2017 NBA Playoffs Thread - CLE @ BOS Game 5 on TNT

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Mamba MVP said:
Ok. When Wall doesn't do anything with Brooks I'll remember this.

If anybody got absolved of his shortcomings while they were together it's Beta boy. Lakersman just did it a few posts above.
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People said Brooks made no adjustments and played ISO ball. Is there any trace of this in Washington? No. You know why? It's because John Wall is the PG.
 
The Collector said:
If Russ can't win with his current roster. If Russ can't win with KD and Ibaka. Who are the types of players he can win with?
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The Collector said:
He was up 3-1. There's no excuse for them like there's no excuse for GS losing to Cleveland with a 3-1 lead.

It's literally like Russ can do no wrong and it's never his fault.
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who's saying that he isn't part at fault for losing the series tho? i'm defending this idea that what Russell does isn't "winning basketball". he's been to the finals, he's gotten to several WCF, and has had several 50 win seasons thus far playing with his style. that is more winning than 90 percent of the superstars in the league. Yet his style is constantly killed like it's not effective or doesn't help the team :lol:

He stopped doing that in the 4th. Right now his style of play is hurting the guys around him and he's benefitting himself at their expense.
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how is this style of play "hurting" them tho? nobody on this team outside of two players can create offense for themselves, yet alone other players. His style of play wouldn't be conducive if he had other playmakers around him or guys who were knockdown shooters. However with this current roster it's in the best interest of the team for him to attack and get players wide open looks or layups. Which he did exceptionally for the first three quarters. in the fourth he absolutely took some horrible shots, but the point still remains that other guys weren't exactly lighting it up or playing good ball in that quarter either.

I rather sink with Russ shooting contested threes, then kyle singer & Simaj trying to create offense.
 
The Collector said:
ill steelo said:
Russ was +11.

Semaj was -15.

Thunder lost by 4.

But let's talk about Russ & his flaws.
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I've been saying this all season. According to NT Russ supporters he has no flaws.

Russ had KD and still couldn't get it done. He'll never play with a better player. Was it his teams fault last season or years before that? What more does a MVP caliber player need then KD who was a damn MVP himself?
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Every single player is flawed. You don't win games by yourself anyway, this isn't boxing.

When he had KD & the team was healthy they were eliminated by Dallas, San Antonio, the Heatles, and the Warriors. Better units top to bottom.

Sure he could've played better last season, so could KD & his 28% 3 point shooting. Warriors made 47 threes to just 23 for OKC over those final 3 games.

But most of the time they had far bigger issues in those series than Durant/Russ.

There are 48 mins at the PG spot. He played 41 of them. His backup played 7. The team was outscored by 15 points in those 7 mins. But all we're talking about is Russ.

How about the coach tightening up his rotation?
 
It's sick to me that the casual fan will tell you that Russ plays defense because he LOOKS like he plays defense.

***** got all the tools and refuses to try on that end. It's always pissed me off about him because he CAN defend if he wants to.

That 3 that he gave up to Pat Bev in the corner was crucial. All for a damn rebound.
 
Because he's chasing his own stats and not looking to put his teammates in good positions.  It doesn't matter what their talent level is.  That's bad basketball.

(and btw his teammates really aren't that damn bad.  If anything it's Harden's team who overachieved past their expected talent level this season)
 
I ask again when has Brooks ran this ISO ball offense in Washington? He was to blame when he coached in OKC. Did Brooks change his style or is the primary ball handler different?
 
WavyCrocket said:
It's sick to me that the casual fan will tell you that Russ plays defense because he LOOKS like he plays defense.

***** got all the tools and refuses to try on that end. It's always pissed me off about him because he CAN defend if he wants to.

That 3 that he gave up to Pat Bev in the corner was crucial. All for a damn rebound.
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Kenny smith was saying he one of the best 2 way players in the league. He plays almost as hard as Kawhi.

