How do you feel about the term "culture vulture"?

Hand2HandKing said:
so the fact that rock was culture vultured to the point where its "not seen as black" is your defense?

alternative is a derivative of rock and roll, like how the 3pt is a part of basketball along with dunks and dribbling

its culture vulturing when people take from black people because its typically something that when black people do it, white people denigrate it and us

but when they do it, its celebrated and revered

see: kylie braids etc
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i'm all for a good black history lesson but ya really gonna act like portishead and chuck berry the same **** :lol: or even a descendant

tricky and bon iver is a descendant of chuck berry?

alternative isn't even a genre that has a unified sound moreso than just a term to describe a certain type of artist that doesn't fit into other genres...i.e. Indie...you go the indie playlist on Apple Music it has everything from chance the rapper to car seat headrest to bon iver to solange...all four completely different soundscapes

that's like saying t pain is a descendant of grandmaster flash...actually no it's not i can't even think of a good comparison to that silly *** **** :lol:
 
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FLESH PRINCE said:
RIP sleazyy said:
This especially in an exploitative manner. This goes for any culture, not just black and hip hop culture.

The weird thing is when other cultures try to preserve what they have and keep it the way they want, it's all good. As soon as black people do it though it's an issue, and we need to share, and we need to accept change and accept that our culture isn't "ours" anymore.

It's ********.
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Someone brought up a point related to this about how 21 Savage couldn't slick back his hair and wear Hollister and A&F and go be an indie rock or pop artists

then someone brought up an even better point about how The Weeknd and Flo Rida are flourishing in the pop lane...and I might personally even add you have ****** like Kevin abstract who is creeping into that indie rock hollister store playlist lane and although not very well known yet he's buzzing and rising with co-signs from MTV/Complex/Noisey, was at Tyler The Creators festival and probably gonna be a big mainstream artist within next 2 years



what say you
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The difference is they are not exploiting a culture. Pop isn't white, some of the biggest pop artists of all time and the man dubbed the king of the genre are black people. The indie wave you can make an argument for but I don't consider those white culture related they're just white dominated and essentially tweaked and reshaped versions of preexisting musical styles.

Now the kicker is those things you mentioned aren't considered a commodity like black and hip hop culture. Our culture is no longer ours, it has been bought out. Our culture is used almost purely for monetary gain by people who look nothing like us. That's what being a vulture is about.
 
RIP sleazyy said:
The difference is they are not exploiting a culture. Pop isn't white, some of the biggest pop artists of all time and the man dubbed the king of the genre are black people. The indie wave you can make an argument for but I don't consider those white culture related they're just white dominated and essentially tweaked and reshaped versions of preexisting musical styles.

Now the kicker is those things you mentioned aren't considered a commodity like black and hip hop culture. Our culture is no longer ours, it has been bought out. Our culture is used almost purely for monetary gain by people who look nothing like us. That's what being a vulture is about.
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But our culture is used purely for monetary gain by people who do look like us also

are they not vultures too

as a matter of fact our culture was sold out by that early-mid 90's generation of moguls we love to look up to

are they not vultures for opening the floodgates for the vultures?
 
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The oppressed can't vulturize the oppressors. If you're born into the culture regardless of race you earn some right to make a living from it, one would hope respectfully.
 
The culture vulture term is not really about color/race (as much as people that are culture vultures would like it to be in attempt to legitimize themselves). It is about people outside of hip-hop culture benefitting monetarily from the culture with no real connection or respect for the art form itself.

I've never seen/heard Eminem be called a culture vulture. Hip-hop is essential black culture so most people of color are connected to the tenets of hip-hop by default.

The issue is that you have executives, artists and media (whatever media is today) calling the shots regarding popular hip-hop culture with no real knowledge or connection to any part of the foundation.
 
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Hand2HandKing said:
so the fact that rock was culture vultured to the point where its "not seen as black" is your defense?

alternative is a derivative of rock and roll, like how the 3pt is a part of basketball along with dunks and dribbling

its culture vulturing when people take from black people because its typically something that when black people do it, white people denigrate it and us

but when they do it, its celebrated and revered

see: kylie braids etc
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i'm all for a good black history lesson but ya really gonna act like portishead and chuck berry the same ****
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or even a descendant

tricky and bon iver is a descendant of chuck berry?

alternative isn't even a genre that has a unified sound moreso than just a term to describe a certain type of artist that doesn't fit into other genres...i.e. Indie...you go the indie playlist on Apple Music it has everything from chance the rapper to car seat headrest to bon iver to solange...all four completely different soundscapes

that's like saying t pain is a descendant of grandmaster flash...actually no it's not i can't even think of a good comparison to that silly *** ****
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its not about them being the same **** or not

influence is influence regardless of its direct or not

what if bon ivers dad was into chuck berry, which got bon iver interested in music?

not a direct influnce, but still pretty substantial right?

you just want to frame it your way, but the fact is that they might be influenced somehow and not even realize it

like because weekend sampled one song from a white band now all his music is influenced by that one group?

to me thats some silly *** ****
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I 100% agree that black people can be culture vultures to an extent too. a vulture is someone who will gladly eat off the culture and not care about the overall impact their actions have on weakening it. It's just even more offensive when people of other races do it, because on top of being able to eat off of it they are amplified and given credit for things they have nothing to do with.
 
