da OG muscle car era is returning VOL Buh-bye CAFE laws

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its happening already :pimp:

NOVEMBER 11
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Automakers ask Trump not to make them produce electric cars in first lobbying effort since election
Fred Lambert - 2 days ago @FredericLambert
ELECTRIC CARS

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Not even two days after Donald Trump’s election, automakers have started their lobbying effort to weaken the requirements for fuel consumption reduction. The current goal is for a fleet average of more than 50 mpg by 2025, which would require automakers to produce more electric vehicles in their fleet to compensate for popular gas-guzzling pickup trucks and SUVs.

In a letter sent to Trump’s transition team yesterday, a powerful automaker lobbying group claims automakers cannot produce zero-emission cars at a competitive price and asks to lower the requirements for them to comply.


The group in question, Alliance of Automobile Manufacturers, represents almost every major automaker with US operations except Tesla.

In the letter obtained by Automotive News, Alliance CEO Mitch Bainwol wrote:

“The combination of low gas prices and the existing fuel efficiency gains from the early years of the program is undercutting consumer willingness to buy the vehicles with more expensive alternative powertrains that are necessary for the sector to comply with the more stringent standards in out-years,”

Bainwol argues that demand for “alternative powertrains” (aka electric cars) is not strong enough for automakers to achieve fuel consumption requirements.

The Union of Concerned Scientists and Consumers Union surveyed car buyers in the US earlier this year and found that a strong majority of buyers are interested in electric cars. While another study from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology concluded that electric cars provide enough range for 87 percent of drivers on America’s roads.

The CEO of the Alliance of Automobile Manufacturers continued in his letter to Trump:

“As car prices rise, it becomes vital to look at the full cost of regulatory initiatives. Well-meaning regulatory action risks increasing compliance costs to the point that additional safety and fuel-efficiency technologies put new vehicles out of financial reach of the average new car purchaser.”

On one side, most of the same automakers represented by the alliance claim to be heavily investing in electric cars and they publicly agree that electrification is the future of transport, but on the other hand, their top lobbyists are asking to reduce the requirements that apparently prompt those investments.

Additionally, the alliance wants for the federal authorities to consider the costs they have already incurred from California’s zero-emission mandate, which already successfully pushed some automakers to produced more electric cars.

Apparently, automakers want the federal government to consider their effort at the state level, Automotive News reports:

“The trade group also wants costs incurred from California’s zero-emission vehicle sales mandates to be considered in the midterm evaluation of the national mpg program. They currently are not factored in.”

During the campaign, Trump said that he plan to review all fuel consumption regulations and to place a moratorium on all new regulations. Considering California is also due to revise its ZEV mandate, it will certainly be an interesting situation to follow at both state and federal levels.
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https://electrek.co/2016/11/11/auto...cars-in-first-lobbying-effort-since-election/
 
As much as I think all this pollution isn't good for the long run, I still think it's dumb to have to regulate what car manufacturers can and can't make
 
Halftime said:
As much as I think all this pollution isn't good for the long run, I still think it's dumb to have to regulate what car manufacturers can and can't make
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especially when da public votes with their wallets, and they want trucks, and SUV's.
 
I suppose that sounds like good news for those who want to go back to 1950's society in all its racist, sexist, homophobic, "father knows best", sexually insecure machismo "glory", but I wouldn't expect too many new vehicles to rival the inefficiency and noxious-fume production of those antiquated muscle cars.

Even in the absence of CAFE standards, emissions standards could still put a damper on any "Road Warrior" fantasies. 

While any federal emissions standards under "review" serve as a national safety net or floor for minimum fuel efficiency, states still have the opportunity to employ stricter standards.  Sixteen states, including New York, New Jersey, Connecticut, Maine, Massachusetts, Vermont, Pennsylvania, Maryland, and Washington, D.C., currently follow California emissions standards.  

It's difficult to imagine many car manufacturers producing new vehicles that can't be sold in 16 states, Canada, or the EU - particularly when there's no guarantee that science-deniers will hold sway at the EPA for more than a few years.  Those so inclined will likely have to settle for an older vehicle.

Most economists believe that gasoline consumption taxes are FAR more effective at curbing vehicular emissions than CAFE standards - and states also have the opportunity to adjust those as well.  https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...effective-as-stricter-fuel-economy-standards/

While CAFE standards affected new vehicles and, thus, those who can afford them, the poor would be disproportionately impacted by increased gas taxes.  Beyond a general desire to fight back at environmental deregulation, coastal states in particular may decide to increase gas taxes simply as an act of self-preservation.  Coastal flooding is a reality, not a hoax perpetrated by China:  http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/04/s...by-global-warming-has-already-begun.html?_r=0

This to say: any budget ballers itching to tool around in a Humvee might have to move to Missouri.  

Aside from an adolescent "you can't tell me what to do, Mom" mentality, I admit I don't really see the appeal.  Even the anti-science crowd can acknowledge the reality of smog.  

I know there are people out there who are, for whatever reason, fascinated by outdated technology.  Some people still love typewriters, vacuum tube radios, or World War II aircraft.  Personally, I find new technology more interesting.  

Take self-driving technology, for example:





Why live in the past when the future is so very bright?
 
yo meth, u know im also a mechanic right? u don't put all ur eggs in one basket...try again :lol:
 
ninjahood said:
yo meth, u know im also a mechanic right? u don't put all ur eggs in one basket...try again
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Didn't know, don't care.  Your life is neither my concern nor my problem.  Your actions on NikeTalk, however, are.  You've been trolling heavy the past few days.  That ends now.  

