2017 NBA Playoffs Thread - CLE @ BOS Game 5 on TNT

[Vincent Van Goat]

 
It aint' doc fault man. Doc aint' choke in OKC and against houston at home in game 6. Doc ain't out here getting injured and missing significant time year in and year out. That to me is an oversimplification.

Unless someone comes up with a compelling name I'm not ready to give Doc the boot either

He does over depend on vets but when you weigh the good and bad I don't think it's enough reason to axe him

 

[Air Pope]

Fire Doc Rivers and watch how quick things turn around

I really don't know bout that man.

 

[chizzle]

 
Warriors actually don't have it on lock, because they are going to have to make some key decisions soon. Curry hits FA soon, which they will have to sign right? They don't carry Bird Rights for KD, so they're going to have to shed some contracts to resign him. What made the Warriors so tough before was how deep they were and the team friendly contacts they had. That's slowly slipping away with Klay getting paid, Draymond getting paid, and Curry & KD next.

Basically, Warriors had a couple of lucky years that Curry became Curry during the underpaid years because of that extension, that's ending very soon.

Secondly, I think the Rockets have a team built to beat the Warriors. They have the roster that can actually match up and play to their speed, which the Clippers and Spurs don't.

Okay, so if it's not Doc's fault then you blow the core up and try with new pieces.

It's either that or hire a new voice for the core.

Sitting there and standing pat watching the same thing over and over isn't the answer.

 

[P C H]

 
Warriors actually don't have it on lock, because they are going to have to make some key decisions soon. Curry hits FA soon, which they will have to sign right? They don't carry Bird Rights for KD, so they're going to have to shed some contracts to resign him. What made the Warriors so tough before was how deep they were and the team friendly contacts they had. That's slowly slipping away with Klay getting paid, Draymond getting paid, and Curry & KD next.

Basically, Warriors had a couple of lucky years that Curry became Curry during the underpaid years because of that extension, that's ending very soon.

Secondly, I think the Rockets have a team built to beat the Warriors. They have the roster that can actually match up and play to their speed, which the Clippers and Spurs don't.

You're kind of making the point as to why the Clippers should stick it out. They're young enough and good enough to ride out this GSW wave, which you alluded to it maybe slipping away soon with the decisions they have to make.

And to your other point, I don't think the rockets have the roster to matchup with gsw. I used to think that but not anymore. They can't guard for **** and Harden is awful against them.

Peak current Clippers to me is right there with Houston and San Antonio. I don't see a team out west outside of GSW where you'd say definitively "They're better than the Clippers, they have no shot against them" which is why you gotta stick it out.

 

[chizzle]

Meanwhile while the Clippers are riding it out, the bad teams are getting better and the elite teams have their number.

 

[krazyrodzilla]

Kevin Durant questionable for Game 2 with left calf strain

Golden State Warriors forward Kevin Durant is listed as questionable for Wednesday night's Game 2 of their first-round series against the Portland Trail Blazers because of a strained left calf.

Durant experienced some cramping during Sunday's Game 1, a 121-109 win in which Durant finished with 32 points and 10 rebounds.

Warriors coach Steve Kerr said Durant didn't practice on Tuesday, noting, "If he didn't practice, there's concern."

Durant previously missed 19 games with a strained MCL and a bone bruise in his left leg.

In addition to Durant, Golden State guard Shaun Livingston (finger) and forward Matt Barnes (ankle sprain) are also listed as questionable.

The Blazers will continue to be without center Jusuf Nurkic, who is recovering from a right leg fracture.

 

[P C H]

 
Unless someone comes up with a compelling name I'm not ready to give Doc the boot either

He does over depend on vets but when you weigh the good and bad I don't think it's enough reason to axe him

Pop does the same ****. A lot of coaches do it. You go with your gut. And he isn't the best coach out there, but he's upper tier to me and I'd struggle to find what coach would put the clips in a position to right now come out of the west.

For one, there isn't a coach out there better than Doc with the X's and O's arguably. He's top 3  in that regard to me. And for all his flaws, he's put LAC in fantastic positions in which the players didn't come through.

 

[P C H]

 
Meanwhile while the Clippers are riding it out, the bad teams are getting better and the elite teams have their number.

What elite team has the Clips number outside of Golden State fam?

 

[Vincent Van Goat]

 
LOL, any owner that's not winning championships are concerned about that threshold. Clippers are still selling cheap tickets, don't get it twisted.

