight up said they were aiming for Suge.

There's no way you can actually believe Keffe's account of that night (His account is true) and think that they got in that car looking for only suge when Pac had just dropped lane, and they had bounty's on Pac and Suge.

Come on man.

geno90221 · Jun 19, 2017

Hunnybear said:
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im pretty sure that death row entourage was gonna jump that dude even if Pac didnt punch him

It dont matter that was they job to do because they were gang members so it would have been better if they did...

But Pac took it upon himself to do it hell he took of running before they realized wth was going on...

P C H · Jun 19, 2017

getemgirls said:
Wait...so you're saying if you view an artist as an entertainer, it "makes the story greater" when your art incites negativity...but in order for you to view him in a "heavier light", he must use his art to "tangibly" make change only? I can't fathom what kind of logic is being applied there.

If Brenda Got A Baby, stopped just one teenager from throwing her baby in the garbage, Keep Ya Head Up, made just one black woman feel better about herself in a world where she's under attack 24/7, or Trapped helped just one kid put his gun down...is that

I am quite literally telling you that the world would have NEVER gotten "Good Pac" if "Bad Pac" didn't exist. He wouldn't have been given the platform to do so and if he did, the streets wouldn't have wanted to hear it.

We're in a thread discussing a movie that was made about his life. Think about this for a second, before you tell me he was just an entertainer.

And If you want stick to him being an entertainer...show me another "entertainer" that schools like Berkeley offer classes on. Show another entertainer that the FBI has a publicly viewable case file. I'll wait.

I mean the berkely classes and FBI case file and all that is cool, but that's irrelevant to me. I don't care about what they're saying about pac at Berkeley or what the FBI is saying about him, because I'm not looking at him in that way. Others do, and I'm in the minority in that regard, and that's cool.

We're in this thread because we're discussing a movie that was made about his life. Incredible entertainers get movies made about them, that's really how I perceive that.

And as far as the logic that is being used, I'm looking at Pac through the lens of an artist. As an artist, he has artistic liberty to say what he wants, and deliver whatever story he wants in whatever fashion that he chooses. That's fine. When it's just the music it's not even "Good" or "Bad" Pac, it's just 2Pac.

But if I'm looking at him in a heavier lens that likens him to a revolutionary or activist, then I would have to look at him a bit differently because his primary weapon is his music, and in that regard, his conflicting depictions matter to me.

hunnybear · Jun 19, 2017

geno90221 said:
It dont matter that was they job to do because they were gang members so it would have been better if they did...

But Pac took it upon himself to do it hell he took of running before they realized wth was going on...

point is Pac punchin dude is irrelevant. like other homeboy said, if he didnt die that night, he prolly wouldve died another...simply by being with the wrong crowd.

P C H · Jun 19, 2017

Hunnybear said:
point is Pac punchin dude is irrelevant. like other homeboy said, if he didnt die that night, he prolly wouldve died another...simply by being with the wrong crowd.

Being in the wrong crowd, and being a part of the wrong crowd is different.

2Pac was the latter, and he didn't have to be.

He ran around claiming MOB when he wasn't. He got MOB tatted on him. He was screaming MOB on records. He did that.

He would have probably died eventually because he was in too deep by sept of 96. He was full fledged Claiming Piru and fools wanted him dead.

hunnybear · Jun 19, 2017

nah homie, you dont instantly die because you claim a set. Suge prolly done things 100 times worse than Pac and he still alive in breathin.

geno90221 · Jun 19, 2017

Hunnybear said:
point is Pac punchin dude is irrelevant. like other homeboy said, if he didnt die that night, he prolly wouldve died another...simply by being with the wrong crowd.

To be honest Pac was lucky to even be alive in Vegas he almost got smoked in NY a few days before...

VARNELL HILL · Jun 19, 2017

PCH Roadwinder said:
I mean the berkely classes and FBI case file and all that is cool, but that's irrelevant to me. I don't care about what they're saying about pac at Berkeley or what the FBI is saying about him, because I'm not looking at him in that way. Others do, and I'm in the minority in that regard, and that's cool.

