2017 NBA Playoffs Thread - CLE @ BOS Game 5 on TNT

[whiplashtw03]

You guys getting lame man. Take that d measuring contest to the pm.

Don't worry, I'm done with the kid. He ain't worth my time.

 

[EddieDoyers]

 

So are you saying that a team with Kanter, Adams, Oladipo, Roberson, and Gibson can't do any better than what they've done this year? I refuse to believe that.


Russ does a lot for his team, there's no question. But with a stronger coach who is able to control Russ a little bit more, OKC would do better. Not saying BillyD is doing a bad job, but he can certainly do much better if he he truly found ways to get Oladipo and Kanter more involved offensively. Kanter and Oladipo BOTH should be averaging 18-20 consistently hands down.

Kanter is a huge defensive liability where giving him too many minutes would lead him to being a net negative and Oladipo can only average close to 18 by being an inefficient chucker (check his Magic numbers).


Even with a "HoF" caliber coach, this team would be a second round sweep at best. You're overrating the caliber of the current Thunder squad.

This Thunder squad is pretty talented bro. You're underestimating the makeup and balance of this team. They may not be the best defensively, but the Gibson acquisition was done to help improve their interior defense as a result of losing Ibaka. They have length, they have decent shooters, they have a defensive specialist in Roberson, and they have two bigs (aka legitimate CENTERS) that are better than what most playoff teams have. 

Russ is doing WAY TOO MUCH SCORING and is not doing a great job of making his teammates better in spite of his assist numbers. Instead of scoring 40-50 and dishing out 10 assists, the Thunder would be winning more games if he instead scored 25-30 BUT dished out 14-18 assists and placed more focus on locking down his man and found ways to get Oladipo 15-18 shots a game consistently. His teammates defer to him way too much just like Kobe's teammates in '05-07 deferred to him.

Yeah because his teammates can't score on their own unless they are wide, wide open, unless you're Kanter.
Russ passes more, they brick even more. Simple.
Analytics will show that their efficiency goes down even more when Russ is off the floor. Simple as that.

 

[friscostylez]

Lol all I did was laughed at his dimb analysis of russ's game & he got all butt hurt. Go check the receipts, no pun intended.

 

[whiplashtw03]

Who here thinks the Wizards gonna beat the Cavs should they meet in the ECF and why?

I'm looking for a specific answer with regards to matchups because as y'all know, in the playoffs it's all about the matchups.

 

[whiplashtw03]

Yeah because his teammates can't score on their own unless they are wide, wide open, unless you're Kanter.
Russ passes more, they brick even more. Simple.
Analytics will show that their efficiency goes down even more when Russ is off the floor. Simple as that.

Therein lies the problem. They can't score on their own because they have already developed that type of mindset as a result of Russell controlling the rock way too much. If Russ' game was tamed and he only scored about 25 ppg, there'd be more opportunity for his teammates to FIND THEMSELVES and DEVELOP THE AGGRESSIVNESS that can be impactful.

Magic Johnson could've averaged 30 ppg in his prime if he wanted to. But why didn't he? Because he realized guys like Worthy and Byron, whose career ppg averages were well below 20 points, needed to BE INVOLVED. That's why Magic simply averaged 17-20 ppg but dished out 12-15 apg in his prime and it led to multiple titles and conference finals appearances. Magic made Worthy and Scott flourish because he gave them the confidence to shine, instead of forcing his way to score dam near every time down the court. That's the difference between a winner and someone who overwhelms the ball to the detriment of the team.

Granted he had Kareem but back in the 80s, there were TONS of TOP NOTCH ELITE CENTERS such as Moses Malone, Ewing, Olajuwon, Parish, Sampson, etc therefore it was even more imperative that Magic didn't try to do all the scoring by himself and get his wing players opportunities to flourish offensively.

 

[charlie parker]

Went to the Warriors game and witnessed a murder.

I apologize in advance for the for clear pics

Everybody dipped with 7 minutes left in the fourth 

 (Tech money never sleeps)

 

[EddieDoyers]

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Yeah because his teammates can't score on their own unless they are wide, wide open, unless you're Kanter.

Russ passes more, they brick even more. Simple.

Analytics will show that their efficiency goes down even more when Russ is off the floor. Simple as that.

Therein lies the problem. They can't score on their own because they have already developed that type of mindset as a result of Russell controlling the rock way too much. If Russ' game was tamed and he only scored about 25 ppg, there'd be more opportunity for his teammates to FIND THEMSELVES and DEVELOP THE AGGRESSIVNESS that can be impactful.

Magic Johnson could've averaged 30 ppg in his prime if he wanted to. But why didn't he? Because he realized guys like Worthy and Byron, whose career ppg averages were well below 20 points, needed to BE INVOLVED. That's why Magic simply averaged 17-20 ppg but dished out 12-15 apg in his prime and it led to multiple titles and conference finals appearances. Magic made Worthy and Scott flourish because he gave them the confidence to shine, instead of forcing his way to score dam near every time down the court. That's the difference between a winner and someone who overwhelms the ball to the detriment of the team.

