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Word.Derrick Rose said like 9 things that were head scratchers.

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I like how she gets to walk away from this like nothing happened after trying to ruin a mans life. Damaged his reputation as it is. Like darn, I almossttt stole some of your money. So close. Maybe next time.

Justice was kinda served.
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Here is complete Overview of somethings that happened and were said in trial. 

Sources: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/10/19/texts-saved-derrick-rose-in-rape-trial.html

 

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THE TRIAL

Rose’s version of the events leading up to the night in question was that Doe was not a victim but a willing, eager participant in sex with him and his friends.

Rose said in pre-trial deposition that he awoke to Doe texting him a suggestive selfie around 10 a.m. on August 26, 2013.

“My inspiration” Doe wrote in one text to Rose.

“What’s that for?” Rose replied.

“U the reason why I wake up horny,” she responded.

Rose asked for Doe if she and one of “yo girls come spend the night wit me tonight.” The text was followed by another: “Surprise me wit a chick if you can.”

Doe, according to the text messages and deposition transcripts, asked for Rose to pick up the tab for a “pink [sex] belt” she bought at a “girls on girls store.” Doe also asked Rose if he wanted weed.

And then Doe asked him if he was game for ecstasy, because she apparently wanted to please her friend whom she was bringing over to his home.

“U got e babe she wants som we just left the sex store,” Doe texted.

Rose told them they were on their on to get some.

“Naw I don’t,” he texted back. “U will have to find some.”

The ecstasy and sex toy references are a point of major contention because it appears that lawyers for the accused left out those and other “exculpatory” text messages.  

Rose’s attorney Mark Baute announced in open court before the jury was brought in that the trio of texts were the “most exculpatory evidence” because, he said, it shows the accuser requested payment for a sex belt and a cab ride from that evening totalling $269.

The accuser’s attorney Waukeen McCoy tried to counter that he and his team offered all text messages, but the judge scolded him for mishandling all the exhibits in the case as “quite careless” and led him to consider calling for a mistrial.

The scene brought attorneys on both sides to come close to physical blows as witnessed by The Daily Beast on the final day of Rose’s testimony.

Once Doe and her friend arrived at Rose’s Beverly Hills pad the tequila was apparently flowing. But while the accuser claimed Allen poured shots, Rose, Allen and Hampton all testified it was Doe that was doing the bartender honors.

“[She] was pouring the Don Julio,” Allen said. “Each of the fellas had two shots.” And the consensus was Doe drank only “two shots.”

Rose claimed then Doe “gave me some oral sex by the pool.” He even said that he had only joined in after she was having sex with Hampton from behind by the poolside cabana. 

“I stopped because I felt like Randall and her were really getting into it — then I went to my room.”

That was followed up with a series of early morning texts from Doe, asking for Rose to come to her for more sex. At 1:40 a.m. Doe texted Rose: “...I left my belt and my **** n yo bathroom. And u need to come to me right now.”

Rose offered to send one of his guys to her home with the missing things, but Doe refused, texting: “...I want you here, too.”

“We on our way,” Rose texted back.

By 2:19 a.m., Allen texted Doe to  her that “Derris [sic] is coming to we’ll call you wen we’re outside.” Thirty minutes later they were idling by her apartment complex and Allen texted: “We outside… Wake yo *** up.”

In his deposition Allen said that he brought along the bottle of Astroglide lubricant and condoms for “group sex” with Doe.

“We had sex with her back at the [Beverly Hills] place, so I figured, I mean, we should bring condoms just in case we stayed at her place,” Allen said. “These messages indicated she wanted to have group sex at some point.”

Once Rose and company entered Doe’s apartment at around 3 a.m. she was calling the shots, they said.

Doe’s attorney McCoy said the men were “running a train” on his client. Rose said Allen went into her room first while “me and Randall went to sit on the couch.”

Allen said they all had engaged in sex one at a time for “45 minutes to an hour” before they left. 

While they were in the throes of sex, Allen said during his deposition Doe stopped and “grabbed a vibrator, a little pink vibrator.” After sex, Allen said he hugged and kissed Doe before “throwing away the condom wrappers and stuff like that.”

Rose was taught to take his used condom with him at the NBA’s rookie camp in Orlando, Florida, he testified.

“No way I was going to leave a condom anywhere around her apartment. I was trained to do it,” Rose  said.

When they drove off Rose remembered how Allen and Hampton ribbed him for pocketing the condom. “I mean someone carries a condom out of the house, it was just funny.”

“I just blacked out,” the accuser said during her deposition. “My legs were full of lubricant. Like that would never have happened … if I hadn’t allowed myself to black out.”

When Doe started texting him about how her hands were blistered (or as she texted they “bubbled up”) and wanted answers Rose started to think the fix was in.

She testified that she took Rose and his childhood friends to court to hold them “accountable” not to cash in on millions. “The issue was never about money,” she said. I never wanted money.”

Still when she was brought back to the stand after the judge permitted a second cross-examination to avoid a mistrial Doe struggled to make sense of her actions.

