GS9 member turns down 15 year plea deal, gets sentence of 117 1/2 years

I get that this dude deserves getting the book thrown at him but we are talking about him killing other gang members correct?

Were any "innocent" people killed in any of these incidents?

I mean when you join a gang...the game is the game.
 
tyisny said:
To be truthful why is that an off comment? because it doesn't go along with the "gimmick" that is war? This country enlist young kids, turns them into killers and places them in a war zone to take over other countries political system and have influence over that country.

No different MORALLY from an OG on the block putting a kid under his wing, teaching him about the streets and having him act out violence in order to take from someone else.

We are a country who's existence has been made off of killing everything that stands in our way, so if you could come to grips with the richest empire in history STILL waging war on poor countries in order to strengthen themselves more... i don't know how you can't recognize how a kid ends up in a situation where he's enacting violence for his survival.
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lamekilla said:
All I can think about is Bobby dancing in that board room
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Mad I don't even wanna get started on that route. It's mind boggling how much people cape for music that encourages misguided youth to behave mischievously. "oh its just music" *****. Dudes killing their own kind, making anthems to brag about it, getting 100+ years for murder in real life, and there are still people caping for their music and their actions: oh but so and so only got X amount of years.... :stoneface: his dumb *** is where he belongs. I don't want him on the same street as my grandma or my friends' children. **** him and everyone else like him. I hope that any troubled youth can turn their life around, but if they choose not too and end up getting caught committing some heinous act, I hope they get 100+ years too.
 
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Diego said:
I get that this dude deserves getting the book thrown at him but we are talking about him killing other gang members correct?

Were any "innocent" people killed in any of these incidents?

I mean when you join a gang...the game is the game.
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Dude shooting into crowds of people. That's still an assault charge. Not sure what NYC mandates for sentencing but I'm assuming anywhere up to 10 years?
 
tyisny said:
If i grew up in a situation where things were black & white & i didn't know all too well how things like this happen then maybe i wouldn't be wondering why he got 100+

This dude didn't just wake up one day & say i'm gonna be a killer.

The way i see it the whole Government should be hit with conspiracy charges, their decisions create these environments which create these situations :smh:
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I swear man...youth smh

Or hoping that the case
 
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While I agree that the government has conspired against impoverished communities, that doesn't mean you have to fall victim to it. All these cats are old enough to know right from wrong. THERE HAS TO BE SOME ACCOUNTABILITY regardless if it's a government ploy or not.
 
sooperhooper said:
Mad I don't even wanna get started on that route. It's mind boggling how much people cape for music that encourages misguided youth to behave mischievously. "oh its just music" *****. Dudes killing their own kind, making anthems to brag about it, getting 100+ years for murder in real life, and there are still people caping for their music and their actions: oh but so and so only got X amount of years.... :stoneface: his dumb *** is where he belongs. I don't want him on the same street as my grandma or my friends' children. **** him and everyone else like him. I hope that any troubled youth can turn their life around, but if they choose not too and end up getting caught committing some heinous act, I hope they get 100+ years too.
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I hope you have this kind of passion and dislike for the systems that creates this. forget every other factor that leads to this, or forget the fact that white executives push this kind of music... let's blame it strictly on rap an artform that was created as an answer to violence & disfuction in ghettos :smh:
 
Bruh I despise any entity that causes it to hit the airwaves. And I feel that it's advertisement for prison (how else would they get people to do devious things) And why it's adored and defended by the same demographic that it's intended to destroy is one of life's biggest mysteries. That's up there with trying to understand women.

Like, it's common sense that you shouldn't be allowed to brag about killing people. But for some reason, people want to hear it. Make a song about any other heinous act, people will be up in arms: rape, child molestation etc. Make a song about killing blacks "oh it's just an art form"... And that's coming from the black community! :smh:
 
sooperhooper said:
Bruh I despise any entity that causes it to hit the airwaves. And I feel that it's advertisement for prison (how else would they get people to do devious things) And why it's adored and defended by the same demographic that it's intended to destroy is one of life's biggest mysteries. That's up there with trying to understand women.

Like, it's common sense that you shouldn't be allowed to brag about killing people. But for some reason, people want to hear it. Make a song about any other heinous act, people will be up in arms: rape, child molestation etc. Make a song about killing blacks "oh it's just an art form"... And that's coming from the black community! :smh:
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How else would they get people to do devious things?

hmmm idk

- Destroying the black family structure
- Destroying education
- Withholding history
- introduction of drug use
- lack of economic oppurtunities
- poverty
- Food & substances which help aide depression

and countless other things that are controlled and put into motion by government policy are what destroys community & promotes jail. But we're gonna continue to let them off the hook and blame 20-30 year old rappers for capitalizing off a situation that was in existence since Marvin Gaye was making love records.
 