Sure, bud. There's being concerned about the threshold, and foolishly blowing your squad up and return to obscurity while alienating your fans

If they blew it up now, how do you suppose the fans would support? To get your team back to even the level they're at would be a roll of the dice and could take several years

Until I hear Ballmer or see some evidence that Ballmer is really that worried about the threshold I'll respectfully disagree with you

 

[Maximus Meridius]

Call a spade a spade. If the Clips should blow it up, then every team in the west should blow it up. Because feasibly, no team has a shot at defeating the warriors 4 times out of 7.

That makes no sense. The Clippers should blow it cuz they can't beat a few teams in the West. They choked against the Rockets 2 years ago and that was their best chance to do something. The Clippers are not in the same situation as the Spurs or even the Rockets. The Clippers fall apart year after year. They can't even make the WCF. All these years, all that talent. At some point you gotta realize it ain't working and move on.

 

[Vincent Van Goat]

That makes no sense. The Clippers should blow it cuz they can't beat a few teams in the West. They choked against the Rockets 2 years and that was their best team. The Clippers are not in the same situation as the Spurs or even the Rockets. The Clippers fall apart year after year. They can't even make the WCF. All these years, all that talent. At some point you gotta realize it ain't working and move on.

Huh? The Clips ousted the Spurs recently. Spurs aren't in that much of a better situation now and in the future than LAC

Houston is in a nice position though

 

[Lovetohate3000]

let the clippers flourish. 1st round legends. 

 

[MVP]

They're almost at like 300 straight sellouts from what I know, but other than that I can't speak on revenue. All I know is that our owner is a billionaire lol

Them "sellouts" are a farce.

 

[P C H]

Them "sellouts" are a farce.

Aight man lol not here to debate that. he asked a question on that topic and I told him what I knew in regards to it.

 

[chizzle]

 
You're kind of making the point as to why the Clippers should stick it out. They're young enough and good enough to ride out this GSW wave, which you alluded to it maybe slipping away soon with the decisions they have to make.

And to your other point, I don't think the rockets have the roster to matchup with gsw. I used to think that but not anymore. They can't guard for **** and Harden is awful against them.

Peak current Clippers to me is right there with Houston and San Antonio. I don't see a team out west outside of GSW where you'd say definitively "They're better than the Clippers, they have no shot against them" which is why you gotta stick it out.

Where does this young thing come from? The Clippers core next year will be 32, 28, 29, 33, & 37. That's a 31.8 age average. In context, the Spurs (oldest team in the league) average age is 32.

 

[Maximus Meridius]

That makes no sense. The Clippers should blow it cuz they can't beat a few teams in the West. They choked against the Rockets 2 years and that was their best team. The Clippers are not in the same situation as the Spurs or even the Rockets. The Clippers fall apart year after year. They can't even make the WCF. All these years, all that talent. At some point you gotta realize it ain't working and move on.

Huh? The Clips ousted the Spurs recently. Spurs aren't in that much of a better situation now and in the future than LAC

Houston is in a nice position though

and what did they do after they ousted the Spurs?


The Clippers have been stuck running in place through this whole Doc/CP3/Blake era. The Spurs are definitely a better situation.

 

[P C H]

That makes no sense. The Clippers should blow it cuz they can't beat a few teams in the West. They choked against the Rockets 2 years ago and that was their best chance to do something. The Clippers are not in the same situation as the Spurs or even the Rockets. The Clippers fall apart year after year. They can't even make the WCF. All these years, all that talent. At some point you gotta realize it ain't working and move on.

Dude, it makes perfect sense. If you can't beat the warriors, what are you celebrating? Losing in the 3rd round instead of the 2nd? That's like saying "Well I didn't win the race, but I was 2nd, you were 3rd"

That's just my perspective on it, but if you don't have a real shot at beating gsw (Which no one does) then IMO you're in the same boat as LAC. The gap between SAS/Hou/LAC isn't that great, if there is one. You could make the argument right now that the Clippers are better than the spurs, who are the 2nd best team in the west right now.

"All these years, all that talent" is a gross oversimplification of how things have gone for the Clippers.

 

[P C H]

 
Where does this young thing come from? The Clippers core next year will be 32, 28, 29, 33, & 37. That's a 31.8 age average. In context, the Spurs (oldest team in the league) average age is 32.

I'm talking about CP/Blake/DJ.

They aren't so old to where you're saying this is their last leg, they should blow it up. You're adding Jamal and JJ to that average, which I wouldn't because I personally wouldn't mind seeing them go. If there were moves to be made, it'd start with those two for me.

 

[chizzle]

 
What elite team has the Clips number outside of Golden State fam?

Rockets, and possibly Utah lol.