Pressed about the content of the suggestive text messages before the fateful night in question — asking for ecstasy, saying she was “horny” for Rose, and requesting a reimbursement for the pink sex belt and cab fare — Doe seemed to say that wasn’t her.

“I don’t text that way,” she said.

The defense would paint her as a money-grubbing woman trying to cash in for her own sexual slights. In fact, when Doe failed to concede that she wasn’t in a relationship with Rose, Baute seemed to wonder if she was ever sober.

“Is that because you were blackout drunk the whole summer?” he asked.

In her deposition, Doe stressed that before she leveled the point guard with a lawsuit, he’d ignore her texts until she brought up money issues.

“I just wanted to talk to him. And the only reason – the only way he would respond to me is when I asked him about money,” Doe said.

“I didn't wish him any harm, I wanted him to be accountable,” she testified in court.

And Doe wasn’t laughing the morning after or today where she has since left L.A. to live with relatives in Northern California and struggling to stay focused while enrolled in college ecourses.

The trial ultimately came down to consent, with the jury even instructed on the meaning of the word.

At no time did Doe ever stop him or say “no,” Rose stressed while he testified in court.

“She seemed to enjoy it,” he added.

Rose did acknowledge after being pressed that there is nothing in the text messages spelling out consent. But that in the moment when he and his two pals were taking turns with her she never hit the sex brakes.

“She could have told me no,” he said.

At trial she merely said that she “couldn’t recall” if she ever tried to stop any of the trio having sex with her in the bedroom of her apartment.

Consent and Rose’s understanding proved to be a sticky subject throughout trial. In his deposition, Rose struggled to define what constitutes consent.

“No, but can you tell me?’ The questioner: ‘I just wanted to know if you had an understanding.’

Rose admitted at that time: “No.”

When he testified last Tuesday he seemed to amend that.

“At the time I didn’t understand the context of the sentence, but I do.”

And his attorney Baute gave Rose a second layup of a question to define consent and Rose understood.

“Consent to have sex [means] both parties have to agree.”

Now a seasoned NBA vet, Rose mastered how to clean up condoms after casual sex, but as for consent it may have been merely a footnote until he was accused of rape.

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I like how she gets to walk away from this like nothing happened after trying to ruin a mans life. Damaged his reputation as it is. Like darn I almossttt stole some of your money. So close.

Justice was kinda served.

Not like he a great one in the first place
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I like how you putting words in my mouth like I ever referenced him. laugh.gif

Once again though, this type of vitriol showcased towards the accuser and her actions assuming she was lying contribute to rape culture.

It's not even virtol. I'm well aware of rape culture and what contributes to it.

But its very possible for a stupid dude that says stupid things about women and consent....to be completely innocent of rape....and extorted.

That is what happened in Rose's case.

I'm far from a keyboard mysogonist. Consider myself very progressive. But I gotta call a spade a spade. Rose is an idiot....and shorty was looking for a cash grab.

That's all.
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google it homie.   im sure you can find plenty of cases. i aint trying to prove anything . 

naive to think   this dont happen plenty of  times in the real world. 

Quote me verbatim where I said "False rape accusations NEVER happen"

And Google found me 12 examples of this. Definitely a **** ton of false rape accusations!
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It's not even virtol. I'm well aware of rape culture and what contributes to it.

But its very possible for a stupid dude that says stupid things about women and consent....to be completely innocent of rape culture....and extorted.

That is what happened in Rose's case.

I'm far from a keyboard mysogonist. Consider myself very progressive. But I gotta call a spade a spade. Rose is an idiot....and shorty was looking for a cash grab.

That's all.

How?

Dude said he was entitled to have sex with this woman because "We men"

And doesn't know what consent is.

Unless you made a typo, not really sure what you're going with here
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We not supposed to criticize his game cuz he bought some chick a baby stroller? laugh.gif


Her own damn friend called her a pathological liar and you still caping mean.gif

Not even focusing on that truthfully.

Caping for a guy who appears to

A) Not even know what consent means
B) Thinks that men are entitled to have sex with women
C) Has frequently displayed lapses of judgement, way before the accusation was brought forward

Is somehow honorable to you?

Aside from calling this woman names you wouldn't dare say around any other female you know.

NT has a REAL problem with toxic masculinity and a complete lack of knowledge of how and why sexual assault perpetrators get off scott free.

Reading something like "A false rape accusation should receive equal punishment as an actual rape" is mind-numbingly insensitive.

 

Supporting a man found not guilty, by a jury, after evidence suggests he was falsely accused of a heinous crime in a shameless attempt to get rich quick, certainly isn't dishonorable.

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The Indians are in the World Series? That LeBron James effect.

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The Indians are in the World Series? That LeBron James effect.
Ring Night and Game 1 the same night pimp.gifpimp.gif
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We not supposed to criticize his game cuz he bought some chick a baby stroller? laugh.gif


Her own damn friend called her a pathological liar and you still caping mean.gif

Not even focusing on that truthfully.

