2017 NBA Playoffs Thread - CLE @ BOS Game 5 on TNT

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tyisny said:
My point is that Russell teammates are conditioned like that because they aren't talented enough for the thunder to win games w/o Russ dominating the rock. If from day one he only focused on getting his players open shots (Which he did A LOT this year also) the Thunder would miss the playoffs because those players don't have the skill to convert on those shots. you could talk Rhythm & "confidence" all you want but there's a big difference in deferring to Lou Will & Eric Gordon vs Oladipo & Roberson. the guys just aren't scorers.
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I actually think Eric Gordon would be having another bad season if he were on OKC.  And you could see someone like McDermott feasting on Houston.  Obviously those are hypotheticals but role players always excel in D'Antoni's system (because everyone touches the ball and is encouraged to shoot)
 
The Collector said:
I've been saying this all season. According to NT Russ supporters he has no flaws.

Russ had KD and still couldn't get it done. He'll never play with a better player. Was it his teams fault last season or years before that? What more does a MVP caliber player need then KD who was a damn MVP himself?
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They went to the finals once and should have gone last season. KD was as complicit as Russ was in that collapse by playing out of character. Russ plays the same way, nobody says he doesn't have flaws, but what he brings to the table positively far outweighs the negatives.
 
The Collector said:
I've been saying this all season. According to NT Russ supporters he has no flaws.

Russ had KD and still couldn't get it done. He'll never play with a better player. Was it his teams fault last season or years before that? What more does a MVP caliber player need then KD who was a damn MVP himself?
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​kd carried russ for years. you cant win with russ as a number one option. his fan wont see it because triple doubles....

 just like Iverson and all his fans that supported him. he cant run a offense, him getting double digit assist doesnt mean he runs an efficient offense. okc is dead last in total passes once  again.

4th to last in secondary assist. you cant win when the ball dont move. russ is a drive and kick player . not  a gifted passer
 
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lakersman3000 said:
​kd carried russ for years. you cant win with russ as a number one option. his fan wont see it , just like Iverson and all his fans that supported him. 
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KD hasn't won as a 1st option either though and had to go to a stacked team with another 2-time MVP on there though [emoji]129300[/emoji].
 
100027 said:
You saw this video?  :  

Have you considered that his teammates are hesitant to shoot because they're not getting the ball consistently?  Failing to move the ball always has a detrimental effect on the offense.


It also is a reason the "hero ball" narrative always reinforces itself, because playing hero ball makes your teammates play worse so it reinforces the narrative "I had to do it all myself".
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They've done this all season, there not getting the ball because when they do get it they hesitate or simply don't finish. EVERYTIME he leaves the game the offense stalls and does worse but somehow it's his fault that players don't have the skill to score? Oladipo & Kanter are literally the only guys on the entire roster who can create their own shots & neither one of them are elite scorers. The ball is in Russ hands this much because Russ attacking and spoon feeding a teammate an open shot or lay up>>>>>>>> him not having the rock and watching his teammates kill the shot clock and throwing up a bad shot anyway.

He played a horrible fourth last night and started to force things, but it was visible frustration at that point. When you put in that much effort and have been playing that well, only to sit for a minute and see evrything turn to **** in the blink of an eye i would have problems trusting these guys too.
 
Addict4Sneakers said:
Rockets need to stick to the middle PNR and Magic needs to ISO less on Roberson.

When they stuck to the script, he hit Gordon for the dagger 3
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Yup Houston was doing everything they could to give the game up :lol:

Ryan Anderson has taken 11 threes, most of them wide open, and has missed every single one.

But Donovan wants to play 12 guys like this is NCAA.

Houston makes those small tweaks like you mentioned, and a few of Ry's wide open looks start falling, this might be a sweep.
 
If Russ can't win with his current roster. If Russ can't win with KD and Ibaka. Who are the types of players he can win with?
 
trueprada said:
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Ring Ready. :smokin
 
The Collector said:
I've been saying this all season. According to NT Russ supporters he has no flaws.

Russ had KD and still couldn't get it done. He'll never play with a better player. Was it his teams fault last season or years before that? What more does a MVP caliber player need then KD who was a damn MVP himself?
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so because he didn't win a championship and lost to a 73 win team in a 7 gm series, his game isn't conductive to winning?
 
Mamba MVP said:
KD hasn't won as a 1st option either though and wanted to go play with  had to go to a stacked team with another 2-time MVP on there though [emoji]129300[/emoji].
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I wouldn't want to play with russ either. curry and warriors are so unselfish. Id pick that team over okc to play with everyday. cant win with iso/hero ball. that's all russ plays.
 
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tyisny said:
They've done this all season, there not getting the ball because when they do get it they hesitate or simply don't finish. EVERYTIME he leaves the game the offense stalls and does worse but somehow it's his fault that players don't have the skill to score? Oladipo & Kanter are literally the only guys on the entire roster who can create their own shots & neither one of them are elite scorers. The ball is in Russ hands this much because Russ attacking and spoon feeding a teammate an open shot or lay up>>>>>>>> him not having the rock and watching his teammates kill the shot clock and throwing up a bad shot anyway.

