Why do people keep saying bad guys finish first nice guys last?

GInfante said:
So far:

Laws of Seduction
Mode One


What else is out there? :nerd:
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You still have to put in work if you're the Bad Guy, chico..

The Rational Male is my favorite.

But at least to me, it really comes down to finding yourself and where you are in terms of coming of age. Sometimes it means removing yourself from your community to figure it out in order to be a leader among men.

You can read all the content you want but the long term success begins with understanding and developing your inner confidence. So much so that it will radiate outwards naturally. Only until then can you make moves within your social hierarchy.

No one's perfect man, it is a constant struggle to frame and re-frame.
 
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It's interesting to get insight on the nuances of dating. Some are naturals, some are not. Regardless, some people just find social interaction interesting.

Bang by roosh v is a good read.

It legit makes zero sense to me how girls want dudes that treat girls like crap and expect to not get burned. I think it's because women get their behind's kissed so much that they feel invincible and untouchable so they want to tame a wild lion.

American women are highly protected but barely respected. Kills me how they actually say we shouldn't take everything they say seriously because they can be emotional.... then got the nerve to get mad when we don't take them seriously at times.
 
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4one5 said:
Nothing wrong with reading if you're still going out and approaching women. Reading helps with finding holes in your game.
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This.

I think in anything, if you want to get better at your craft you gotta practice, make mental notes from your mistakes, and try different ways to tweak/modify.

To some extent I think people enjoy people watching and/or social interaction. I just find that when dudes become awakened from Red Pill content, some of them go off in the deep end and forget that it's meant to build a foundation to at least be apart of the game. Something to personalize over time.

I remember a friend of mine talking about his number of approaches one day. To which I replied I didn't care, that he sounded like a robot and that he sizing up women like Dragonball: "Level 9000!" What an idiot. :lol:
 
Some good stuff in here, also some of the typical responses you'd expect on NT.

Having said that, if you're looking for more than a smash friend, no matter what approach you take, BE YOUR *** DAMN SELF!

If you're an anus, go be an anus (just not right away :lol:)

If you're "nice", go be nice, just don't be a walkover.

There's bound to be someone out there that's like it just how you bring it.

I do think insecurity in general is an epidemic in our society, people let what other people think of them outweigh what they think about themselves.
 
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because it's not false in any demonstrable way.

you get what you can negotiate in life, and nice people don't negotiate effectively.
 
Andretti said:
read this.

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Awhile back I was seeing a 22 year old college girl. Every time we ****** she'd tear my back apart with her nails, then when it was over she'd lay in the fetal position at the foot of my bed naked and start crying uncontrollably and loud. We're talking loud deep sobbing. I'd pull her up to the head of the bed, put the blanket over her, put my arm around her and she'd cry herself to sleep.

The next morning she'd be joking with me about it. "Bet you've never had a crier before?" with a huge smile on her face. This happened every time. Sometimes she's say things over and over again while crying like "I missed you" or "I don't want to hurt you". One time I wanted to **** again but she was still crying so I ****** her while she was crying. Typing this out is making me realize how ****** up this was lol.
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read some the comments LOL WTH?!?!
 
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cosmiccoffee9 said:
because it's not false in any demonstrable way.

you get what you can negotiate in life, and nice people don't negotiate effectively.
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So much truth to this except for the art or negotiating is and can be an acquired skill or talent, it can even be natural. There really isn't a personality trait associated with being an effective negotiator.
 
A lot of guys think being a nice guy = being a pushover, simp, giving a girl whatever and everything she wants.

Being a nice guy means not being an *******. Don't be a scumbag. But don't be a pushover.

Some of these guys do whatever it takes to get the girl, and women are like ******* wolves. They smell the blood, b. You can't be bending over backwards and become a doormat for someone.

Be a NICE GUY. Be a genuine nice person to your standards. Say no when you don't agree with something or if you're not feeling something, say yes when you are. Nice gestures and nice gift to show affection because YOU WANT to show affection because you GENUINELY are interested in a female and want her to feel wanted by you, but not because you think you can buy her. Thats simp 101.

Confidence + personality + humor + just all around not being a scumbag will get you where you want to be.

Also, a lot of these cats think too damn much. It creates intimidation and a "she's out of my league" mindset. So they panic and start doing things they THINK will get them where they want to be. Where as if you're just natural about it and go into it just like you would go at it doing anything else in life, you'll be good. If **** doesn't work out with that particular person, oh well. Move on. Theres more women on this planet than men. And I guarantee you women appreciate a natural organic relationship more than a relationship built on all the **** you schemed and purchased to win her over.

If you gotta "win" a chick over, you already lost.


KingKoopa said:
Yall really out here reading books to get yambs?

:lol: **** goin on!?!?
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Cats need fathers.
 
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Slighted said:
So you gonna slander the #NTMerona fam like that?
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:rofl:

Nah b I have some Merona shirts. My point is you can wear designer or hand me downs and the average girl wouldn't notice, you just gotta take pride in your presentation.
 
Here are some words of wisdom that was passed down to me from my father:

"What does a train, bus and woman have in common? There's always another one coming"

"If you dress well and smell good, someone is going to like you"

"Be true to who you are. Always carefully say what's on your mind. Mean what you say, say what you mean"

"If you say you're going to do something, make sure you do it"

This is pretty much all the advice you need regarding women. I've lived by these words my entire life and I can confidently say that I've never had problems meeting women. Am I batting 1.000? No one ever does, but I can damn sure say I've always engaged a woman's attention. That's really all you can ask for. The rest is up to chemistry and natural attraction, which won't happen all the time.
 
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NT always keeping it real :pimp:

This discussion is definitely healthy for the young cats lurking or whoever is stuck in this predicament.

Been "friend zoned", still happens, but I get on with it fast. Really, accept that not all women will be attracted to you. Not every women has to be your candidate or vice versa.

With that said, I've been with many types, been turned down many times. It's all part of it. Learn to be your best self for yourself first and foremost. Getting girls just comes with it. We put too much thought into it and strategize on how to win when you should be winning for yourself. If it ain't your wifey or soul mate and you already putting your foot all the way forward, or thinking of some game plan, you lost. In simple terms, stop giving a **** and do you


PRIME said:
If you gotta "win" a chick over, you already lost.
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Man you said it all for me already
 
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Hank Scorpio said:
Here are some words of wisdom that was passed down to me from my father:

"What does a train, bus and woman have in common? There's always another one coming"

"If you dress well and smell good, someone is going to like you"

"Be true to who you are. Always carefully say what's on your mind. Mean what you say, say what you mean"

"If you say you're going to do something, make sure you do it"

This is pretty much all the advice you need regarding women. I've lived by these words my entire life and I can confidently say that I've never had problems meeting women. Am I batting 1.000? No one ever does, but I can damn sure say I've always engaged a woman's attention. That's really all you can ask for. The rest is up to chemistry and natural attraction, which won't happen all the time.
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Thanks for sharing that with us.
 
PRIME PRIME If you gotta "win" a chick over, you already lost.

Truer words have never been spoken
 
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