If a person who isn't black grew up with black people and listened to hip hop his whole life and than starts making his own rap music, than I definitely don't consider that person a culture vulture, even if the music is bad. Though, if a person isn't into hip hop nor grew up in around people who listens to rap music yet starts making rap music just to get famous, now that is a bonafide culture vulture.

I'm one of those people that hate Post Malone(whatever his name is) but ****, if he was raised around Rap and all his friends are into it, he is not a vulture in my eyes, whether he's bad for hip hop or not.
 
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DaNiKeRhiNo said:
If a person who isn't black grew up with black people and listened to hip hop his whole life and than starts making his own rap music, than I definitely don't consider that person a culture vulture, even if the music is bad. Though, if a person isn't into hip hop nor grew up in around people who listens to rap music yet starts making rap music just to get famous, now that is a bonafide culture vulture.

I'm one of those people that hate Post Malone(whatever his name is) but ****, if he was raised around Rap and all his friends are into it, he is not a vulture in my eyes, whether he's bad for hip hop or not.
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That's how I feel. 
 
Hand2HandKing said:
its not about them being the same **** or not

influence is influence regardless of its direct or not

what if bon ivers dad was into chuck berry, which got bon iver interested in music?

not a direct influnce, but still pretty substantial right?

you just want to frame it your way, but the fact is that they might be influenced somehow and not even realize it

like because weekend sampled one song from a white band now all his music is influenced by that one group?

to me thats some silly *** ****:lol:
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Out of weekends own mouth

http://www.complex.com/music/2013/07/weeknd-interview-cover-story

he was heavily influenced by portishead for kiss land and you can hear the influence on the first three tapes

also apparently he sampled them without credit

https://www.google.com/amp/pitchfor...eknd-battle-heats-up-again/amp/?client=safari

and he took the beats for the three songs that got him popping on drakes blog from this white guy

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/...e-weeknds-breakout-tracks-got-majorly-screwed

took his whole wave and used it as the main aesthetic and sound of his career

went from this



to this



is he not a culture vulture although there are multiple instances of him taking from white people
 
It's not really about race at all. It just happens that white people are often the vultures. If Miley Cyrus had been twerking from the jump it wouldn't be the same as her just appropriating that persona for the image she was putting out at the time. Post Malone is doing this because it's an empty lane that can be capitalized.
 
The way I see it, the "Culture Vulture" term applies only when a big entity takes something from a voiceless group and give no credit.

But, if you are under 35, more than likely all of our culture is intertwined for the better or worse (more like for the better, breaks down unnecessary barriers + more acceptance/understanding/progression). Individuals can and should take from one another, pay homage when it is due and keep it moving.
 
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thats not culture vulturing tho

you can point out songs he sampled but that doesnt equate to vuluring nor does it point to them influencing his every song

where's all this portishead on bbtm and starboy then?

or is it only when he started?
 
Hand2HandKing said:
thats not culture vulturing tho

you can point out songs he sampled but that doesnt equate to vuluring nor does it point to them influencing his every song

where's all this portishead on bbtm and starboy then?

or is it only when he started?
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It launched his career and you have a large portion of his fanbase who hates his new music and wishes he'd go back to that sound

he still uses some of those dark mysterious hazy ethos till this day, this is the first album cycle he's even done a video interview...on his 3rd or 4th go

he's only just now really breaking out of that aesthetic

nevertheless, what does that have to do with him stealing from multiple white people to start his career and brand as The Weeknd

The point I'm getting at is that it has to be culture vulturing when it's whites stealing from blacks and blacks stealing from whites

post malone just wore some gold teeth and braids and got called a culture vulture

this dude stole his whole soundscape, aesthetic and launched his career with white peoples ideas...
 
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well you have your opinion on it

i dont see it as culture vulturing because when he started out he was working with other white people to create that weeknd brand

probably including the decision to sample white bands

so unless white people culture vultured themselves for the economic benefit of a black man then...

and culture vulturing is not a two way street

its when a mamber of the dominant society (i.e. white) takes something from a minority culture (i.e. black/latino/asian) with no appreciation or for money

a black person taking "white" ideas is just turnabout, as much as white people steal from black people
 
who made louis vuitton?

who made gucci?  was it gucci mane?

 who made nike?
 
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if you eat chinese food, are you a culture vulture?

or what if you put siracha sauce on your food?

i better not catch yall eating ramen noodles
 
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