You can stop it or I can. 
 
oh, and last time i checked? da EPA bout to be demoted as a department into a bipartisan subcommittee..

looking real dicey for those Carbon Dioxide crusaders. 8)
 
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oh, and last time i checked? da EPA bout to be demoted as a department into a bipartisan subcommittee..

looking real dicey for those Carbon Dioxide crusaders.
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The EPA doesn't override or supersede state policies on emissions or gasoline taxes, among other things.

Or are you only "states rights" when it comes to abetting civil rights violations?

Somebody needs to take the battery out of your back.  You're trying/trolling too hard. 
 
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ninjahood said:
yo meth, u know im also a mechanic right? u don't put all ur eggs in one basket...try again :lol:
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Didn't know, don't care.  Your life is neither my concern nor my problem.  Your actions on NikeTalk, however, are.  You've been trolling heavy the past few days.  That ends now.  

You can stop it or I can. 
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yo meth, u took a Jay-Z/Drake sub no sub..what im posed to not call u out on it? :lol:

and describing my views & vantage point as "trolling" is beneath me.

maybe if u actually controlled da trolling against me, i wouldn't be reveling in my enemies's grief.

just saying.
 
Methodical Management said:
ninjahood said:
oh, and last time i checked? da EPA bout to be demoted as a department into a bipartisan subcommittee..


looking real dicey for those Carbon Dioxide crusaders. 8)
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The EPA doesn't override or supersede state policies on emissions or gasoline taxes, among other things.
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that's not what da Obama administration felt like it when Arizona took it upon itself to enforce their own immigration laws and da Feds told em to cut it out.

so im sure we'll how all this plays out come January..
 
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Methodical Management said:
 
ninjahood said:
yo meth, u know im also a mechanic right? u don't put all ur eggs in one basket...try again
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Didn't know, don't care.  Your life is neither my concern nor my problem.  Your actions on NikeTalk, however, are.  You've been trolling heavy the past few days.  That ends now.  

You can stop it or I can. 
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yo meth, u took a Jay-Z/Drake sub no sub..what im posed to not call u out on it?
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and describing my views & vantage point as "trolling" is beneath me.

maybe if u actually controlled da trolling against me, i wouldn't be reveling in my enemies's grief.

just saying.
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Trolling is beneath you?  I have access to every post you've made.  I see very little that's "beneath you."  

I'm not personally responsible for your hurt feelings on a message board.  The staff has taken action many, many times in response your user reports - and you know that - but our team is not your human shield.  

You don't get to troll people every day and then come crying when they clap back.  That's just asking us to help you troll.  If the staff is going to intervene, the task is to resolve the problem.  You are the antagonist.  You are a BIG part of that problem.  If you want us to warn the people who've insulted you - and I've personally done so on dozens of occasions in the past couple of months alone - then we also need to address the root issue.  

Right now, the root issue is your decision to deliberately antagonize people.  That is, by definition, trolling.  

The victory lap ends now.  Clear? 
 
You don't get to troll people every day and then come crying when they clap back
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...u used to never let me clap back before and u warned me for giving it back as much as i got it..i think that old PM u sent me years indicated as much, all i did was do what u asked me to.

The victory lap ends now. Clear?
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i took almost a year of incoming Trump fire, ill chill...but that spirit bomb had to be dropped [emoji]9732[/emoji]
 
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You don't get to troll people every day and then come crying when they clap back
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...u used to never let me clap back before and u warned me for giving it back as much as i got it..i think that old PM u sent me years indicated as much, all i did was do what u asked me to.
The victory lap ends now. Clear?
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i took almost a year of incoming Trump fire, ill chill...but that spirit bomb had to be dropped [emoji]9732[/emoji]
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Again, I'm not saying that anyone has the right to insult you.  Ryda can tell you as much, as he has a warning PM from me in his inbox right now.  

You also saw that I personally intervened in the politics thread to ask people to stop insulting you and others.  I don't think it's acceptable for people to attack someone because of their living conditions - and I find it hypocritical for those who consider themselves progressive to taunt those who require public assistance just to work in the cities where they live.  

You're entitled to your political beliefs.  NikeTalk values diversity.  That does not mean we allow hate speech, however, and it does not mean that we allow trolling.  

You admitted that your latest bout of topics is an attempt to antagonize other users.  That's proof enough that what you're doing is not acceptable.  

Nobody has the right to insult you.   You don't have the right to insult anyone else.  If somebody insults you out of the blue, they are 100% in the wrong.  

But you don't get to troll to provoke a reaction, then ask the staff to go ban all your "enemies" because you provoked a reaction.  In such a situation, you'll be banned and everyone else will be warned, because you're the root of that problem. 
 
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So Ninja has been calling us emasculated liberals while he is also mass reporting posts that hurt his feelings? Interesting
 
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Ryda421 said:
now it is clear who has been reporting. thank you meth
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That's not an accurate assumption.  We ask users to report posts when they're insulted rather than trying to "fight fire with fire" and compound the problem, but multiple users reported posts associated with him and the political thread - and the staff has been proactive about monitoring "conflict zones" as best they can.  

On forums as large as ours, we need to rely on user reporting - but the team isn't passive.  We're out here actively trying to keep things safe, friendly, and respectful.  If you received a warning, it's just as likely that a staff member discovered the issue on their own. 
 
I just find it funny that the dude who calls NTers "wussies", "weenies", "crybabies", etc. in every post for not accepting Trump's insulting language is also abusing the report button for the slightest negative comment
 
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