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Are we in a Simulation / Video Game Reality? vol Elon Musk
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Why run an unimportant simulation at all then?
The simulation argument was made up by human beings in the first place and the hypothetical scenario involves a posthuman civilization capable of creating and running the sim.
I'm not entirely sure what you're talking about his necessarily a simulation. Also if it's not humans or post humans who or what is running the simulation? I mean it is a simulation by technological means.
This isn't the dream hypothesis of one of the other adjacent theories like brain in a vat.
Why would that matter? Its a simulation not the matrix.
Yeah, I know. Keep in mind if we are in a simulation, we are not real. Doesn't matter how time is passing in reality. We're never going to experience it unless the program of the simulation is changed.
This is flawed reasoning.
We could be in a perfect simulation and ppl can still question reality. Conceiving of a possibility does not make the simulation imperfect. Human being are capable of conceiving all sorts of possible and impossible scenarios and events. The simulation would be imperfect if humans could not conceive of the possibility that their reality is not real.
This is just one possibility in one line of reasoning.
Questioning if reality is a simulation could all be a part of the perfect simulation. Since if we're not in a perfect simulation ppl can still question whether reality is a simulation.
Well as far as publicly known, there are no super computers running simulations. So it's not really the benchmark.
Regardless, notice I said "we". I'm talking about human beings in that reply simulating reality when you bring up scientists trying to recreate the human brain.
The simulation hypothesis is very old. It isn't beholden to or shaped by just the media. Just imagination. Science and philosophy are the foundations of it. Another form of questioning reality which humanity has always done.
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This ain't no Skyrim or The Witcher. Mass Effect would be lit.
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would it be wrong to say that the brain is the most complex thing in the universe?
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Why not? People do it in video games every day. The Sims has been active since 2000.
There are more theories than just post-human civilization running a simulation. I'm not talking about specifically Elon's idea of simulated reality. A simulation itself is imitation of real world processes or systems. A computer could be running the supposed simulation for all we know.
Relevance was you bringing up reality having an endless energy source. The Matrix was a simulation, simulated reality specifically.
Yes I agree. Going back to the previous point, this is why if we are being simmed then the endless energy wouldn't be necessary. 1000 sim years could be 11 real time seconds. Again to reference the Sims, days pass at a far different rate and you can even speed up time.
I can concede this point but I still feel Clarke's third applies.
Definitely agree here.
I mean benchmark as in what we know and think humans are capable of in 2017 based on what we have currently in computing technology. I said simulated to mean the simulated reality we're talking about presently. And I didn't mean the media, I meant media - books, movies, music, whatever your preferred medium is. There's a reason The Matrix is referenced so much when simulated realities come up.
It's gotta be pretty high up there. Loud got me right and I'm sitting here wondering what consciousness is and why I can hear my thoughts watching South Park bugging myself out
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It's about the senses not the census
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Why are you assuming that it's unimportant to the ppl who do it everyday?
That example shows that the game does hold importance to the ppl who take part.
I will point out though The Sims video game and a simulation duplicating reality is not the same thing at all.
I'm specifically talking about the simulation argument/theory.
Which theory are you talking about?
I'm not talking about what Elon said in that vid at all. I've already forgotten what he said while talking over dude that asked and bringing up how he had to ban the discussion in hot tubs. I mean he didn't even really say much. Everything I'm talking about is based on philosophy courses I took and discussions with professors and philosophers.
That doesn't change anything I've said.
Dives right back in to what I said about if this is a simulation we wouldn't be able to create a simulation depending on the energy source for the computer running the simulation program.
I didn't say reality had an endless energy source. I said the simulation would need something like that for the simulation to create a simulation within itself.
You're kinda conflating the movie with the simulation argument. The simulation argument isn't stating that you or I are real human beings experiencing a simulation. All ppl within the simulation are a part of the program and not real. The simulation is being observed from without.
You're missing my point.
Time is irrelevant to what I'm talking about. I'm talking about the energy needed to run the simulation. So if this is a simulation you would need twice as much energy to run another simulation within the simulation.
It doesn't matter if a million years in the simulation is have a second in actual reality. The issue of energy needed is still present.
I don't see what advanced technology appearing to be like magic to a person ignorant of how that technology works has any meaning to the simulation argument.
Before Clark, many have pointed out that advancements in science and technology can appear to be magic to less advanced civilizations. Its magic until it's explained. Don't see the correlation.
