Official 2016-2017 NBA Season Thread - NBA rules Chris Bosh has a career ending injury

[statis22]

Lol idk I'd be weary of any team than can shut down the paint and make Capela useless. I mean if he's not gonna rebound then he's gonna be borderline useless and that ain't good.

 

[hardens beard]

23% shooting from deep, 54% at the rim both of which are well below league average. Free throw attempts few & far in between, all of that equate having to take a lot of shots to get that inefficient 17ppg. The 4 assists are accompanied with 2.5 TOs.

Not impressive at all. On a good team, he's coming off the bench at this point.

QFT. In the modern NBA if you don't get to the line or shoot 3's it's hard to justify being a primary scoring option.

 

[hardens beard]

Lol idk I'd be weary of any team than can shut down the paint and make Capela useless. I mean if he's not gonna rebound then he's gonna be borderline useless and that ain't good.

If you shutting down the paint, chances are you helping off shooters.

 

[abematic]

The knicks are a bad overall team & a lot of that has to do with not putting their players in position to succeed & strive at what they do best. I'm not saying Rose is at no fault, because defensively he could be better & he does have a fair share of plays that would be easier if he handed the rock off.

However Rose right now would be best suited playing on a team that Runs a lot and allows him to get into the paint. He still can breakdown a defense & is hard to keep in front of you.

Unfortunately for him there aren't to many teams in playoff contention that are in need of a Score first PG. The spurs would be interesting if Pop didn't have so much loyalty to TP.

Add to it that he don't get NO CALLS. His defense is ugh.

 

[nick.]

Rose doesn't get calls because he contorts his body to avoid contact

 

[trynafeelmink]

Rose just doesn't seem to Love the game enough to be Elite.

Strikes me as the guy who would rather be sleeping Til' Noon and running trains on scallywags with the HS homies.

And more power to him if so, just remember his comment about not wanting to be sore at future PT confer fed or soemthing

This dude cashed out on a 100+ Mill Adidas deal, and a 100+ million NBA deal & literally rehabbed & did surgery THREE years in a row. To see where he's at physically today, it's kind of shortsited to say he doesn't "Love" the game. if anybody had a reason to leave the game alone and just live off the money it would be him.

Also ya'll dudes are EXTREMELY jaded on percentages & Efficiency. cats are looking at #'s like LBJ, KD, Steph, Harden etc etc like they're not gonna go down as some of the best to ever touch the basketball. they are the outlier and shouldn't be looked at as the norm. league average fg% is 459 & EFG% is .50 (that's not taking into account that this number includes many players who are 6'9+ who make there living at the rim). For a Guard D-Rose is slightly above average percentage wise and he puts up good scoring numbers.

Not to mention that he still is one of the quicker guys in the L and could put pressure on the Defense if he was in an offense where pushing the rock and pace was emphasized instead of looked down upon. (knicks are currently 14th and he's having one of his better seasons in awhile on top of him being relatively healthy)

 

[trynafeelmink]

Rose doesn't get calls because he contorts his body to avoid contact

Fact i don't know why he does this so much, especially considering that leaves him at akward angles landing instead of just taking the contact and settling himself.

 

[JD617]

I just checked and Rose's ts% and efg% are as good as they've been in 5 years . His fg% is better than it was when he won mvp. I guess he's continuing to not be good tho because free throws. He just needs to get out of that toxic environment in sacramento and he'll be fine

"As good as they've been in 5 years." Gee, maybe because the bar was extremely low and it was hard not to. His TS% was sub-50% the past 3 years, but good for him for going from a mile below average the past 3 years to still below average now. Congrats to him I guess.

I just checked and Rose's ts% and efg% are as good as they've been in 5 years . His fg% is better than it was when he won mvp. I guess he's continuing to not be good tho because free throws. He just needs to get out of that toxic environment in sacramento and he'll be fine

I'm just waiting for the statisticians to catch up and put TS% and OMAF on the stat overlays during games. They schleep apparently.

