Lebron and his "posse"

cashbanks · Nov 17, 2016

Cedric Ceballos said:
For the Trump part, I'll give you that. For Phil, could care less who he coached. Those previous statements weren't the best choice of words. I wouldn't argue any criticism on those. But the posse thing is a total reach. I got some friends who are wealthy, that are white, Spanish, and black. I'll refer to them as my homies, posse etc without even thinking at all about the negative connotation of it because there is none. They're wealthy, successful friends of mine who happened to be in the same circle of mine growing up.

thats the thing is it's not just the"posse thing"

he has a history, when does it become ok to call him on it?

And what you call your friends and what you call people you dont know or interact with i would hope are different

harlemtothebronx · Nov 17, 2016

Cedric Ceballos said:
For the Trump part, I'll give you that. For Phil, could care less who he coached. Those previous statements weren't the best choice of words. I wouldn't argue any criticism on those. But the posse thing is a total reach. I got some friends who are wealthy, that are white, Spanish, and black. I'll refer to them as my homies, posse etc without even thinking at all about the negative connotation of it because there is none. They're wealthy, successful friends of mine who happened to be in the same circle of mine growing up.

Now how would you feel if, in an effort to project the difficulties of working with you and your friends, someone who is not a part of your inner circle referred to you all as a posse?

lamekilla · Nov 17, 2016

So have we come to the agreement that posse is a negative term?

cedric ceballos · Nov 17, 2016

daddy style said:
So checking white people for saying inflammatory things is fake outrage now?

Typical NT. Take bits and pieces of someone's post and put words into someone's mouth. And maybe we have different perceptions of the concept of checking someone.

If someone said something I took the wrong way, I would be a man and confront them on it. Not necessarily in a physical manner, but I'd let them know how I feel and why I took exception to their words personally rather than making a big stink through the media. Maybe that concept doesn't work well in today's society though.

harlemtothebronx · Nov 17, 2016

lamekilla said:
So have we come to the agreement that posse is a negative term?

Context is important.

In the context of Phil's quote, he was making disparaging comments.

If the subject of discussion isn't negative, maybe the reaction is different.

Phil chose to use the words that he did in the way that he did.

cashbanks · Nov 17, 2016

lamekilla said:
The players he coached and the sport he coached are embedded in black culture. Not to say that gives him a pass but he's not making baseless assertion when it comes to basketball. His comments pertain to basketball, not black people in society. Again condescending, yes. Generational gap, yes. Racial, no. Maybe its just me but all of Phil's success came from working closely with blacks. If he felt some type of way about us we'd have more than just tongue in cheek quotes to base that off of...

Well thats probably why he made the comments because he feels comfortable commenting on black culture. Don't know where that comfort would come from if he didn't spend a lot of time with black culture, which is evident. I mean don't get me wrong, you can work everyday with someone/something and hate it but to what extent? Especially when your whole legacy is intertwined with ours.

Clearly. Lebron gets too many passes these days. Waiting for Michael Jordan to make more negative comments about bron so bron can be at his neck too.

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sfc415 · Nov 17, 2016

lamekilla said:
So have we come to the agreement that posse is a negative term?

It's the context. If I'm just at the bar with my friends, calling us a posse means nothing. In this context, as many people have stated, it makes it seem like they're not professionals, which is not the case

cedric ceballos · Nov 17, 2016

HarlemToTheBronx said:
Now how would you feel if, in an effort to project the difficulties of working with you and your friends, someone who is not a part of your inner circle referred to you all as a posse?

I wouldn't speak for my friends. If they took exception to it, I'd be on the same page. But something's hit a spot with maverick that goes beyond this.

Who knows how his business career would've panned out if he never met Lebron.

But having the golden ticket is going to get you up for scrutiny and criticism no matter who you are. If you're born into wealth, you're not going to be perceived in the same way as someone who is self made even if you work hard and do everything to prove your worth.

If his body of work speaks for itself, that "he's only where he's it because he's Lebrons boy" mindset will be minimized and have no credibility.

daddy style · Nov 17, 2016

lamekilla said:
The players he coached and the sport he coached are embedded in black culture. Not to say that gives him a pass but he's not making baseless assertion when it comes to basketball. His comments pertain to basketball, not black people in society. Again condescending, yes. Generational gap, yes. Racial, no. Maybe its just me but all of Phil's success came from working closely with blacks. If he felt some type of way about us we'd have more than just tongue in cheek quotes to base that off of...

Those athletes are embedded in black SPORTS culture. There would be a difference if Phil were on the board of an educational institution where discussions of black sociology were taking place, but then he'd be smart enough to know that there is no place for his opinion. Unfortunately his guffaw makes him seem to be nothing more than the stereotypical white male.