**** had me disgusted that I was paying to watch him say that.
 
The Collector said:
People said Brooks made no adjustments and played ISO ball. Is there any trace of this in Washington? No. You know why? It's because John Wall is the PG.
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Or it could be because the team doesn't have two of the best Iso players in NBA history on the roster so he's forced to switch his gameplan. I love Wall but he's done NOTHING to prove his game in more cundusive to winning than Russell has so far. this is his best season thus far and it led to a whopping two more wins than a team who is being hel hostage by their PG
 
Sooo you're telling me if Russ defended Beverly better and passed the ball more in the 4th... Thunder could have won?

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But what about the triple double?

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The Collector said:
I ask again when has Brooks ran this ISO ball offense in Washington? He was to blame when he coached in OKC. Did Brooks change his style or is the primary ball handler different?
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John Wall isn't a great iso player. KD and Russ are/were.
 
The Collector said:
I ask again when has Brooks ran this ISO ball offense in Washington? He was to blame when he coached in OKC. Did Brooks change his style or is the primary ball handler different?
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brooks actually did a lot of work since being fired from the thunder.. to his credit

he went and visited other coaches and attended analytics conferences.. he had far bigger issues that prevented him from winning in okc before getting to iso ball with westbrook, Durant and harden
 
tyisny said:
Or it could be because the team doesn't have two of the best Iso players in NBA history on the roster so he's forced to switch his gameplan. I love Wall but he's done NOTHING to prove his game in more cundusive to winning than Russell has so far. this is his best season thus far and it led to a whopping two more wins than a team who is being hel hostage by their PG
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Before January how many more wins did OKC have then Washington? OKC hasn't won at the same clip as Washington since January. Damn near half the season yet people keep talking that 2 game nonsense.
 
getrichquik1987 said:
Sooo you're telling me if Russ defended Beverly better and passed the ball more in the 4th... Thunder could have won?

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But what about the triple double?

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Maybe but his teammates did go 3-11 in the 4th wasn't like they were lighting it up.
 
100027 said:
Because he's chasing his own stats and not looking to put his teammates in good positions.  It doesn't matter what their talent level is.  That's bad basketball.

(and btw his teammates really aren't that damn bad.  If anything it's Harden's team who overachieved past their expected talent level this season)
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He assisted on 10+ scores, those rebounds that people call stat padding are crucial in him getting into the open floor drawing the defense and finding the open man. Dude finds the open man it stat padding he goes into attack mode and passes on hitting the open man he's selfish. its a lose lose

the fact that a dude is averaging 10+ assist per game and people are claiming he doesn't help his teammates is crazy.
 
Mamba MVP said:
Name one person who has said any of this. People have been blaming Russ at large for OKC's shortcomings for YEARS. KD got to skate on everything until last playoffs and that 'Mr. Unreliable' thing.
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yup.. russ was KD's bulletproof vest

I mean dudes forget even simple stuff like when KD would get denied the ball by dues AT LEAST 5-6 inches shorter than him.. I mean you had chris paul and even barea guarding dude at key moments during playoff games.. but still it was westbrook that got the heat

2012 finals, it was harden that went MIA.. and KD had the bigger let downs in the WCF last year
 
tyisny said:
He assisted on 10+ scores, those rebounds that people call stat padding are crucial in him getting into the open floor drawing the defense and finding the open man. Dude finds the open man it stat padding he goes into attack mode and passes on hitting the open man he's selfish. its a lose lose

the fact that a dude is averaging 10+ assist per game and people are claiming he doesn't help his teammates is crazy.
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He had 10 assists in the first half (which they ended with a good lead).  3 in the second. 

He also took a layup to get over 50 when they were down 6 with 13 seconds left.

"I don't care about the stats" 
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Next season will be the same song and dance. OKC won't be any good outside of Russ so he has a built in excuse for another decent season record wise and 1st round exit.

Your MVP folks.
 
The Collector said:
Before January how many more wins did OKC have then Washington? OKC hasn't won at the same clip as Washington since January. Damn near half the season yet people keep talking that 2 game nonsense.
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the season started in November, the first two months aren't discounted because Wall started off slow. He played, he just played bad.
 
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