Says the guy who spent the whole first half of the season posting those TPA graphs and charts from the nba_math twitter account.

23% shooting from deep, 54% at the rim both of which are well below league average. Free throw attempts few & far in between, all of that equate having to take a lot of shots to get that inefficient 17ppg. The 4 assists are accompanied with 2.5 TOs.

Not impressive at all. On a good team, he's coming off the bench at this point.

QFT. In the modern NBA if you don't get to the line or shoot 3's it's hard to justify being a primary scoring option.

Nah, who cares about free throws or threes. Scoring efficiently is meaningless. Throwing up bricks > *

 

[MajinZuub]

I've always been a big Rose guy but I'm with the people that think he's best suited as a 6th man at this point in his career. He just needs to hold the ball too much sometimes and that's cool if he's your best player but that's not the case for any winning team anymore. He would wreck shop off the bench leading a second unit.

 

[trynafeelmink]

As with all stats they don't tell the whole story. Efg% hurts a player like Rose because he doesn't hit threes at a good clip, with that said he also doesn't take many at all. So a player who's connecting on a lot of threes but shooting horrible from everywhere else on the floor will look more efficient.

Nick young Efg% this season is at .567 to put that in perspective CP's career #'s are at .51............ hell JJ's Redick is at . 54. ya'll don't see how these numbers can be a bit problematic? unless your gonna argue that While watching an NBA game you would think that NY is more efficient ball player than CP & JJ.

 

[MajinZuub]

Rose barely shoots 1 3 pointer per game. Agree with questioning why people are even bringing that up.

 

[MVP]

As with all stats they don't tell the whole story. Efg% hurts a player like Rose because he doesn't hit threes at a good clip, with that said he also doesn't take many at all. So a player who's connecting on a lot of threes but shooting horrible from everywhere else on the floor will look more efficient.

Nick young Efg% this season is at .567 to put that in perspective CP's career #'s are at .51............ hell JJ's Redick is at . 54. ya'll don't see how these numbers can be a bit problematic? unless your gonna argue that While watching an NBA game you would think that NY is more efficient ball player than CP & JJ.

Interesting. I'm sure the counter will be CP0's TS% which can be explained in part because he's a 87% FT shooter.

 

[hardens beard]

As with all stats they don't tell the whole story. Efg% hurts a player like Rose because he doesn't hit threes at a good clip, with that said he also doesn't take many at all. So a player who's connecting on a lot of threes but shooting horrible from everywhere else on the floor will look more efficient.

Nick young Efg% this season is at .567 to put that in perspective CP's career #'s are at .51............ hell JJ's Redick is at . 54. ya'll don't see how these numbers can be a bit problematic? unless your gonna argue that While watching an NBA game you would think that NY is more efficient ball player than CP & JJ.

This year nick young shooting 40 percent on 7 3's a game. If doc would get with analytics and have jj shooting 9 or 10 3's a game they'd probably get to the WCF

 

[BIG LEEMELONE]

I see a bunch of harden games where he shoots like 40% from the field or lower but because he's 8/8 from the line his ts% is up and that's considered efficient. It's all about whatever the formula skews towards

 

[awwsome]

Came back to see the Sixers firing up the tank again.

Embiid not going to play the rest of the year and he's healthy.

 

[Lake Shore Drive]

I fully expect the Lakers or Knicks to give Rose that Max or near max deal this offseason....100+M's for Pooh.

 

[hardens beard]

I see a bunch of harden games where he shoots like 40% from the field or lower but because he's 8/8 from the line his ts% is up and that's considered efficient. It's all about whatever the formula skews towards

Nah cause over half his shots are from 3. That whole team has mastered expected value with relation to shots taken.

 

[MVP]

I fully expect the Lakers or Knicks to give Rose that Max or near max deal this offseason....100+M's for Pooh.

He'll go back to Chicago. Lakers running on 24k Magic now no more Mosgov deals.