 
Sure, bud. There's being concerned about the threshold, and foolishly blowing your squad up and return to obscurity while alienating your fans

If they blew it up now, how do you suppose the fans would support? To get your team back to even the level they're at would be a roll of the dice and could take several years

Until I hear Ballmer or see some evidence that Ballmer is really that worried about the threshold I'll respectfully disagree with you

I take it you think I mean trading everyone and signing D-League players. They should have traded Blake for younger cost controlled players to plug in their weaknesses. You can keep CP3 and DeAndre and fill in the rest.

 
Huh? The Clips ousted the Spurs recently. Spurs aren't in that much of a better situation now and in the future than LAC

Houston is in a nice position though

One lucky series on a buzzer beater, got it. Spurs are still the Spurs until Pop decides to leave.

But, to answer you question, they now have a better than ever Kawhi. They have Pau Gasol to stretch DeAndre, and they don't have to rely on Tim Duncan, Tony Parker, and Manu anymore.

 

[Vincent Van Goat]

and what did they do after they ousted the Spurs?


The Clippers have been stuck running in place through this whole Doc/CP3/Blake era. The Spurs are definitely a better situation.

How are the Spurs in a better situation

 

[chizzle]

 
I'm talking about CP/Blake/DJ.

They aren't so old to where you're saying this is their last leg, they should blow it up. You're adding Jamal and JJ to that average, which I wouldn't because I personally wouldn't mind seeing them go. If there were moves to be made, it'd start with those two for me.

Okay, so let's play this out.

Resign CP and Blake to max deals, then what? JJ is a free agent so you're not getting anything back for him but his cap space, which you'd still be over the cap so you can't do anything with it.

Trade Jamal? 37 year old still owed 28M over 2 years? What could you get back for that?

 

[degenerate423]

APR. 18, 2017 AT 4:38 PM

The Grizzlies Foul So Damn Much

By Kyle Wagner

For the season, the Grizzlies were the team with the biggest disparity between their own free-throw rate and their opponents’. (Free-throw rate is a team’s free-throw attempts divided by its field-goal attempts.) Memphis had a free-throw rate of .280 (pretty good, 11th in the league) and an opponent free-throw rate of .341 (worst in the league) for a league-worst difference of -.061. (The Spurs, meanwhile, were tenth in the league, with a .014 difference.)

That means Memphis spent the whole season sending their opponents to the line more than they got there, which makes Fizdale’s complaint a bit harder to take at face value. The disparity with the Spurs may not have been because of officiating in a single game, but more likely because the Grizzlies’ inside shots often rely on pivot moves or quick stops instead of the bruising drives that are rewarded with free throws, and because of their season-long penchant for fouling shooters.

 

[Vincent Van Goat]

 
Rockets, and possibly Utah lol.

I take it you think I mean trading everyone and signing D-League players. They should have traded Blake for younger cost controlled players to plug in their weaknesses. You can keep CP3 and DeAndre and fill in the rest.

One lucky series on a buzzer beater, got it. Spurs are still the Spurs until Pop decides to leave.

But, to answer you question, they now have a better than ever Kawhi. They have Pau Gasol to stretch DeAndre, and they don't have to rely on Tim Duncan, Tony Parker, and Manu anymore.

Cost controlled players? They're going to still be near the threshold and be a worse team

You either blow it up completely or keep them intact

"Spurs are the Spurs" is a cop out. They've achieved the same exact thing as LAC since Timmy left.. and LAC was decimated with injuries last year

I'll wait to see how both SAS and LAC does in this playoff run to make any conclusions. LAC has no excuse NOT to advance past Utah though

 

[antidope]

Because the second - fourth best player in the league plays for the Spurs.

 

[Maximus Meridius]

That makes no sense. The Clippers should blow it cuz they can't beat a few teams in the West. They choked against the Rockets 2 years ago and that was their best chance to do something. The Clippers are not in the same situation as the Spurs or even the Rockets. The Clippers fall apart year after year. They can't even make the WCF. All these years, all that talent. At some point you gotta realize it ain't working and move on.

Dude, it makes perfect sense. If you can't beat the warriors, what are you celebrating? Losing in the 3rd round instead of the 2nd? That's like saying "Well I didn't win the race, but I was 2nd, you were 3rd"

That's just my perspective on it, but if you don't have a real shot at beating gsw (Which no one does) then IMO you're in the same boat as LAC. The gap between SAS/Hou/LAC isn't that great, if there is one. You could make the argument right now that the Clippers are better than the spurs, who are the 2nd best team in the west right now.

"All these years, all that talent" is a gross oversimplification of how things have gone for the Clippers.

The Clippers have had other issues than the Warriors. Grizz, Houston, OKC. They can't beat any team that puts some pressure on them. Year after year they come up short. Yeah they've had injuries but that's another thing. They lack heart/toughness and they can't stay healthy.