And So It Begins... The Normalization of White Supremacy (in the media)

Titanium Tea said:
No one takes them seriously anymore....I really dont
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So you feel the fear from other people is unwarranted?

It's not that they're about uplifting white men... America already does that, but OK. Whatevs. They can do them.

But you're okay with them feeling certain groups of people are inferior to them?

I know you can't change it, but you don't think guys like this can create a following that could harm others BECAUSE the group feels they're entitled to do so...?
 
:lol: a gift wrap turd from somewhere in the middle/south thinking he have an influence? DC gets those often actually, some work in the Senate as errand boys.

Tell bro, he would need to collect Koch level $$ and head to K street for his choice of lobby firms. Otherwise, he is just another no-body in the capital.
 
sneakaprince said:
And while that is a valid point. I'd rather national media avoid puff pieces to make hate and bigotry in America (or anywhere for that matter) an "everyday/ okay" thing.

I haven't read the article so it's unfair for me to judge but from the looks of it, this article makes it seem like these are just everyday guys. I gots and racist are monsters in my eyes. I don't want my kid to grow up in a world where they think "oh my neighbor a racist and that's okay"
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Racism is an everyday thing in this country. Ignoring it is what got us to this point. When people cried out about injusticy they were accused of using the "race card". Now that the racist and to come out and show their colors you want us to ignore them? Lol this is whats wrong with this country we want to continue to ignore issues until they explode and officially destroy this nation.
 
What does it matter if they met or not?

They share the same beliefs

Their encouragement aint enough?
 
handullz said:
So you feel the fear from other people is unwarranted?

It's not that they're about uplifting white men... America already does that, but OK. Whatevs. They can do them.

But you're okay with them feeling certain groups of people are inferior to them?

I know you can't change it, but you don't think guys like this can create a following that could harm others BECAUSE the group feels they're entitled to do so...?
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Certain groups can think whatever they want, if they are dumb enough to.

The traction they are gonna get in the western world now will be minimum at best. 

If they do get any traction,  a lot of it comes as a reaction to crime, rather than people not just wanting to live beside someone who doesnt look like them, as columbia would have the world believe.
 
Hand2HandKing said:
What does it matter if they met or not?

They share the same beliefs

Their encouragement aint enough?
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Just because you come to DC doesn't mean you'll meet with anyone of consequence. I live out here (NoVa) and I can tell you that there are always people gathering, protesting, roaming the halls of Congress, or the Capitol trying to get someone's ear. Them being out here means absolutely nothing.
 



If they do get any traction, a lot of it comes as a reaction to crime, rather than people not just wanting to live beside someone who doesnt look like them, as columbia would have the world believe.
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:lol: :lol:


I love how people are downplaying white supremacists feeling empowered due to this election. The FBI released statements on WS infiltrating law enforcement and the government but don't worry about these guys, it's just some dudes having a meeting.
 
Titanium Tea said:
Colombia said:
 
Perhaps you should take a closer look at the sudden massive spike in hate crimes and other racist incidents in the UK after the Brexit vote. Even now those numbers are still significantly higher than previous years. I'll make a more detailed post on it later with some statistics.
The Brexit campaign wasn't nearly as drenched in bigotry as Trump's campaign. For now it's too early to tell but it's a very realistic possibility that a similar rise will happen in the US. That shouldn't be ignored.
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I could also take a look at violent crime rates in areas that were essentially handed over by liberal politicians as well.
Betcha id see a spike. 
Sometimes individuals can be responsible for their own actions in life bro
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That is you sticking your foot in mouth again.

If you examined the way cities like Chicago are managed by the "democratic" administration, you'd see a lot of parallels with the national republican strategies: defunding of public schools and pushing charter schools, privatization of publoc assets (such as parking meters), cost cutting in public infrastructure, tax breaks for the "job creators," and a very visible but small violent crime footprint.

But I already know you're immune to facts, so I'll let you fantasize about the realities of those cities.
 
Gry60 said:
That is you sticking your foot in mouth again.

If you examined the way cities like Chicago are managed by the "democratic" administration, you'd see a lot of parallels with the national republican strategies: defunding of public schools and pushing charter schools, privatization of publoc assets (such as parking meters), cost cutting in public infrastructure, tax breaks for the "job creators," and a very visible but small violent crime footprint.

But I already know you're immune to facts, so I'll let you fantasize about the realities of those cities.
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Im immune to facts but Chicago has " a small violent crime footprint"?  I must have totally misinterpreted what you were trying to say.

Id have to imagine the murder capital rep does nothing for tourism.
 
Titanium Tea said:
Gry60 said:
That is you sticking your foot in mouth again.


If you examined the way cities like Chicago are managed by the "democratic" administration, you'd see a lot of parallels with the national republican strategies: defunding of public schools and pushing charter schools, privatization of publoc assets (such as parking meters), cost cutting in public infrastructure, tax breaks for the "job creators," and a very visible but small violent crime footprint.