Granted he had Kareem but back in the 80s, there were TONS of TOP NOTCH ELITE CENTERS such as Moses Malone, Ewing, Olajuwon, Parish, Sampson, etc therefore it was even more imperative that Magic didn't try to do all the scoring by himself and get his wing players opportunities to flourish offensively.

Robertson isn't going to be making threes like Byron and Oladipo could only wish he would be as fly as Worthy
And Magic is a god level point guard
Russ doesn't have the skills and basketball IQ to make it work like that as a floor general.
He's an elite scorer. He is a great playmaker. He can't be like Magic though.

 

[freeze]

Who should russ **** it to down the stretch? Riddle me that. He gave the ball up and they spent 12-15 seconds in the shot clock trying to locate russ to give it back to him. Those boys not wolves.

 

[noblekane]

GSW will go 16-0.

now thats a bet ill take lol

 

[EddieDoyers]

Who should russ **** it to down the stretch? Riddle me that. He gave the ball up and they spent 12-15 seconds in the shot clock trying to locate russ to give it back to him. Those boys not wolves.

Shoot they had the same problem last year too when it came to clutch time
I swear I would notice that most of the time when Russ had the ball within the last two minute mark, KD would have his hands down and not demand the ball. Sawft *** team without Russ.

 

[whiplashtw03]

 

 

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Yeah because his teammates can't score on their own unless they are wide, wide open, unless you're Kanter.

Russ passes more, they brick even more. Simple.

Analytics will show that their efficiency goes down even more when Russ is off the floor. Simple as that.

Therein lies the problem. They can't score on their own because they have already developed that type of mindset as a result of Russell controlling the rock way too much. If Russ' game was tamed and he only scored about 25 ppg, there'd be more opportunity for his teammates to FIND THEMSELVES and DEVELOP THE AGGRESSIVNESS that can be impactful.

Magic Johnson could've averaged 30 ppg in his prime if he wanted to. But why didn't he? Because he realized guys like Worthy and Byron, whose career ppg averages were well below 20 points, needed to BE INVOLVED. That's why Magic simply averaged 17-20 ppg but dished out 12-15 apg in his prime and it led to multiple titles and conference finals appearances. Magic made Worthy and Scott flourish because he gave them the confidence to shine, instead of forcing his way to score dam near every time down the court. That's the difference between a winner and someone who overwhelms the ball to the detriment of the team.

Granted he had Kareem but back in the 80s, there were TONS of TOP NOTCH ELITE CENTERS such as Moses Malone, Ewing, Olajuwon, Parish, Sampson, etc therefore it was even more imperative that Magic didn't try to do all the scoring by himself and get his wing players opportunities to flourish offensively.

Robertson isn't going to be making threes like Byron and Oladipo could only wish he would be as fly as Worthy
And Magic is a god level point guard
Russ doesn't have the skills and basketball IQ to make it work like that as a floor general.
He's an elite scorer. He is a great playmaker. He can't be like Magic though.

You act like Byron was some sort of 3-point scorer deluxe. Bet you didn't know that the most threes Byron made in a season was 93. And only ONCE in his 14-year career did Byron ever top 80 threes in a season. By comparison, Oladipo has already made more than 80 threes in a season THREE times (84, 98, and 127) and he's only been in the league 4 years! Don't compare Oladipo with Worthy, compare him with Scott since they both played SG!

Meanwhile, although nobody in OKC's roster can compare to Worthy's skill set, Magic also didn't have Russ's athleticism and explosiveness as a guard. If only Russ can learn how to use his great playmaking skills to the ultimate advantage - which is to turn guys like Oladipo, Kanter, and Adams into players that can make big plays at the right moments of the game.

 

[friscostylez]

Who should russ **** it to down the stretch? Riddle me that. He gave the ball up and they spent 12-15 seconds in the shot clock trying to locate russ to give it back to him. Those boys not wolves.

Shoot they had the same problem last year too when it came to clutch time
I swear I would notice that most of the time when Russ had the ball within the last two minute mark, KD would have his hands down and not demand the ball. Sawft *** team without Russ.

I'm sure it wouldn't make a difference whether Durant had a gun pointed to Russ head demanding the ball or Durant had his hands up screaming for the ball, the only time Russ will pass is if he feels like it. Talented player but a cancer

 

[EddieDoyers]

That trio you just mentioned ain't gonna be like Byron, AC Green, Kareem

They don't have that clutch gene in them. They lack the cojones.
Thunder missed keeping Harden with KD and Russ. Oh what could have been.

 

[EddieDoyers]

Who should russ **** it to down the stretch? Riddle me that. He gave the ball up and they spent 12-15 seconds in the shot clock trying to locate russ to give it back to him. Those boys not wolves.

Shoot they had the same problem last year too when it came to clutch time
I swear I would notice that most of the time when Russ had the ball within the last two minute mark, KD would have his hands down and not demand the ball. Sawft *** team without Russ.