Caping for a guy who appears to

A) Not even know what consent means
B) Thinks that men are entitled to have sex with women
C) Has frequently displayed lapses of judgement, way before the accusation was brought forward

Is somehow honorable to you?

Aside from calling this woman names you wouldn't dare say around any other female you know.

NT has a REAL problem with toxic masculinity and a complete lack of knowledge of how and why sexual assault perpetrators get off scott free.

Reading something like "A false rape accusation should receive equal punishment as an actual rape" is mind-numbingly insensitive.
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I like how she gets to walk away from this like nothing happened after trying to ruin a mans life. Damaged his reputation as it is. Like darn, I almossttt stole some of your money. So close. Maybe next time.

Justice was kinda served.

Oh yeah? What about the folks who think she's a gold digger, ***, etc?

Never mind the fact NT dug up her photo to suggest she should do porn...cause that definitely isn't mad insutling

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Supporting a man found not guilty, by a jury, after evidence suggests he was falsely accused of a heinous crime in a shameless attempt to get rich quick, certainly isn't dishonorable.

Yeah, but he also said damning things about women. So you support that?
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Word.Derrick Rose said like 9 things that were head scratchers.

If dude knew how to speak like an actual coherent adult, even slightly, this would of been a non-story months ago.
His suspect wordage in his answers has brought all of the extra attention to the story.
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Oh no, you posted a GIF! Sure got me there!
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Oh no, you posted a GIF! Sure got me there!

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I like how she gets to walk away from this like nothing happened after trying to ruin a mans life. Damaged his reputation as it is. Like darn, I almossttt stole some of your money. So close. Maybe next time.

Justice was kinda served.

Exactly **** is disgusting man
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You wanted to refute my points or nah?
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so how bout them dodgers. 

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You wanted to refute my points or nah?
Why would I you are stuck on your opinion. No need in going back and forth with you. Idk why people in here are doing it.
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The Indians are in the World Series? That LeBron James effect.

Only so much could be done for the browns
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Why would I you are stuck on your opinion. No need in going back and forth with you.

Did I ever say this woman was absolved of guilt?

Did I ever say I applauded this woman?

Find me VERBATIM where I did.

And honestly wondering, do you have any idea why sexual assault and its victims are stigmatized?
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Why would I you are stuck on your opinion. No need in going back and forth with you.

Did I ever say this woman was absolved of guilt?

Did I ever say I applauded this woman?

Find me VERBATIM where I did.

And honestly wondering, do you have any idea why sexual assault and its victims are stigmatized?

Go find your girl Bruh or just go to sleep.
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About to start up the NT Finest 2.0 draft soon. Would like to setup a time for the draft and who all going to play from last season 8o

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Why would I you are stuck on your opinion. No need in going back and forth with you.

Did I ever say this woman was absolved of guilt?

Did I ever say I applauded this woman?

Find me VERBATIM where I did.

And honestly wondering, do you have any idea why sexual assault and its victims are stigmatized?

Go find your girl Bruh or just go to sleep.

 

Son chooses NOW to get on his soapbox. Right after a black man was absolved of a shameless false rape accusation. Good timing bruh.

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Whoa. Woj’s report on Rubio and the #Timberwolves says Thibs expects Dunn to take over as starter about 20 games into the season...

"I apologize, turns out it was not the Thunder's year.  I wish they hadn't played the games"

 

 

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Female jurors said they wanted to believe Doe "We really tried to believe her we tried our hardest" but in the end her story "didn't add up"
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I guess these women also suffer from toxic masculinity? Dude seems like he didn't keep up with the case at all and had his mind made up before any facts were presented. Chick got caught up in lie after lie after lie and even admitted to trying to extort rose for $269 dollars prior to this case. A friend and ex-roomate who was sexually assaulted (and actually bothered to get a rape kit and go to police) called her a liar and morally wrong for doing this. Just stop it bruh
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Whoa. Woj’s report on Rubio and the #Timberwolves says Thibs expects Dunn to take over as starter about 20 games into the season...

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*Keeps Chris Dunn in mind for FanDuel sleeper picks*
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I guess these women also suffer from toxic masculinity? Dude seems like he didn't keep up with the case at all and had his mind made up before any facts were presented. Chick got caught up in lie after lie after lie and even admitted to trying to extort rose for $269 dollars prior to this case. A friend and ex-roomate who was sexually assaulted (and actually bothered to get a rape kit and go to police) called her a liar and morally wrong for doing this. Just stop it bruh

Exactly.

All dude is saying is Rose is an idiot.

An idiot does not = a rapist

Could Rose use some educating on Rape Culture and consent in general? Absolutely. We all could....and should.

But in this situation....it was proven by witnesses, testimony etc that shorty was a pathological liar in for this for a comeup.

That is damaging to the women who actually go thru sexual assault and don't report it....and the men that are unjustly behind bars or outta hard earned money over false allegations.
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Ricky needs to end up on the spurs
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