Is not giving a tip bad

Rexanglorum said:

In my experience, it seems like second generation Latino and Asian immigrants, who are men and who work in the professions, are the most contemptuous of food service workers. This is surprising since second generation immigrants who are Asian or Latino tend to be very progressive on most matters.

IMO it starts in the home, a lot of immigrants households work very hard and in order to do it, they often times have more specialization of labor than native and/or white households. The men usually work well over eight hours per day and they do no housework. This is survival strategy under white supremacy and capitalism. When there is a household where the women do all of the domestic work and the men do all of the paid work and they do so in a society that only acknowledges paid and formal work, there is tendency to undervalue any form of work that is not compensated and well compensated at that.

A number of my Asian and Latino friends and classmates did indeed study hard, they got into good schools and made the "right" contacts and now they are in the professional class but too many of them seem totally unaware of the thousands of hours of work, usually done by the women in the household, that allowed them to ultimately get a big, "important" job. We all have blind spots when it comes to social justice and white men are allowed to point out the flaws of other cishet men, even if those cishet men are persons of color.

On this particular front, I do think that white people, within the context of liberal California residents, are more progressive because there is less gender specialization of household work in white households.

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jehims said:

what's the consensus on splitting the bill with your friends? 

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kvsm23vs24 said:

Also. I almost NEVER split the bill. I will always take care of it. Either the homies be like, you want money or they say I have you next time. Which is cool with me.

We so used to someone getting the bill now and next person then has it.

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instagram said:

Respect. Understood but prudence my friend

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kvsm23vs24 said:

Also. I almost NEVER split the bill. I will always take care of it. Either the homies be like, you want money or they say I have you next time. Which is cool with me.

We so used to someone getting the bill now and next person then has it.

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kvsm23vs24 said:

Also. I almost NEVER split the bill. I will always take care of it. Either the homies be like, you want money or they say I have you next time. Which is cool with me.

We so used to someone getting the bill now and next person then has it.

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jehims said:

wow you're too generous and ballin to always treat your friends. I think it's unfair if the bill comes out to $120 between 5 ppl and I ordered something that costs $10...I would feel uncomfortable dropping nearly $30. I've done it before and it sucked not knowing if the bill will be split. Now I usually ask if we're going to split the bill so I can get something more expensive along with drinks 

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WhatsComplex said:

It's weird. I've heard Japan has the best service ever but they'll get upset if you tip them because it's a sign of disrespect.

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Rexanglorum said:

Remember that the food taking a while to get to you is not "bad service." It means that the kitchen is working slowly or is swamped with other orders.

It's unfair to dock the pay of servers because some of their coworkers are absent or under performing on a certain day. All my salaried people know that many days at the office are slow, disorganized or unproductive because someone else was absent or just plain lazy.


Now, I am willing to entertain the idea that black folks and other POC receive genuinely bad service because the server already thinks that they are getting a bad tip in any case. In my own experience, servers do a great job 95 to 99% of the time which means that on a day to day basis, they are batting a better percentage than us white collar and academic folks ever could.

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DatZNasty said:

Never said that but rock on. They deserve fair compensation for their labor, the burden of which should be placed on their employer like it is in every other industry. And they can factor it into their prices by calculating overhead, operating expenses, profit margins, etc. and set their prices accordingly, again like every other industry. If you want $20 for something, tell me you want $20 and I'll give you that or not. Don't tell me you want $17 and just take for granted I'll give you $20. It's a stupid system that really works well for nobody except employers paying waitstaff $2.15 an hour

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mynameaintG said:

do you tip your friends?

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Dine-and-Dash-Dater Strikes Again! Man, 44, Who Lures in Women Online but Runs Out on their First Dates Before the Check Arrives Claims Another Victim
 
A California woman has become the latest victim of alleged dine-and-dash-dater, who is accused of repeatedly skipping out on dates before the bill arrives. 

The woman, who does not want to be named, said she unwittingly joined LA's most exclusive - and miserable - club on Sunday, when Paul Gonzales fled after eating a small feast at BJ's in Pasadena.

The woman met the handsome Gonzales on the dating app Bumble, and said he sent flattering texts before inviting her to dinner. 

Perhaps she should have been wary when he ordered around $50 of food for himself alone: 'A glass of Pinot, a Caesar salad with a side of shrimp, a steak, and a baked potato.'

That's $50 of food - not including tax and tip.

With just half a potato left to go, Gonzales excused himself to take a call on his cell phone - and never returned.

'The waiter came back and said, "He's not out there, is this a first date?" she told CBS Los Angeles.

'And I said, "Yes, this is a first blind date," and he said, "He's gone."'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...comes-claims-latest-victim.html#ixzz4ba5BeFIW  

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