I got that.
Even if you want to go to the scenario where a process that is unknown and can not be explained to create simulated reality the issue of creating more simulated realities within them are still present and unaddressed.
All I'm saying is questioning reality existed before that.
Before simulated realities there was the dream argument and the philosopher Zhuangzi.
That's cuz it's a popular movie that easily explains a certain approach to the topic of simulated realities to the laymen.
Same way Fight Club makes it easier to understand split/multiple personalities.
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think about this tho...
when we are asleep and we dream....we are basically creating a whole universe...world, with experiences, people, emotions, and it all looks and feels real.
Now do we create that? or are we just perceiving it like we perceive the world when we are awake? Are we making that? or is it being made for us?
so either we are simulating a world when we are asleep, or we are viewing a simulation of a world when we are asleep.
we do that when we are ASLEEP. So what can we do when our brain is fully active and we are AWAKE
why is the universal speed limit so low that almost none of the universe needs to be simulated in any real detail.
when we are asleep and we dream....we are basically creating a whole universe...world, with experiences, people, emotions, and it all looks and feels real.
Now do we create that? or are we just perceiving it like we perceive the world when we are awake? Are we making that? or is it being made for us?
so either we are simulating a world when we are asleep, or we are viewing a simulation of a world when we are asleep.
we do that when we are ASLEEP. So what can we do when our brain is fully active and we are AWAKE
why is the universal speed limit so low that almost none of the universe needs to be simulated in any real detail.
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That's only considerable if you can't tell the difference between your dreams and when you're awake.
Very few ppl dream in such vivid detail that everything external of them behaves and acts as normally as when they're awake.
Very few ppl dream in such vivid detail that everything external of them behaves and acts as normally as when they're awake.
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I'm gonna need to figure out why sex in my dreams feel way better than it does in real life. Those "orgasms" feel like an out of body experience.
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i need new dreams...my ***** be lame af
last night i was stuck on top of a glass ledge high af. i hate heights.
weird thing was after being scared i realized i was dreaming and woke myself up
last night i was stuck on top of a glass ledge high af. i hate heights.
weird thing was after being scared i realized i was dreaming and woke myself up
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i need new dreams...my ***** be lame af
last night i was stuck on top of a glass ledge high af. i hate heights.
weird thing was after being scared i realized i was dreaming and woke myself up
Doesn't happen to me often at all but when it does
The feelings/sensations are absolutely insane
Blows my mind how when I'm in a certain state of sleep I can have such a heightened sexual or emotional feelings to a fictional person in my brain but in "real life" I can never reach those levels.
Makes me question life on some real ****
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i need new dreams...my ***** be lame af
last night i was stuck on top of a glass ledge high af. i hate heights.
weird thing was after being scared i realized i was dreaming and woke myself up
I've had one specific dream in my life, that when I woke up, I wasn't sure what reality I was in... My dream was so very specific to the world and all the little things... Long story short, in my dream I was in an accident and in a coma for a number of years, and when I woke up from coma, everything was the same, but different... Just in the way of you jumped 5 years in the future... Sane world, new things; cars, video format, president, movie stars, ect... I spent days in the dream, like full days...
It was so very weird to wake up from that dream... I've never felt so disconnected from what real is... I've experienced vivid dreams since, but nothing to that nature... I hope to experience that type of dream again...
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this.
also I keep dreaming of this girl (about 5-6 dreams now) it's the same girl but her face is always not there. same voice, same everything but in my dreams she is always turned around or we're in a situation where I'm not looking at her and I have this deep feeling of love after waking up.
I don't eem love my gf this much
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lol this reminds me of a popular Chinese story...
basically Zhuangzi was sleeping and he dreamt that he was a butterfly... when he woke up, he was confused and asked himself,
am I Zhuangzi who dreamt he was a butterfly, or am I a butterfly dreaming that im Zhuangzi..
Obviously I summarized the story but yea...
https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Zhuangzi
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this.
also I keep dreaming of this girl (about 5-6 dreams now) it's the same girl but her face is always not there. same voice, same everything but in my dreams she is always turned around or we're in a situation where I'm not looking at her and I have this deep feeling of love after waking up.
I don't eem love my gf this much
**** crazy bro. I've had the same dream about a shorty but I actually saw her face. Bad ***** too
woke up mad af
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