Nike Zoom Vaporfly Elite 2017

Nike Zoom Fly First Run Impressions Review: Good Form Required! Light, Well Cushioned, Great Upper and Stiff

Nike Zoom Fly
Weight: 8.35 oz/237 g for our sample size 9.
Stack: 33 mm heel/23 mm forefoot
Price: $150. Available now

The Zoom Fly is a light very cushioned performance trainer racer with an embedded curving plate for propulsion and stability. The plate is roughly in the location of the black line on the midsole, dipping down steeply at the ball of the foot then curving up towards the toe. The shoe is completely stiff. I was not able to hand bend it at all.

The Zoom Fly is part of Nike's Breaking2 project line. It differs from the upcoming July release Zoom Vaporfly 4% ($250) ( see our try on preview at the Boston Marathon here) in the following ways:

-substitutes a carbon injected nylon inner plate for a pure carbon one,
-uses Lunarlon foam instead of the 4%'s Zoom X Pebax foam which is claimed to have 13% better energy return than standard EVA and weighs 2/3 less,
-has 2-3mm more front and heel midsole stack,
-has a similar upper but one with Flywire instead of the more conventional lace up of the 4% and with a substantial heel counter where the 4% has none but does have a medial overlay (see below),
-weighs significantly more but a still svelte 8.35 oz vs the 4% at an amazing 6.5 oz

Bottom line these are very similar shoes in terms of overall design but... with lighter and higher performance materials in the 4%. I only jogged around for a minute or two in the 4%, and this in a hotel lobby, and have now run 5 miles in the Zoom Fly. The Vaporfly 4% was a distinctly lighter shoe with a smoother feeling also silky and yet more dynamic cushion and most interestingly more of a sense of very dynamic forward tilt/drop forward to toe off than the Zoom Fly. I wonder if the plate geometries are different as the black line indicating the carbon plate looks like it dips lower in the Vaporfly or maybe as the VaporFly has 2mm less stack that the plate sits closer to the outsole or am I feeling the combination of carbon plate and Pebax vs carbon injected plate and more standard Lunarlon?


Upper and Fit

Both the Zoom Fly and Vaporfly 4% were in the same size 9 , a half size up from my normal 8.5. Vaporfly 4% was clearly less supportive for me and I am sure I would go true to size in it maybe even a half size down, while in the Zoom Fly my half size up pair with cushion socks fits correctly. Those who wear very thin socks and like a snugger fit could go true to size in the Zoom Fly. There is no toe bumper upfront beyond a small rubber wrap up at the tip.

The toe box is of an interesting design and shape. It is relatively narrow but with very accommodating engineered mesh. The very front almost seems to widen instead of go to the usual point. There is no toe box stiffener and only a small bumper. I had no foot slippage or toe jamming during my first run,

My foot was well and very comfortably held. Credit I think going to the excellent implementation of the Flywire cords through the laces and the soft, relatively thin and foot conforming engineered up upper. Not an easy task to have a well held stable foot on such a high stack shoe. The upper looks highly breathable.

The tongue is un padded, a mesh with some knit height structure and overlays. Lace up was comfortable with the laces flat and thin.

The heel counter and heel collar is very high and substantial, likely to keep mere mortal heel strikers stable over the narrow rear of shoe midsole/outsole. It seems to work effectively for me.


Midsole and Outsole

The midsole is Nike's Lunarlon foam with of course that embedded full length carbon infused nylon plate. The cushioning is outstanding, particularly in the forefoot where they truly feel have "maximalist" cushioning comfort feeling like they sit somewhere between a Hoka Clayton and Hoka Clifton but with less mush and more stability than the Clifton from the full coverage outsole rubber up front and a touch softer than the Clayton. We really like full coverage forefoot rubber and the Zoom Fly's is for sure full and looks durable.

The heel has a narrow pointed footprint on the ground at the very rear from of course that now famous "aerodynamic" pointed shape which I reckon is really more about reducing weight...

It's not a particularly narrow heel over all, certainly wider than the Zoom Streak 6, but it tapers at the far rear. While the cushioning is fantastic at the heel, as a heel striker I wish for some more width back there, a more rounded less pointy far back of the outsole for landing stability. Elites and mid foot strikers will have less of an issue but for me the stack is high and the landing ends up narrow and a touch unstable.


First Runs Impressions

Understanding these are very early first impressions but this is not my first run shoe rodeo either...
I think Zoom Fly is a shoe designed for "strong" fast runners with good form. At speed if you are heel striker with poor knee lift, like me, you will wish for some more heel width and then struggle somewhat to get to final toe off to get past the very front of the shoe plate stiffness. Interestingly the Nike All Out Flyknit was one of my favorite shoes of 2016. It to was very stiff but.. had a single hard to flex but very snappy flex point.

The cushioning, stability and fee, particularly upfront is outstanding, At 23mm stack in the forefoot in a shoe designed for speed it has to be. Unlike a similar geometry light shoe such as the Hoka Clayton (24mm upfront) I think the Zoom Fly requires better overall form and some knee drive forward to go fast, whereas the not as stiff Clayton requires less but is not as responsive, cushioned, or polished in overall upper execution and comfort.

The heel cushioning is also superb but the pointed far rear geometry favors those who do not land far back on the heels. As my pace picked up the heel improved in feel: firm yet cushioned at the same time with very low shock/vibration transmitted The forefoot really didn't change in feel run slow or fast and remained stable and cushioned.

