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If we could get rid of ellsbury cash deserves GM of the year! I'd rather keep Gardner than Ellsbury.
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And I'd rather try closer by committee with our guys than over pay for Chapman.
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Eovaldi was DFA'd

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If we could get rid of ellsbury cash deserves GM of the year! I'd rather keep Gardner than Ellsbury.

Ellsbury is the better leadoff guy. Gardner has the better contract.

nonetheless Jacoby has a no trade clause.
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Eovaldi was DFA'd

Wouldn't be surprised if he's brought back on a rehab-type deal; don't forget he's missing all of 2017.
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The Yankees have received trade inquiries about both third baseman Chase Headley and left fielder Brett Gardner, GM Brian Cashman told reporters (including MLB.com’s Bryan Hoch). “They’re still here and they’re here for a reason, but we’ll see,” Cashman said. “We have our interest in getting younger and stronger and more flexible, and improve our present and our future. If all that provides that opportunity, then I think I’ll be talking to our owner and see if he’ll consider it.”
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post #38 of 268
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Sign Cespedes you jerk !
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post #39 of 268
We need to get Ellsbury and Gardner the **** out. Especially Gardner.
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Ken Rosenthal Article
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The Yankees are positioned to make major moves
Brian Cashman and the Bronx Bombers have a lot of chips

By Ken Rosenthal
Nov 19, 2016 at 4:49p ET
Every time I hear Brian Cashman utter his cryptic mantra, “We’re open to anything,” the same thought enters my head:

“Uh-oh, here come the Yankees.”

The team’s payroll flexibility is increasing. Its farm system is one of the game’s best. And its average home attendance declined by nearly 5,000 per game from 2014 to ’16.

Is this the profile of a club that is going to spend the next two seasons evaluating its young talent while awaiting the great free-agent class of 2018-19?

Not likely.

We know the Yankees are interested in signing free-agent closer Aroldis Chapman and designated hitter Carlos Beltran, and engaged on virtually every other free agent and trade possibility.

We know, from major-league sources, that they also want to beef up the rest of their bullpen. And we know, from Cashman’s latest comments, that they are drawing trade inquiries on outfielder Brett Gardner and third baseman Chase Headley.

Simply re-signing Chapman and Beltran would enable the Yankees to look at Greg Bird and Tyler Austin at first base next season, and Aaron Hicks and Aaron Judge in right field. Adding a quality setup type with Chapman would give them a variation of the three-headed bullpen monster that they had in the first four months of last season -- Dellin Betances, Andrew Miller and Chapman.

But why would Cashman stop there?

The Yankees scored 680 runs last season, 12th in the American League, and the subtractions of Beltran, Brian McCann, Alex Rodriguez and Mark Teixeira cost them 66 of their 183 home runs (36 percent).

The return of Beltran alone would not be enough to boost the offense, particularly as the Yankees integrate younger players. A trade of Gardner would create additional flexibility and clear left field for say, Yoenis Cespedes.

A run at first baseman Edwin Encarnacion would seem less likely, particularly if he remains insistent on a four- or five-year deal as he turns 34. But what if Encarnacion would take three years at monster dollars? Becomes more appealing, right?

The offense, though, is just one of the Yankees’ issues. Their rotation is full of questions, and the free-agent market for starters, as we all know, is rather thin.

In Jan. 2015, I wrote that the Yankees had improved their farm system to the point where they had enough talent to trade for Cole Hamels, who was then with the Phillies. Since then, the Yankees have traded Miller, Chapman, Beltran and McCann, acquiring one quality prospect after another.

Their system is deep enough for them to acquire the White Sox’s Chris Sale, the Rays’ Chris Archer or any other starting pitcher who is available in trade. Maybe the Yankees will decide that the acquisition costs are too high for them to act this offseason. But at some point, inevitably, they’re going to strike.

