****The Everything LaVar Ball Thread****

iamDEF said:
 
I think "pimped" is where we are getting most of the disconnect. In Lebron's case it's hard to say he's getting pimped because at his level his not a basic **, he's the top dollar ** that you have to hit a certain level of prestige to even meet
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That's how capitalism works, my company makes more off of my work than I do. If not, my position evaporates. 
 
BlackIntellect said:
 
That's how capitalism works, my company makes more off of my work than I do. If not, my position evaporates. 
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But are you irreplaceable? Lebron can't be replaced by any old body while Derrick Rose can and will be replaced by a new face
 
Don't a lot businesses operate at a loss for a long time? I don't think amazon was profitable until a few years ago, different industry but that info surprised us in business class. Signing a shoe contract and getting millions to wear the shoes and clothes is a lot easier than trying to start your own sneaker brand. You can invest a ton of money and resources into it without it becoming successful and you wasting the money you put into it. Small brands struggle to get real estate in shoe stores. brand black has some cool shoes but I've never seen them in stores. starburys disappeared when Steve & Barry stores shutdown. I don't even see sneakers from the big Chinese companies in stores.
 
iamDEF said:
bigj505 said:
its still winning and honestly, the money received from say Nike is actually more significant than the real employer.


The fact that an athlete can pimp his name to different companies and collect checks produces straight win.


If anything, the players are pimped by their respective sports.


Lavar should be aiming for not the NBA but his own LeNBA with the arguments presented :lol:
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Not saying it's not winning or what the star cares about, saying when looking at the pie chart of earnings, stars are getting a fairly small slice. When you accept all that risk and those expenses that yields you a bigger payday. Brands prefer you to want them to do all the work so you get something for practically nothing because they know that to a certain point they can put anything out with your name on it and people will buy it
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Can you provide me with such a chart for what Nike specifically makes off of lebron sales?
Then also show the breakdown of how the money is split for each piece of the pie?
I wonder if some people see the total bottom line instead of the individuals contributions to the sales.
 
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bigj505 said:
Can you provide me with such a chart for what Nike specifically makes off of lebron sales?
Then also show the breakdown of how the money is split for each piece of the pie?
I wonder if some people see the total bottom line instead of the individuals contributions to the sales.
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Provide that info to what point?
 
iamDEF said:
bigj505 said:
Can you provide me with such a chart for what Nike specifically makes off of lebron sales?

Then also show the breakdown of how the money is split for each piece of the pie?

I wonder if some people see the total bottom line instead of the individuals contributions to the sales.
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Provide that info to what point?
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Your view is Nike is getting a significant piece of the pie vs what lebron gets. That's the point.
 
iamDEF said:
bigj505 said:
Your view is Nike is getting a significant piece of the pie vs what lebron gets. That's the point.
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I have to provide proof that Nike is earning more than Lebron is earning?
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I was interested if you had it since you keep saying it's a small piece of the pie.
Lebron shoe sales have been down for years now so I am assuming the pie slice isn't as big as it's made out to be.

I mean, the lebron 14 line hasn't been mass produced and we have only gotten like 4 or 5 colors this season. I have a hard time believing Nike is killing it with lebron profits this season specifically.

Now Paul George.... I think Nike is fairing pretty well on his shoe sales.
 
bigj505 said:
I was interested if you had it since you keep saying it's a small piece of the pie.
Lebron shoe sales have been down for years now so I am assuming the pie slice isn't as big as it's made out to be.

I mean, the lebron 14 line hasn't been mass produced and we have only gotten like 4 or 5 colors this season. I have a hard time believing Nike is killing it with lebron profits this season specifically.

Now Paul George.... I think Nike is fairing pretty well on his shoe sales.
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Do I have numbers or proof what what Nike is earning v what Lebron gets out of it? Nah, but I'm sure it's not hard to believe, no matter how much less he's making now compared to models prior, that Nike makes substantially more than what they pay out.

No matter much smaller the pie is Lebron's slice will always be smaller
 
iamDEF said:
bigj505 said:
I was interested if you had it since you keep saying it's a small piece of the pie.

Lebron shoe sales have been down for years now so I am assuming the pie slice isn't as big as it's made out to be.


I mean, the lebron 14 line hasn't been mass produced and we have only gotten like 4 or 5 colors this season. I have a hard time believing Nike is killing it with lebron profits this season specifically.


Now Paul George.... I think Nike is fairing pretty well on his shoe sales.
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Do I have numbers or proof what what Nike is earning v what Lebron gets out of it? Nah, but I'm sure it's not hard to believe, no matter how much less he's making now compared to models prior, that Nike makes substantially more than what they pay out.

No matter much smaller the pie is Lebron's slice will always be smaller
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You mean Nikes makes right? He makes the same amount regardless.
 
iamDEF said:
But are you irreplaceable? Lebron can't be replaced by any old body while Derrick Rose can and will be replaced by a new face
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so due to his supply, Lebrons partners should not profit off him? I just am not seeing your point?
 
BlackIntellect said:
so due to his supply, Lebrons partners should not profit off him? I just am not seeing your point?
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First post of our exchange is of me stating that using the term "pimped" may be too strong considering LeBron the connotation of it not really fitting LeBron considering it can be argued to be "worth" what he makes. That was my point in this train of thought, that using "pimped" is too rough for LeBron specifically

You can make a fairly soft argument that Dak Prescott was "pimped" in his small contract for the work he put in for the Cowboys but it could also be said that nobody thought he would have been as successful so what he was given was appropriate for the time being
 
Biggie62 said:
So tell me how in the world is Lavar going to get the funds to start his own brand? He's not a millionaire, his oldest son will be but that won't start until the middle of upcoming season.

You aren't going to have investors flocking and investing 25 million on an athlete that can still flop and turn out and become no more than a Darren Collison (just picking a role player as an example who plays PG not making a comparison or saying he'll flop), and with the potential PR nightmare of a father running the show. Sorry I just don't see a venture capitalist taking this risk and investing more than 1 million maybe.

It's not about being complacent and content. It's people not understanding the complexities of all this. This isn't making shopping bags where all you need is plastic. We are talking millions and even hundreds of millions of dollars of sunk costs. If you take the risk you do reap the rewards but you need the $€£ first to do so. The Ball family doesn't have it.
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He could apply for a business line of credit and use the funds to find material suppliers to manufacture the brand products. Of course he'd have to start smaller than what he probably idealizes, but if he truly does not want his son(s) to be owned by other businesses then this is the way to go about it.
 
BBB sneakers gonna fail miserably. Boy better get that Nike money while it's on the table
Don't have pops out here have u losing money and rocking ugly ads designs. Unless they collab and hide the logo on the bottom of the shoe.
 
BBB sneakers will be a no go unless they negotiate collaboration branding with an established brand. If they understand sneaker culture they wouldn't even bother.
 
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Judging by the BBB gear I don't even wanna see shoes. Would make Currys shoe look halfway decent :lol:
 
dakid23 said:
BlackIntellect said:
That's how capitalism works, my company makes more off of my work than I do. If not, my position evaporates. 
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How do people not understand this?

Lebron being pimped :lol:
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Cause they just see the number the athlete gets...

Folks aren't taking into account the amount of number crunching a company does to get an idea of the return on their investment.

Just know that Nike ain't giving out no 50/50 splits to anyone. They want large profit margins. So, if they give an athlete X amount of dollars, please believe they know for the most part how much they will make.
 
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