Overall the Zoom Fly reminded me of the Streak 6 without all the harsh shock so Zoom Fly is, yes for sure, a stiff shoe with firm cushioning that at the same time dampens shock.


The upper is a marvel. Perfectly supportive on such a high stack, no mid foot tightness with a roomier toe box with some give yet impeccable front of the foot hold for me.

The dip in the plate clearly feels great at mid foot and is effective but I missed some flex at the very front of the shoe to get off the ground at faster paces. Even in my short 5 mile run at moderate tempo 8:40 pace I had a touch of numbness in one foot.

My second run was a 6.7 mile progression averaging 8:15 miles with the last 2 miles just under 8 minute miles. They are stiff and one needs to adapt to them that's for sure! They felt very good for me in pretty narrow window of pace: between 7:55 and 8:30 or so a rolling along feel, somewhat faster than marathon pace and slower than half pace of 7:28-7:42. Slower and I was to much back on the heels and they felt sort of unstable, faster than 8 minute pace or so I was working hard to drive up and forward and struggling to increase cadence to get moving faster yet. I was rolling along just fine and happy in that narrow window of pace. The next day I had less of the leg sore
ness I would expect from such an effort so the cushioning while firm is clearly effective and thus I could well see how over a marathon distance legs might stay fresher. This said I did have slight achilles soreness so I was working my legs differently than usual.
There is no question that faster runners (sub 1:37 half marathon my guess at this point) seeking a highly cushioned, light Nike should consider the Zoom Fly as a daily tempo trainer and long race shoe if your form is good and you are strong.

Back to the Vaporfly 4%...

I did not actually run beyond a few dozen yards in the higher end Vaporfly 4%. The sense of "falling forward" seemed more distinct than in the Zoom Fly. I wonder is the plate geometry is more extreme in some way or the carbon more reactive. If this is so, I think it might in fact be a better choice for me if the upper is supportive enough particularly in the heel. Recall while the Zoom Fly has a full high and substantial heel counter, the Vaporfly 4% has none relying on overlays for support. Road Trail Run will be testing the Vaporfly 4% when it is expected to release in mid July.

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SenorRoboto2k5 said:

Yeah if they do like a special NikeLab colorway of an existing shoe now, they usually just throw it in a regular box... Almost like they decided last minute

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AdrenalineRush said:

Sizing is everywhere with these.

.5 up
.5 down lol

I'm anxious as hell to get my pairs in.


My SP was cancelled, kinda blows.

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AdrenalineRush said:

Sizing is everywhere with these.

.5 up
.5 down lol

I'm anxious as hell to get my pairs in.


My SP was cancelled, kinda blows.

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Ferrari6888 said:

My SP was cancelled too. Was really disappointed

That was before I got in my other pair. Upon receiving them, I can see why people said they can't pull them off casually. They aren't made for style. Pictures make them look better. Also the heel feels very unstable to me. Like everyone has said, great for midstrikers, not so much for heel strikers. I can't wait to run in them and see how they are. Otherwise they are going back to Nike. I was hoping to wear these running and causally like the FK Racers

As far as sizing goes, like someone else above me just said, everyone likes their shoes to fit differently. Plus depends on the socks you wear. I ordered my TTS to be safe and I'm glad I did. I like a little bit of wiggle room but not too much and these are perfect. I could have also gone .5 size up and been completely fine as well. Whatever you wear in FK Ravers, order the same size and the majority will say it firs great. I cannot speak for everyone though

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Ferrari6888 said:

My SP was cancelled too. Was really disappointed

That was before I got in my other pair. Upon receiving them, I can see why people said they can't pull them off casually. They aren't made for style. Pictures make them look better. Also the heel feels very unstable to me. Like everyone has said, great for midstrikers, not so much for heel strikers. I can't wait to run in them and see how they are. Otherwise they are going back to Nike. I was hoping to wear these running and causally like the FK Racers

As far as sizing goes, like someone else above me just said, everyone likes their shoes to fit differently. Plus depends on the socks you wear. I ordered my TTS to be safe and I'm glad I did. I like a little bit of wiggle room but not too much and these are perfect. I could have also gone .5 size up and been completely fine as well. Whatever you wear in FK Ravers, order the same size and the majority will say it firs great. I cannot speak for everyone though

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pilbondin said:

Which retailer cancelled your order?

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peterjc001 said:

Sizing: Sizing on shoes have been really confusing lately, with adidas's shoes that generally fits bigger, and nike being the more true to size of the two brands, I figured that I would go true to size on these as well, and boy was I wrong. I wear a size 9 in most shoes brands, nike included, but for some reason when it comes to Nike's running shoes I would always go up 1/2 a size. Nike freerun, nike flyknit racer, nike lunar glide, and now the zoom fly. I'm the type of person who like the shoes to fit more snug as well length wise, where the tip of the shoe lines up with the tip of my toe with maybe just a cm of room for socks, but when putting these on without socks, my feet is already pretty crammed up in the shoes. I don't know if its due to the clear synthetic upper that is less stretchable or the shoes just fits smaller in length. Because of this issue, I would recommend going to sure to try on to make sure whats the most comfortable for you before buying.

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mykoh said:

Would you recommend going half up TTS (i.e. your flyknit racer size) in these?
I prefer a snug fit like yourself.

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Dgar08 said:

TTS

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mykoh said:

Does TTS = flyknit racer size or UB 2.0/3.0 size for you? Sorry if i'm being pedantic, but I find everyone has their own definition of TTS.

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pilbondin said:

I wear the same size in FKR and UB....

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