The only question is when

Financially let's look at it

Catcher
McCann $17,000,000
Sanchez -$550,000
McCann Trade -5,500,000

Gain $10,950,000


First Base
Mark Teixeira $22,500,000
Greg Bird -550,000

Gained $21,950,000


Nathan Eovaldi projected arbitration $7,000,000
Sign him for a small 1st year, big 2nd -$1,000,000

Gained $6,000,000


Miller $9,000,000
Betances -$3,400,000 (projected arbitration)

Gained $5,600,000




We have $44.5 mil GAINED in salaries (That's not including Chapman ($11.325), Beltran ($15mil) and if we trade Gardner ($12.5mil) which would put us at $81.325 mil LESS in salaries


In that $81.325 mil, is Hal really saying that we can't afford
1. pay Chapman to come back at an extra $4.675mil, at $16mil a season
2. Cespedes to replace Gardner at an extra $12.5mil, at $25mil a season
3. pay Beltran to come back for 1 more season at an extra $3mil, at $18mil for 1 year


We'd still be an extra $22.325 mil less than all the salaries we had last year... With CC & ARod coming off the books at $46mil combined at the end of the year.
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post #41 of 268
These dudes really just want to wait and give Harper a 350 mill contract and call it a day seems like
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"#Yankees are going to get either Encarnacion or Cespedes. They may get both, and that wouldn't surprise me." - @JimBowden_ESPN

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post #43 of 268
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Cashman an NTer ? Am I Cashman?


I'm skeptical of Encarnacion because he'll be 34, and I've seen projected 5 year deals thrown out.

But Cespedes fits perfectly for getting us into the playoffs now, and the rebuild.

2016: Trade Gardner, move Cespedes to LF, Beltran is DH
2017: Call up Clint Fraizer put him in CF, move Ellsbury to LF, Cespedes moves to DH with Beltran retiring
2018-2020: Cespedes at DH
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Did anyone else see the post article with Phil Hughes Trolling ARod on twitter lol
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"#Yankees are going to get either Encarnacion or Cespedes. They may get both, and that wouldn't surprise me." - @JimBowden_ESPN

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post #46 of 268
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Just read an article that said Yankees shouldn't chase any position player FAs because of the young guys. Even if you trade Gardner.

Also Cespedes and Encarnacion would cost us a draft pick. Not like we're a top 3 Farm System and need to hit on every draft pick. SMH

My blood was boiling reading that. As if you can't move somebody to DH
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post #47 of 268
Chapman, Encarnacion, and Cespedes with team options in the 4th year for Encarnacion and Cespedes would make me do backflips
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post #48 of 268
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Read an even dumber article from CBS, a five step plan to getting Bryce Harper.

Not only don't spend.

But we should trade Tanaka and Betances.

Because Bryce Harper will want to join a young team that wins 65-70 games a season.
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We're really the A's now mean.gifindifferent.gif

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post #50 of 268
I don't think these beat writers and columnist know how to deal with the Yankees who have an elite farm system and who aren't just handing out 100 mill contracts anymore. It's like their going crazy
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post #51 of 268
What about Napoli?
post #52 of 268
Aroldis wants to come back. Publicly stated it.
Edited by Ecook0808 - 11/22/16 at 3:14pm
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post #53 of 268
Not for that price tag
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Have wanted Kenley since the start.
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post #55 of 268
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Sign Chapman. Get it done and over with.

Don't care about money if it's to do something positive. Not going to get what he wants either way, can find the middle ground of what he wants and what we want to give.

The closer market is going to increase rapidly in the next couple of years.
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post #56 of 268
Prefer Jansen because he'll command less money & he doesn't have a history of domestic violence.

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post #57 of 268
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Doubt it will be much less. Jon Heyman has it at
5/$75m for Jensen
5/$85m for Chapman

Jensen costs a pick. Chapman does not
Edited by Essential1 - 11/22/16 at 3:53pm
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post #58 of 268
That draft pick really doesn't mean much since our farm system is strong.

Either way, get one of then. I don't know why but Betances is better as the 8th inning guy.

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post #59 of 268
Don't care about the pick, prefer Kenley the entire way. Save us the 10-15 mil.
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post #60 of 268
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It matters if we go after Cespedes and Encarnacion as well.

Then we lose 3 rounds of draft picks.

I just prefer Chapman because he netted us those prospects. We traded him and still wants to be in NY. My kind of team player.
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