Armada · Nov 17, 2016

Cedric Ceballos said:
daddy style said:

So checking white people for saying inflammatory things is fake outrage now?

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Typical NT. Take bits and pieces of someone's post and put words into someone's mouth. And maybe we have different perceptions of the concept of checking someone.

If someone said something I took the wrong way, I would be a man and confront them on it. Not necessarily in a physical manner, but I'd let them know how I feel and why I took exception to their words personally rather than making a big stink through the media. Maybe that concept doesn't work well in today's society though.

Phil Jackson put his statements out in the public so Maverick, Carter and Lebron can speak their mind on him in public as well. If Phil didn't want this in the public he shouldn't have said it in an interview

cedric ceballos · Nov 17, 2016

But the best way to solve this is for them to be adults and talk about it directly to each other in person.

Last I checked the Knicks play the Cavs on December 7th. If Lebron and Maverick Carter are really as upset as they say they are, why not use this as an opportunity to confront and check Phil on what he said and let them know why they took exception to it and why they felt slighted by it.

If Phil is dismissive towards them or ducks them. Than by all means F that guy and he deserves whatever scrutiny he gets. But if what he said bothered them so much, why not confront the man on it in person rather than through the media.

cedric ceballos · Nov 17, 2016

An Armada said:
Phil Jackson put his statements out in the public so Maverick, Carter and Lebron can speak their mind on him in public as well. If Phil didn't want this in the public he shouldn't have said it in an interview

Fair enough. But the Knicks play the Cavs on December 7th. How they interact in a setting like that where there is opportunity for a person to person conversation between the two parties will give me an idea of how sincere the outrage is.

daddy style · Nov 17, 2016

Cedric Ceballos said:
Typical NT. Take bits and pieces of someone's post and put words into someone's mouth. And maybe we have different perceptions of the concept of checking someone.

If someone said something I took the wrong way, I would be a man and confront them on it. Not necessarily in a physical manner, but I'd let them know how I feel and why I took exception to their words personally rather than making a big stink through the media. Maybe that concept doesn't work well in today's society though.

Typical nt, what does that mean? Phil Jackson is a white man who lives with white privilege. Since he does live with that privilege, on display right here is how that privilege does him no favors. He comes off aloof, unaware, and very simple minded. It should be a big stink, because he obviously meant what he said.

mvp07 · Nov 17, 2016

HarlemToTheBronx said:
Context is important.

In the context of Phil's quote, he was making disparaging comments.

If the subject of discussion isn't negative, maybe the reaction is different.

Phil chose to use the words that he did in the way that he did.

If you are talking about the overall context of the statement, the word "posse" is the last thing you should focus on. Phill was net picking on Lebron's "diva" like attitude and his request for special privileges (Such as: delaying the team travel so that he can stay one night more in Cleveland). Again, Phill is budding into something he should not have (IE: Lebron J, AKA mega superstar - well deserved special privileges). This has nothing to do with lamenting Lebron's support group in a negative manner.

addict4sneakers · Nov 17, 2016

SFC415 said:
lamekilla said:

So have we come to the agreement that posse is a negative term?

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It's the context. If I'm just at the bar with my friends, calling us a posse means nothing. In this context, as many people have stated, it makes it seem like they're not professionals, which is not the case

lamekilla · Nov 17, 2016

HarlemToTheBronx said:
Context is important.

In the context of Phil's quote, he was making disparaging comments.

If the subject of discussion isn't negative, maybe the reaction is different.

Phil chose to use the words that he did in the way that he did.

The context of the word was accurate though. Phil doesn't know Rich, Maverick or any of those other dudes. Aint none of them playing ball, but they're on the road with the team. So to him what are they other than lebron's crew? His teammates? He could've said friends or business associates but he clearly disapproved of it which is why he was speaking on it. Again, condescending YES. Racial, no.
Wonder if Shaq thinks Phil is racist

SFC415 said:
It's the context. If I'm just at the bar with my friends, calling us a posse means nothing. In this context, as many people have stated, it makes it seem like they're not professionals, which is not the case

Again, condescending? Clearly it was. Racial though? C'mon y'all, we aint this sensitive

harlemtothebronx · Nov 17, 2016

MvP07 said:
HarlemToTheBronx said:

Context is important.

In the context of Phil's quote, he was making disparaging comments.

If the subject of discussion isn't negative, maybe the reaction is different.

Phil chose to use the words that he did in the way that he did.

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If you are talking about the overall context of the statement, the word "posse" is the last thing you should focus on. Phill was net picking on Lebron's "diva" like attitude and his request for special privileges (Such as: delaying the team travel so that he can stay one night more in Cleveland). Again, Phill is budding into something he should not have (IE: Lebron J, AKA mega superstar - well deserved special privileges). This has nothing to do with lamenting Lebron's support group in a negative manner.