But I already know you're immune to facts, so I'll let you fantasize about the realities of those cities.
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Im immune to facts but Chicago has " a small violent crime footprint"?  I must have totally misinterpreted what you were trying to say.
Id have to imagine the murder capital rep does nothing for tourism.
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"Visible but small footprint" as in you won't get jacked at noon in the middle of downtown, LP, lakeview, south loop, Jefferson Park, etc...

The areas that are always on the news because of gun violence are sections of the south and west sides, which are known to have the poorest populations in the city and where drug disputes are prevalent.
 
To expand on my previous post:

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/sep/07/hate-surged-after-eu-referendum-police-figures-show
 
Hate crime  surged in England, Wales and Northern Ireland in the second half of July – nearly a month after the EU referendum vote – and still remains at significantly higher levels than a year ago.

The latest set of figures quietly released by the National Police  Chiefs’ Council on Wednesday show a 49% rise in incidents to 1,863 in the last week in July when compared with the previous year. The week after saw a record 58% increase in recorded incidents to 1,787.

Jack Dromey, who was Labour’s shadow police minister for three years, said: “Many victims are still afraid to come forward and so the scale of attacks could be far higher than what is being reported. The UN said two weeks ago that the problem of underreporting hate crime persists in Britain and the government’s own hate-crime strategy sets out to increase the reporting of hate crime, acknowledging one of the biggest challenges to the police in tackling it,” he said.

Previously published official figures had revealed that there had been a 46% spike – then the worst on record – in reports of hate crime to the police in the week immediately after the 23 June referendum. But the latest data shows that the increase in hate crime has continued, although the level of increase has dipped.
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 The most recent weekly data shows that the level of hate crime is 16% higher than over a similar period last year, with 1,384 incidents reported in the third week of August, the last set of figures available.

But despite the increases, police chiefs say they no longer want to collate weekly figures, arguing that the reduction in the level of increase means that is no longer justified.

Mark Hamilton, the NPCC lead for hate crime, said that the reductions in the rate of increase meant they were no longer going to require weekly updates from police forces in England, Wales and Northern Ireland.

“We have seen continued decreases in reports of hate crimes to forces and these reports have now returned to formerly seen levels for 2016. For this reason, we will return to our previous reporting procedures and will no longer be requiring weekly updates from forces,” he said.

“This doesn’t mean that hate crime is no longer a priority. We know that divisions still exist in our society and that tensions could rise again. Police forces will continue with their robust response and we will react swiftly to any future signs of tension.”

The disclosure comes in a week when senior Polish ministers travelled to Britain to seek reassurances about the safety of the Polish community in the UK in the aftermath of the fatal attack on Arkadiusz Jóźwik in Harlow, Essex. A silent vigil and march was held in Harlow at the weekend.

Dromey said it was not yet the right time for the police to decide to stop collecting weekly figures. “The national rate of reported hate crimes remains higher than at this point last year and the high-profile attacks in Harlow show that there is still a deeply worrying trend of abuse and violence.”

The police linked the spike in hate crime incidents immediately after the June referendum directly to the vote, saying people had taken the vote to leave the EU as a licence to behave in a racist or discriminatory way. Offences had been mainly harassment and threats of a racist nature against “visible minorities” as well as people from eastern Europe.

Amber Rudd, the home secretary, went further when she discussed the figures with MPs on the home affairs select committee on Wednesday, saying that the level was back in line with 2015.

“There was a spike in crime after 23 June. I am pleased to say it has now gone back to levels comparable to last year. We are watching it carefully. We will continue to combat hate crime however we can,” she told MPs.

Dromey said: “Putting race and immigration centre-stage in the referendum campaign in the way that politicians did resulted in a tide of abuse. Immigration will be a dominant issue in the debate on where Britain goes post-Brexit and so we will need a continued focus on the impact this is having in communities.”
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...e-galop-home-affairs-youre-next-a7419111.html
 
The Brexit vote appears to have driven an increase in anti-LGBT hate crimes by having “opened up the door to prejudicial opinions”, charity workers have warned.

MPs on the Home Affairs Select Committee heard that visibly LGBT victims were told “you’re next” by people dishing out abuse and citing the Leave vote as justification.

The charity Galop, which records LGBT hate crimes and provides advice to victims, says it has registered a number of such explicitly-Brexit related attacks against visibly gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender people in the months following the EU referendum. 

Figures released by the charity show that hate crimes against LGBT people rose by 147 per cent between July and September, compared to the same period last year.

Speaking of hate crimes more broadly, Nick Lowles, the director of anti-racism organisation Hope Not Hate, said the result of the referendum appeared to have “emboldened” people with prejudiced views.

An analysis of police figures by The Independent  conducted following the vote found that attacks had risen further and faster in the most eurosceptic parts of the country. 