I'm sure it wouldn't make a difference whether Durant had a gun pointed to Russ head demanding the ball or Durant had his hands up screaming for the ball, the only time Russ will pass is if he feels like it. Talented player but a cancer

Russ actually passed it to KD most times when KD was actually calling for it.
Oh well, KD gets to play with Steph and Klay now. Not too shabby of a exchange.

 

[Hank Scorpio]

The Thunder are absolutely terrible. They have no business in the postseason.

Warriors are great now, but that interior defense is suspect at times. It really goes as far as Green takes them. If Durant is back at 100% and plays defense the way he did in the 1st half of the season? It's practically game over.

They need Livingston to back healthy as well. Theres so much he does for the defense as well. Warriors aren't invincible.

 

[a-friend]

Who here thinks the Wizards gonna beat the Cavs should they meet in the ECF and why?

I'm looking for a specific answer with regards to matchups because as y'all know, in the playoffs it's all about the matchups.

I do.
The back court of Wall/Beal is too much for a team with an ailing JR.

Frye will be the Wild Card in this one because Cavs still won't play Love late in close games and with Jason Smith having some confidence, I think him, Kieff and Gortat will wear Frye out before it gets to crunch time leaving his legs near dead.

Oubre and Porter need not worry about stopping Lebron, give him all the 2's he can take, just run the rest of the guys off that 3pt line and you're good.

Wall will give Kyrie enough D to keep him from filling that scoring gap left from the lack of 3's

 

[a-friend]

I'm going to need Kieff to read that letter/text again from his agent, too.

 

[freeze]

The Thunder are absolutely terrible. They have no business in the postseason.

Warriors are great now, but that interior defense is suspect at times. It really goes as far as Green takes them. If Durant is back at 100% and plays defense the way he did in the 1st half of the season? It's practically game over.

They need Livingston to back healthy as well. Theres so much he does for the defense as well. Warriors aren't invincible.

neither is super man, but basically same thing. we may be acting like they can't die, word to the collector , but which team is equipped to kill them 4 times out of 7? Spurs another 1 man band. Warriors beat up Houston consistently. Cavs traded defensive toughness for scoring. But you can't just outscore GSW. And I'm not even sure TT can out rebound the bigs of GSW anymore. Thats literally all of the contenders out there.

 

[freeze]

Who here thinks the Wizards gonna beat the Cavs should they meet in the ECF and why?

I'm looking for a specific answer with regards to matchups because as y'all know, in the playoffs it's all about the matchups.

I do.
The back court of Wall/Beal is too much for a team with an ailing JR.

Frye will be the Wild Card in this one because Cavs still won't play Love late in close games and with Jason Smith having some confidence, I think him, Kieff and Gortat will wear Frye out before it gets to crunch time leaving his legs near dead.

Oubre and Porter need not worry about stopping Lebron, give him all the 2's he can take, just run the rest of the guys off that 3pt line and you're good.

Wall will give Kyrie enough D to keep him from filling that scoring gap left from the lack of 3's

this. I absolutely believe Wizards can snuff the cavs. They matchup up pretty well. And Cleveland has issues with teams with multiple scoring threats. Bron is really the only advantage cleveland has position wise. Kyrie will be slowed some by John. And he CANNOT stay with John..AT ALL. Beal will eat. Kevin, while he will get some, I don't think he'll be nearly as open as he typically is. Jason Smith will stick to him. They'll shrink the floor for Bron and his drive and kicks will get picked off. Cleveland created an offensive of pretty much just perimeter shooters, with bron and kyrie being the only consistent paint scorers. You cut off the arch...ay dios mio...they slow to a crawl. And then because they don't defend, even if you do fall behind some, no lead is safe with them this year is you just lock in and stay to your game plan. They can't guard dynamic offenses.

 

[ballinsam23]

I'd honestly love to watch Kawhi, Lebron, or Harden take 43 shots.

 

[hardens beard]

Compilation of Westbrook missing open teammates in the 4th

From Reddit

 

[sole searchin]

Question.

Does Russ make his teammates better?

 

[the collector]

Tonight's winners are...

Pacers
Bucks
Spurs

 

[buc em]

Yesterday a dude in attendance of the Bucks & Raptors game was wearing a JOEL EMBIID jersey.

So irrelevant.

Process truster

 

[jjs07]

I'm coming in hot...

First...

Todd Dybas
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@Todd_Dybas

Millsap: "It's 0-0 to us."
10:36 PM - 19 Apr 2017

Second...

Todd Dybas
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@Todd_Dybas

Millsap says "our small ball is better than theirs."

Third...

Give credit to soft, washed, buster-*** piss-baby Paul Millsap, I suppose, for successfully whining this series into unwatchable whistle-ball, for that is all he accomplished. Despite the referees doing everything short of hogtying D.C.’s frontcourt on his behalf, his Hawks, entering the final days of their 71st consecutive season as basketball’s least-existent franchise, folded up like a convertible sofa in the fourth quarter and fell to the mighty Wizards, 109-101.

The Atlanta Hawks Are The Sorriest ******* Losers In The History Of The Universe