Intent vs. Impact.

I don't think he meant to, but he spoke out of turn in the opinion of the men he was talking about.

And I think it was done publicly intentionally to make a statement. Especially this past week.

daddy style · Nov 17, 2016

I don't know about any of you, but when anyone who is not from my culture makes an assumption about what they can say about my culture, I am going to be disturbed.

sfc415 · Nov 17, 2016

lamekilla said:
The context of the word was accurate though. Phil doesn't know Rich, Maverick or any of those other dudes. Aint none of them playing ball, but they're on the road with the team. So to him what are they other than lebron's crew? His teammates? He could've said friends or business associates but he clearly disapproved of it which is why he was speaking on it. Again, condescending YES. Racial, no.

Wonder if Shaq thinks Phil is racist

Again, condescending? Clearly it was. Racial though? C'mon y'all, we aint this sensitive

I have no idea whether this particular comment was racial or not. To me, it just sounds like salty behavior that stems from the Knicks being trash, but then when you read Phil's past comments, you start to wonder what other feelings are behind that posse statement. Is it out of touch old man talk or racist (or both :lol:

) ?

Armada · Nov 17, 2016

Cedric Ceballos said:
An Armada said:

Phil Jackson put his statements out in the public so Maverick, Carter and Lebron can speak their mind on him in public as well. If Phil didn't want this in the public he shouldn't have said it in an interview

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Fair enough. But the Knicks play the Cavs on December 7th. How they interact in a setting like that where there is opportunity for a person to person conversation between the two parties will give me an idea of how sincere the outrage is.

Phil has a history in making some sideways comments about things I don't believe he truly understands and those previous comments have a racial undertone I cannot ignore. He, Carter and Maverick don't need to prove to me how sincere their outrage is because like I said before Phil Jackson doesn't get the benefit of the doubt given his other comments.

cedric ceballos · Nov 17, 2016

daddy style said:
Typical nt, what does that mean? Phil Jackson is a white man who lives with white privilege. Since he does live with that privilege, on display right here is how that privilege does him no favors. He comes off aloof, unaware, and very simple minded. It should be a big stink, because he obviously meant what he said.

Well if it is, why not confront him on it. If something offended me and not much does, I'd contact the person who said it directly for clarification.

And for the typical NT part. A lot of times niketalkers love to take a comment out of context and put words in the other persons mouth is if they're trying to speak for that respective person.

But for Phil. If he has a track record, that's fine, I won't argue that at all. But we can't dismiss Lebron having a track record of being sensitive as well. Like I said though. Phil and Lebron will be in the same building December 7th. Hopefully Maverick Carter as well. Hopefully they use that opportunity express themselves with respect to the whole "posse" thing.

daddy style · Nov 17, 2016

One of the games that white people play is that when they say something inappropriate describing another group of people, they go and get someone to run decoy for them, co signing them, and that person running decoy will be from that group that was offended. If Shaq says something for Phil Jackson in this case, he'd be making a mistake.

sfc415 · Nov 17, 2016

I'm not black, but it's embarrassing how Shaq and Barkley are two of white people's go-to guys for commentary on black athlete issues. These dudes can barely speak English and are black in skin color only.

cedric ceballos · Nov 17, 2016

An Armada said:
Phil has a history in making some sideways comments about things I don't believe he truly understands and those previous comments have a racial undertone I cannot ignore. He, Carter and Maverick don't need to prove to me how sincere their outrage is because like I said before Phil Jackson doesn't get the benefit of the doubt given his other comments.

Well that's your opinion and you're welcome to it. But unless they spoke beforehand prior to December 7th, I'm going to question their outrage if they don't confront Phil on the issue that night when they're all in the same building.

The posse line obviously hit a spot. These are all grown adults here, why not confront Phil and let him know why the posse line upset you and see how Phil responds. Like I said, if he's dismissive, by all means he deserves whatever hits it takes on his credibility. Who knows, maybe Phil will own up to it and give them a sincere apology. But either way, them discussing it in person will do more positive than any media back and forth will.

daddy style · Nov 17, 2016

Cedric Ceballos said:
Well if it is, why not confront him on it. If something offended me and not much does, I'd contact the person who said it directly for clarification.

And for the typical NT part. A lot of times niketalkers love to take a comment out of context and put words in the other persons mouth is if they're trying to speak for that respective person.

But for Phil. If he has a track record, that's fine, I won't argue that at all. But we can't dismiss Lebron having a track record of being sensitive as well. Like I said though. Phil and Lebron will be in the same building December 7th. Hopefully Maverick Carter as well. Hopefully they use that opportunity express themselves with respect to the whole "posse" thing.

Perceived sensitivity in sport is much different than being sensitive about race, wouldn't you say?

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