Lincolnshire saw a 191 per cent rise in ethnic and religiously motivated hate crimes in the week immediately after the referendum, Kent saw an increased of 143 per cent and Nottingham saw a 140 per cent increase in such violent hate crimes.
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A similar rise in hate crimes and other racist incidents is certainly a realistic possibility for the US. 

But for some reason some of the Trump supporters here refuse to even consider that possibility. Despite the fact that Trump defied all odds, this scenario is somehow a step too far for them.
 
LuckyLuchiano said:
Racism is an everyday thing in this country. Ignoring it is what got us to this point. When people cried out about injusticy they were accused of using the "race card". Now that the racist and to come out and show their colors you want us to ignore them? Lol this is whats wrong with this country we want to continue to ignore issues until they explode and officially destroy this nation.
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I'm not asking u to ignore anything. Shine a light on any injustice to anyone who is done wrong.

What i am saying is I don't want fluff pieces used to humanize people that would have no problem putting a noose around my neck. If the LA times was to make an article about how dude is a hate mongering piece of **** who should be ostracized for his ridiculous *** views. I would read/ and repost that **** ten times.
 
Yeah said:
It's ignorant to ignore that this has been going on long before Trump won the election. The word "begin" means to start. Normalizing of white supremacy has been going on for a while. There is nothing new to this phenomon, so what is the purpose of a new thread?

I just don't understand. If you want to talk about the neo nazi article, make the thread about that, not the general idea of normalizing white supremacy, which is one of the oldest ideals tied to the nation, and then say "it begins!" It ignores years of media corporations doing it, thus setting the stage for neo nazis and other hate groups to take on the identity of trendy new start ups in the form of "The New White Voter" or the "Alt-Right."

The more general, "anti-white supremamcy" type threads only beget more ignorance, and they all end the same way. Hence why a lot of NTers don't even post in these threads, they just wait for the "usual suspects" to debate things for the 100th time over.
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I'm sorry I'm so late when replying to this, had to finish up some work.

You would rather the OP not make a thread since this happens every day is essentially what your saying? What if the OP like many others in today's society is just coming into realization that this is not only a real thing but also a huge issue for minorities in this country.

What if the OP simply intended to shed light on how "understandable" it is becoming to openly hate people for the color of their skin. These anti white supremacy threads don't beget more hate, while they may be controversial I believe their intent like many other things on this board, is to spread knowledge and awareness.
 
sneakaprince said:
Yeah said:
It's ignorant to ignore that this has been going on long before Trump won the election. The word "begin" means to start. Normalizing of white supremacy has been going on for a while. There is nothing new to this phenomon, so what is the purpose of a new thread?

I just don't understand. If you want to talk about the neo nazi article, make the thread about that, not the general idea of normalizing white supremacy, which is one of the oldest ideals tied to the nation, and then say "it begins!" It ignores years of media corporations doing it, thus setting the stage for neo nazis and other hate groups to take on the identity of trendy new start ups in the form of "The New White Voter" or the "Alt-Right."

The more general, "anti-white supremamcy" type threads only beget more ignorance, and they all end the same way. Hence why a lot of NTers don't even post in these threads, they just wait for the "usual suspects" to debate things for the 100th time over.
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I'm sorry I'm so late when replying to this, had to finish up some work.

You would rather the OP not make a thread since this happens every day is essentially what your saying? What if the OP like many others in today's society is just coming into realization that this is not only a real thing but also a huge issue for minorities in this country.

What if the OP simply intended to shed light on how "understandable" it is becoming to openly hate people for the color of their skin. These anti white supremacy threads don't beget more hate, while they may be controversial I believe their intent like many other things on this board, is to spread knowledge and awareness.
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That's not what I was saying at all. I would rather a thread have a focus. A point, topic of discussion, etc. We can sit and talk about all of the bad stuff related to the article, or we can discuss a specific topic/problem or overarching theme and talk about ways to address that and try to solve the problem. Which sounds more productive?

For instance, I've asked what the purpose of this thread was multiple times. Are we supposed to be focusing on the group? Is the topic just the general openess of hostility since Trump won? Or is the thread just about white supremacy in general?

If OP was trying to shed light on the rejuvenated openess of racial hostility in this country, maybe start off the OP with "Since Trump won the election, x-y-z. How can we fix X? Thoughts?" Instead, the original post is a link to an article, some screenshots of some other peoples' opinions, and the very open ended question of "thoughts?" Did OP even read the article? What thoughts are we supposed to be talking about? Should we be sharing our disgust with the views of these people, or should we be talking about learning how they were able to effectively organize and lobby so quickly following the election?

Are we here just to talk about any and everything that we're thinking about in relation to this article, or are we here to actually discuss something and share our thoughts on it?
 
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I've been trying to ask what your intentions were with creating this thread so I can play along. It's becoming more and more apparent that you may not have actually had any.

Peace.
 
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