We're in this thread because we're discussing a movie that was made about his life. Incredible entertainers get movies made about them, that's really how I perceive that.

And as far as the logic that is being used, I'm looking at Pac through the lens of an artist. As an artist, he has artistic liberty to say what he wants, and deliver whatever story he wants in whatever fashion that he chooses. That's fine. When it's just the music it's not even "Good" or "Bad" Pac, it's just 2Pac.

But if I'm looking at him in a heavier lens that likens him to a revolutionary or activist, then I would have to look at him a bit differently because his primary weapon is his music, and in that regard, his conflicting depictions matter to me.

You stuck on arbitrary labels. The word you want to assign to how you view Tupac is irrelevant here. I'm simply here to tell you the consensus truth on who he was and what he's been remembered for.

You're also contradicting yourself. On one hand you say it's entertainment...and on the other, you've stated music being used as a weapon several times now. That's an awful lot of responsibility and power to bestow upon an "entertainer" isn't it? Aren't you admitting here that his "entertainment" had a tangible impact on the world?

P C H · Jun 19, 2017

Hunnybear said:
nah homie, you dont instantly die because you claim a set. Suge prolly done things 100 times worse than Pac and he still alive in breathin.

Well I'm not claiming that he would instantly die from banging a set.

When I say he's in too deep, he's literally running around claiming Piru with a Million dollar bounty on his head. I think he would have got touched eventually. We'll never know but yeah, gang members with million dollar bounty's on their heads, I think have a solid chance of getting touched lol

geno90221 · Jun 19, 2017

Hunnybear said:
nah homie, you dont instantly die because you claim a set. Suge prolly done things 100 times worse than Pac and he still alive in breathin.

Cause Suge was actually from Piru and had Juice

Pac was a little rapper that was lost and needed protection

hunnybear · Jun 19, 2017

geno90221 said:
To be honest Pac was lucky to even be alive in Vegas he almost got smoked in NY a few days before...

Pac died because of his affiliation and because of his recklessness. And i doubt Nas wouldve had his goons shoot dude in the middle of broad daylight in central park if thats what you're referring to

P C H · Jun 19, 2017

getemgirls said:
You stuck on arbitrary labels. The word you want to assign to how you view Tupac is irrelevant here. I'm simply here to tell you the consensus truth on who he was and what he's been remembered for.

You're also contradicting yourself. On one hand you say it's entertainment...and on the other, you've stated music being used as a weapon several times now. That's an awful lot of responsibility and power to bestow upon an "entertainer" isn't it? Aren't you admitting here that his "entertainment" had a tangible impact on the world?

I'm not worried about the consensus truth on him? It's my view of 2pac lol

And i'm not contradicting myself. I'm saying it's entertainment to me. I view 2pac as an entertainer, sure. But if I were to view him in with an "Activist lens" or whatever the case, then Pac's music would become a weapon and thus, i'd have to look at him, and his music differently.

I don't view Pac's music as a "weapon" at all, but he really didn't get the chance to do much of anything in the name of activism so if you're going to call him an activist, then i'd assume you'd say his vehicle of activism is his music. For me, that couldn't be the case if I wanted to view him as an activist because as much "good" as he put in his music, he diluted it with "bad."

geno90221 · Jun 19, 2017

Hunnybear said:
Pac died because of his affiliation and because of his recklessness. And i doubt Nas wouldve had his goons shoot dude in the middle of broad daylight in central park if thats what you're referring to

It was at night time and yes they was about to let off on Pac

hunnybear · Jun 19, 2017

geno90221 said:
Cause Suge was actually from Piru and had Juice

Pac was a little rapper that was lost and needed protection

So Pac was not banging or was he? which story are we on now and whats your point? sounds like you're hatin on a dead man

geno90221 · Jun 19, 2017

Hunnybear said:
So Pac was not banging or was he? which story are we on now and whats your point? sounds like you're hatin on a dead man

Jus stating facts wtf I need to hate on Pac for he died over something that had nothing to do with him that he knew nothing about...

Yeah he was claiming MOB and when he dropped Lane he officially was banging on they rival enemy..

So he got dealt with like any other 25 year old gang member in the mid 90s

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