Title is kinda misleading.

If he got charged with 23 different things and only got 15 years, that would raise eyebrows in his circle.

He'd almost certainly be killed before he got out.
 
Yeah, if he would've copped that plea and took the 15, he would be food for the sharks his whole time there. 
 
tyisny said:
How else would they get people to do devious things?

hmmm idk

- Destroying the black family structure
- Destroying education
- Withholding history
- introduction of drug use
- lack of economic oppurtunities
- poverty
- Food & substances which help aide depression

and countless other things that are controlled and put into motion by government policy are what destroys community & promotes jail. But we're gonna continue to let them off the hook and blame 20-30 year old rappers for capitalizing off a situation that was in existence since Marvin Gaye was making love records.
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A lot of us grew up with these conditions, yet none of us are murderers. You should know it like a lot of us do, some kids just glorify that lifestyle and start to be OK with killing. I blame the government for the situation, but the decision-making is up to us.
 
DaNiKeRhiNo said:
A lot of us grew up with these conditions, yet none of us are murderers. You should know it like a lot of us do, some kids just glorify that lifestyle and start to be OK with killing. I blame the government for the situation, but the decision-making is up to us.
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If you grew up in those situations then you know that there's not even 1% of kids who grow up & glorify that lifestyle organically, those who do our usually the kids who have no parents, the kid who is exposed to violence from young, the kid who only form of mentorship or guidance comes from others who are involved in the streets. Decisions are based off what is learned if all you have nurturing you is people who made bad decisions and negative circumstances it becomes easy to predict the outcome.

Now i'm not saying some people just don't make bad decisions or that people should be held totally uncountable, but i see so many people get on their moral high horse in these situations without giving any credence to the fact that there are huge factors that go into creating these wreckless mind sets & rap music is on the bottom of that list.
 
tyisny said:
DaNiKeRhiNo said:
A lot of us grew up with these conditions, yet none of us are murderers. You should know it like a lot of us do, some kids just glorify that lifestyle and start to be OK with killing. I blame the government for the situation, but the decision-making is up to us.
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If you grew up in those situations then you know that there's not even 1% of kids who grow up & glorify that lifestyle organically, those who do our usually the kids who have no parents, the kid who is exposed to violence from young, the kid who only form of mentorship or guidance comes from others who are involved in the streets. Decisions are based off what is learned if all you have nurturing you is people who made bad decisions and negative circumstances it becomes easy to predict the outcome.

Now i'm not saying some people just don't make bad decisions or that people should be held totally uncountable, but i see so many people get on their moral high horse in these situations without giving any credence to the fact that there are huge factors that go into creating these wreckless mind sets & rap music is on the bottom of that list.
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You make some valid points, but to me, it seems like you're absolving this dude for his actions due to the environment he grew up in. At some point, accountability/responsibility HAS to be placed on the individual. This is not a one-off type of deal...dude had his hand in THREE separate shootings. Enough is enough. This fool is past the point of rehabilitation and a life behind bars is what's best for him. In addition, this will hopefully put some folks at ease, in the very same community that he was terrorizing, that he will never see the light of day from beyond those 4 walls of the prison.
 
JJs07 said:
You make some valid points, but to me, it seems like you're absolving this dude for his actions due to the environment he grew up in. At some point, accountability/responsibility HAS to be placed on the individual. This is not a one-off type of deal...dude had his hand in THREE separate shootings. Enough is enough. This fool is past the point of rehabilitation and a life behind bars is what's best for him. In addition, this will hopefully put some folks at ease, in the very same community that he was terrorizing, that he will never see the light of day from beyond those 4 walls of the prison.
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My point isn't to take the blame off him, but to make people aware that these are the results that we get when we have a system that doesn't get enough blame or critique for what they create.

In addition, this will hopefully put some folks at ease, in the very same community that he was terrorizing, that he will never see the light of day from beyond those 4 walls of the prison.
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Quotes like this only add to my point, the shooter is the sum of the problems, not the problem himself. Taking him off the streets does nothing because there's thousands of kids across Brooklyn that are gonna receive the same upbringing and maybe even worse guidance growing up & they too are gonna terrorize the neighborhood. and 95% of those kids are gonna drift into that, not through a natural feel but because things are designed for them to do that.

Countless studies and reports showing that we DEPEND on these people to **** up. so instead of attacking the cause we watch it & pretend as if the writing wasn't on the wall.
 
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