He played a horrible fourth last night and started to force things, but it was visible frustration at that point. When you put in that much effort and have been playing that well, only to sit for a minute and see evrything turn to **** in the blink of an eye i would have problems trusting these guys too.
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I respect your opinion and I think it's interesting that this is probably one of the most exciting and controversial seasons from a player in a long time.  Overall I don't agree with you and I think you're making too many excuses for Russ.  Greatness isn't "I had to play poorly because my teammates aren't that good".  It's finding a way to be great and make your teammates better even when you do lose.

When he was passing and finding his teammates in the first quarter btw, the team looked awesome.  He stopped doing that in the 4th.  Right now his style of play is hurting the guys around him and he's benefitting himself at their expense.
 
tyisny said:
so because he didn't win a championship and lost to a 73 win team in a 7 gm series, his game isn't conductive to winning?
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He was up 3-1. There's no excuse for them like there's no excuse for GS losing to Cleveland with a 3-1 lead.

It's literally like Russ can do no wrong and it's never his fault.
 
Mamba MVP said:
KD hasn't won as a 1st option either though and had to go to a stacked team with another 2-time MVP on there though [emoji]129300[/emoji].
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Maybe KD just cared about "winning" and didn't care about doing it on the terms of being the hero.  Maybe that's what makes KD better in the end.  [emoji]129300[/emoji]
 
The Collector said:
He was up 3-1. There's no excuse for them like there's no excuse for GS losing to Cleveland with a 3-1 lead.

It's literally like Russ can do no wrong and it's never his fault.
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​game 6 ircc , russ had like 3 turnovers in the last 2 minutes of the game. "Durant choked " tho... sure he did. that not giving a f , careless demeanor he carries on the court can be a huge detriment
 
The Collector said:
He was up 3-1. There's no excuse for them like there's no excuse for GS losing to Cleveland with a 3-1 lead.

It's literally like Russ can do no wrong and it's never his fault.
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Name one person who has said any of this. People have been blaming Russ at large for OKC's shortcomings for YEARS. KD got to skate on everything until last playoffs and that 'Mr. Unreliable' thing.
 
The Collector said:
If Russ can't win with his current roster. If Russ can't win with KD and Ibaka. Who are the types of players he can win with?
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you do realize injuries were the thunders biggest obstacle to winning, right?

last year was the first time one of their 3 most important players didn't finish the season with an injury, since the year they made the finals

2010, they lost to the eventual champion (lakers)

2011, they lost to the eventual champion (mavs)

2012, they lost to the eventual champion (spurs)

2013, as the 1 seed.. westbrook gets hurt in the in the 2nd game of the playoffs

2014, they lost to the eventual champion.. ibaka gets hurt before the western conference finals

2015, westbrook and Durant both get hurt (along with a ton of the roster.. like ibaka missing a bunch of games too)

2016, they lose to the 73 win warriors

not sure how the above is a knock on any player
 
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One thing that bothers me about both KD and Russ is that they're so damn sensitive to the media.  Two of the most sensitive players I can remember.  I think it's the OKC bubble thing.
 
Mamba MVP said:
Name one person who has said any of this. People have been blaming Russ at large for OKC's shortcomings for YEARS. KD got to skate on everything until last playoffs and that 'Mr. Unreliable' thing.
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The point is Russ is the constant. With KD can't win. Without KD can't win. With Brooks can't win. Without Brooks can't win.

Russ style of play is the issue. He can't be your PG. This isn't a new criticism.
 
itsaboutthattime said:
you do realize injuries were the thunders biggest obstacle to winning, right?

last year was the first time one of their 3 most important players didn't finish the season with an injury, since the year they made the finals

2010, they lost to the eventual champion (lakers)
2011, they lost to the eventual champion (mavs)
2012, they lost to the eventual champion (spurs)
2013, as the 1 seed.. westbrook gets hurt in the in the 2nd game of the playoffs
2014, they lost to the eventual champion.. ibaka gets hurt before the western conference finals
2015, westbrook and Durant both get hurt (along with a ton of the roster.. like ibaka missing a bunch of games too)

2016, they lose to the 73 win warriors


not sure how the above is a knock on any player
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It's funny how you can find nuance and context when it comes to Russell Westrbook....but slander Cp3....[emoji]128580[/emoji]

I'm sleep though.
 
The Collector said:
The point is Russ is the constant. With KD can't win. Without KD can't win. With Brooks can't win. Without Brooks can't win.

Russ style of play is the issue. He can't be your PG. This isn't a new criticism.
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Ok. When Wall doesn't do anything with Brooks I'll remember this.

If anybody got absolved of his shortcomings while they were together it's Beta boy. Lakersman just did it a few posts above.
 
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