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2017 NBA Playoffs Thread - CLE @ BOS Game 5 on TNT
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Where did the Thunder finish in defensive efficiency, etc?
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He can definitely bench him if McHale can bench Harden.
The team, coach, GM, everything in OKC is flawed. I suggest trade Westbrook or fire Donovan, maybe even both.
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Russ missed a game late in ththe Season and OKC played a fully stocked Wolves, and won 100-98
Abrines shot like 66% and had like 10 in 9mpg
Adams shot like 85% and had 20ish in 30mpg
Oladipo shot like 50% with his 20pts
Everybody else was below avg pretty much.
Again, they aren't bums.
Again, Russ isn't "failing them" or "unable to bring out their best"
It's just not a team built with only him in mind.
Remember how bad Houston was last year?
That team was built for him, but built wrong.
This year after trial and error, they built right and look.
Okc's build wasn't error, it was KD leaving.
You build for Russ now, simple.
Okc will have to fix some small things, that will make a big difference.
If they can't, heads willl roll BUT, use a little of the Ball knowledge we all have, and think outside the vacuum for a minute.
Abrines shot like 66% and had like 10 in 9mpg
Adams shot like 85% and had 20ish in 30mpg
Oladipo shot like 50% with his 20pts
Everybody else was below avg pretty much.
Again, they aren't bums.
Again, Russ isn't "failing them" or "unable to bring out their best"
It's just not a team built with only him in mind.
Remember how bad Houston was last year?
That team was built for him, but built wrong.
This year after trial and error, they built right and look.
Okc's build wasn't error, it was KD leaving.
You build for Russ now, simple.
Okc will have to fix some small things, that will make a big difference.
If they can't, heads willl roll BUT, use a little of the Ball knowledge we all have, and think outside the vacuum for a minute.
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10th I think.
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I guess we can agree to disagree here.
I don't see him benching WB. He has 2 years of NBA Clout. He doesn't have the rank to do that. The team would lose, the media would kill him. He is in a TOUGH spot to bench his best player.
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The issue was Dwight not wanting to play the Capela role in the offense, where he excels out. We also got much better shooters to go along with the solid ones we already had.
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Again I ask, why does it have to be one or the other.
Poorly Constructed Team OR RW not bringing out the best in his teammates?
Do you feel it is possible for it to be a combination of both?
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If your team is getting beaten by double digits when your star is on the bench, your margin for error is less than zero when he's actually playing. Unrealistic. You're going to lose more playoff games than you win in that scenario.
If Russ didn't "literally cost them the last 3 games" lineups featuring Westbrook lineups would have beaten Houston by 15+ points every game. That's just not happening consistently against good teams.
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Looking at stats right now and saw something that stuck out at me which I've mentioned so many times in the past. Russell Westbrook, one of the worst three point shooters of all time (he might still be the worst by the numbers I haven't looked) is shooting way too many there's.
He shot 8 or more threes in four of the five games, all of which they lost.
3-11
2-11
3-8
5-18
The one game they won.... He shot one three. When is he going to stop. This is the one part of his game I don't like.
He shot 8 or more threes in four of the five games, all of which they lost.
3-11
2-11
3-8
5-18
The one game they won.... He shot one three. When is he going to stop. This is the one part of his game I don't like.
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The role players roles get smaller and they can focus primarily on things they're good/better at.. russ' role shrinks slightly, as well, since he doesn't have to carry THAT much of the burden
Vic essentially is replacing waiters
Could still make the Chicago trade, which means you have McDermott and taj to add to the bench.. taj and Adams are the bigs vs the warriors.. then use manger/Adams vs Spurs again
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I assume he takes so many 3's because he is exhausted from doing so much flying around the court. You know it takes a lot of energy to get to the cup. Easier on the cardio to jack up a 3.
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McHale had rank?
I agree it's a tough spot considering how much the media decides to take up for Westbrook, but he was hurting his team those 4th quarters. Not entirely the same situation, but you see what Fizdale did for the Grizzles? You got to make your mark somehow instead of being a figure head.
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I don't take 18 3s in 2K
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McHale at least had 30+ years being in the NBA Fraternity.
Coach Donovan is still a newcomer
Things like that matter man
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Again, how long has Fiz been in the NBA. And that team doesn't rely on ONE player that determines the team's success as much as RW does for OKC
WAY different situation to compare
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I understand the not being able to get their mojo thing which is why I went a bit further and even put the stat with them (the bench basically) beating Wolves.They are players and can play.
Remove Russ completely their game plan changes easy.
And immediately.
Yo these are professionals of the highest order.
Them not carrying their weight while Russ sits has much more to do with them than him.
It's 5-6 minute stretches.
Even if you don't score don't give up 30pts in 5 minutes every time.
It' became a "real thing" as the Season went on so defeat sets in for them immediately mentally and the pressure builds.
It's pressure for sure and they fail, but it doesn't make them bums, but it doesn't mean Russ is to blame entirely, either, for them being out of Rhythm.
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That's part of the job description for a backup PG.
Come off the bench, help keep everything together while the starter catches his breath.
Semaj Christon is a d-league guy. He's underqualified for that role. Donovan gave it to him anyway.
Same for Norris Cole who was out of the league until recently.
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Role players would go back go being role players and not asked to be something their not. Doesn't answer your question but that's my take on it
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I don't think Steph, the goat 3pt shooter, takes 18 3sI don't take 18 3s in 2K
Russ need to embrace the midrange game like Harden and Derozan
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Exhaustion. Harden was gassed too. 20 three balls in the last 2 games alone
Super sluggish. Lou/EJ were HUUUUUUUGE for them.
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One of my gripes with 2k has always been how Russell Westbrook is a good three point shooter in that game. He's literally the worst.I don't take 18 3s in 2K
Russell Westbrook - 30.4%
Jerry Stackhouse - 30.9%
Monta Ellis - 31.3%
Allen Iverson - 31.3%
Gary Payton - 31.7%
As of November and I'd go to basketball reference and look it up but I'm sure he didn't magically climb up the list since then.
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Exhaustion. Harden was gassed too. 20 three balls in the last 2 games alone
Word,Lou hit some pretty big shots down the stretch last night
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Yeah I feel it but the guy was taking a bunch of zero pass threes. He knows by now this isnt his game. It's nowhere near a value add. I get the options are limited but that's no better than option than passing it to Dipo
Exhaustion. Harden was gassed too. 20 three balls in the last 2 games alone
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And his teammates do produce pretty well when he's in there.
He has no problem bringing out their best.
He has a problem closing games.
And this goes back further than this year.
Again, even we don't use the "team is built wrong" narrative, it doesn't make using the "he doesn't bring out the best" narrative the one we use either.
He is flawed player down the stretch, and that can't be fixed with a team "built right" or built for him.
I'm from the thought that, you could give OKC Klay and Korver next year, and he'd still play ISO in the last 5min.
That's a Russ problem, not an anything else problem.
He definitely had a good year, but in my eyes he's the same player.
He did not take that next step, and I'm dissapointed TBH.
He has no problem bringing out their best.
He has a problem closing games.
And this goes back further than this year.
Again, even we don't use the "team is built wrong" narrative, it doesn't make using the "he doesn't bring out the best" narrative the one we use either.
He is flawed player down the stretch, and that can't be fixed with a team "built right" or built for him.
I'm from the thought that, you could give OKC Klay and Korver next year, and he'd still play ISO in the last 5min.
That's a Russ problem, not an anything else problem.
He definitely had a good year, but in my eyes he's the same player.
He did not take that next step, and I'm dissapointed TBH.
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