 

[pmatic]

Thibs gonna finish the job he started with Rose's knees.

 

[trynafeelmink]

Thibs gonna finish the job he started with Rose's knees.

and SMH at the same time because he's probably gonna do it too.. Already dusted off Lavine

 

[carver]

Thibs gonna finish the job he started with Rose's knees.

 

[awwsome]

Forever one of the best gifs on the Internet.

 

[trynafeelmink]

This year nick young shooting 40 percent on 7 3's a game. If doc would get with analytics and have jj shooting 9 or 10 3's a game they'd probably get to the WCF

Although Reddick is an Elite shooter where do you draw the line on passing up wide open midrange shots if your an elite shooter from there too? We've seen Dantoni work wonders in the regular season by having his team push the pace and hunt threes. However come playoff time, when things slow down & patterns are noticed i wonder how much not attempting midrange shots is gonna start to hurt. I would assume that as a defender it's much easier to guard a player knowing that the team really has no intention of pulling up for a midrange.

Now obviously for a guy like Harden it doesn't matter because he can get his from anywhere, but for the others around attacking them on defense is jusy gonna consist of closing out on the three line.

 

[hardens beard]

Although Reddick is an Elite shooter where do you draw the line on passing up wide open midrange shots if your an elite shooter from there too? We've seen Dantoni work wonders in the regular season by having his team push the pace and hunt threes. However come playoff time, when things slow down & patterns are noticed i wonder how much not attempting midrange shots is gonna start to hurt. I would assume that as a defender it's much easier to guard a player knowing that the team really has no intention of pulling up for a midrange.

Now obviously for a guy like Harden it doesn't matter because he can get his from anywhere, but for the others around attacking them on defense is jusy gonna consist of closing out on the three line.

Reddick should never pass up an open mid range shoot, he's an elite shooter. But the problem is, to many times they run plays designed to get mid range shots and most of them are contested.

 

[JD617]

Mamba MVP is too funny. Dude morphs into John Hollinger Jr. out of nowhere when he wants to support Mr. Mamba Blood.

i highly doubt that. i'm sure wall cp3 and lowry would definitely be in that class too if anything but i could be wrong

Here's through the 29th of December. Not only does Russ account for more offensively, goods defensive value is damn near on part with Geek 8 Freak. at he does nothing better than Harden.

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You want it to be one way but it's the other way...

idk what you were proving?
that chart doesn't mean russ is the only pg with good offense and defense lmao.
not only that but harden is on the chart too.
and you proved my point because cp3 lowry and wall are all right there.
what was your purpose in posting that [emoji]128514[/emoji]

Look at the 2nd chart. The offensive points added, Russ is ahead. The defensive points saved he's way ahead of Harden trailing only Draymond and Greek Freak. TPA he's WAAAAAY ahead of everyone, which was my initial point. He's having possibly the greatest all around season since MJ in 88 on both sides of the ball all while averaging a triple double, it's absurd.

[emoji]129300[/emoji] every other defensive stat I looked at doesn't have Russ that high and he's a horrible defender from the eye test so idk....

You'd be wrong his defensive box plus minus this season is 4.3 the highest of his career and just behind Rudy at 4.4, Draymond at 4.7. Harden by comparison is at 1.4. So it's not the only metric. Defensive win shares are similar as well with Russ at 2.0, Gobert at 2.9, Draymond at 2.4. They're pretty much all in the same range the only huge difference I've seen would be in the real box plus minus which does an evaluation per 100 possessions.

Whenever Westbrook isn't involved though, he's right back to calling stats a bunch of nonsense.

I'm just waiting for the statisticians to catch up and put TS% and OMAF on the stat overlays during games. They schleep apparently.

yes they are....
russ' def rtg is only about 2 points better
but I have no interest in debating with you after that dumbass chart you posted

So you hate advanced stats but pick and choose the ones to fit your agenda. I see you.

Yeah, I'll say.