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Yea you right. I knew it was something like that, where the artist always end up getting shafted...
Rap About Nothing: Hip Hop Chat Thread
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bruh streaming is the predominant way that people consume music today, period. its a fact.
And you telling me you think its unreasonable for the industry to adjust and take into account the main way _'s listen?
I see what you saying but the truth is streaming helping the industry out a lot. **** has been sliding since Napster came onto the scene and dudes figured out they didn't have to buy ****. 360 deals, artist development departments getting nixed, smaller budgets etc is what _'s got as a result. This streaming **** generated more revenue last year than digi downloads and cd's combined.
As far as gold and platinum designations that **** has always been fluff, we talking about the RIAA not SoundScan. Even during the golden age you had _'s going plat off 700-800 k sold meanwhile the rest of the albums sitting on shelves and in warehouses waiting to returned back to the label for a refund
bruh streaming is the predominant way that people consume music today, period. its a fact.
And you telling me you think its unreasonable for the industry to adjust and take into account the main way _'s listen?
I see what you saying but the truth is streaming helping the industry out a lot. **** has been sliding since Napster came onto the scene and dudes figured out they didn't have to buy ****. 360 deals, artist development departments getting nixed, smaller budgets etc is what _'s got as a result. This streaming **** generated more revenue last year than digi downloads and cd's combined.
As far as gold and platinum designations that **** has always been fluff, we talking about the RIAA not SoundScan. Even during the golden age you had _'s going plat off 700-800 k sold meanwhile the rest of the albums sitting on shelves and in warehouses waiting to returned back to the label for a refund
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I really wouldn't be surprised if the labels own stock in the streaming services
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Streaming is a tricky way to gauge someones success because it can work both ways. Like dude said there's a big difference in support of a fan who buys your record or someone who likes one of your songs and is playing it off someone's free subscription (which we always looked at album sales as an indicator). So Any artist has ONE huge single and they throw it on a project, suddenly that project shoots up to Gold or Platinum quickly, despite most people just playing a particular song or two. So there's alot of guys with platinum singles these days who 2-3 years ago wouldn't be getting those
Now the flipside is artist 2-5 years ago were releasing literally free music. With the blogs, and mixtape websites, illegal downloads/torrents etc etc people were consuming these songs, yet there was no way to keep a metric of things like that. Now due to the availability of music & the user compatibility of streaming Alot of people are simply flipping there phones open and screening all the new music in these apps. Now the numbers are actually counted so we could argue that sales of the past few years weren't telling the whole story either
The lines are blurred on what should count as an album sale, Before you literally had to buy the whole project & pay more than you do for any streaming service. But that takes real support. Now you can have one or two songs that everyone listens to, have it out for a few months, throw them on your new project and your basically guaranteed gold although there wasn't much attention paid to the rest of the project.
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Also let it be known this is why Jay bought & sold percentages of Tidal too other artist, and they are reported to pay much more to the artist compared to the other services (albeit still not a HUGE difference, but when your dealing with millions of plays a decimal over could be a big difference )
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I know that a high number of music is consumed through streams but there's so many holes that I don't think it should count towards sales. My girl would never buy a Migos, Future or Khaled album but she likes a couple songs. That shouldn't count as a sale especially if she's listening for free. Fans let **** run on repeat all week long to try to increase sales. Labels do their own **** to boost streams. They need to separate sales and streams, **** is misleading as ****.
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I would agree but nobody's really buying music anymore on a large scale
I fought it for the longest
now I have apple music and haven't looked back
I fought it for the longest
now I have apple music and haven't looked back
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Singles use to be sold for $1.99 - $5.99 back in the days though...
You could cop the single on cassette or CD. Streaming is like having singles, on steroids. It's all the same
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How do we know that listening to one song counts as a sale?
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It was actually the opposite
Drake hopped on Future's stuff in the middle of his ascent, making some of his best music. It's basically KD to the Warriors. Not needed, but a great luxury to have.
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Listening to one song like 10 or 15 times counts as a sale which is dumb, especially when you can do it for free or one person can share their purchase with a few people. Like when I bought my NaS albums, letting people borrow them and listen to them wouldn't count as multiple sales. I just don't agree with it. Gotta separate the two.
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It's 1500 streams to make a sale. Totally different than whatever you're talking about.
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Joey being on the show just to be on the show was dope. This is how random guests should be.
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Baller been fighting against streaming for the longest. it's over bruh.
it's over bruh.
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It was actually the opposite
we're saying the same thing
yes future was on fire but drake was and is the bigger draw
future gained way more eyes off the collab than drake
drake tried to gaffle the sound as always but future kept feeding the streets with music with the new attention on him
drake prolly also helped with whatever apple deal/push future has
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Serious question
Could Budden go on a nice little run if he dropped an album now? He got a little new exposure with this show
Could Budden go on a nice little run if he dropped an album now? He got a little new exposure with this show
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He'd have to drop Mood Boomin with Metro Boomin
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No
His album that dropped during Love and Hip Hop did well though. He not selling or streaming good numbers. People hate him. Too "negative"
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Yeah I was confused on what he was going on about. Maybe what he's saying applies to singles, but the RIAA has said for a while that you need 1500 streams. I'm sure that means the whole album as well
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That's not the problem
He doesn't make music that's pop.
He has a niche fanbase that cares about lyricism and/or relates to some of his subject.
He does good numbers for a indie artist. Like he says, he does better now than when he was on Def Jam.
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for a single you need 150 to count as a sale, for an album you need 10 "single sales" (150 x 10 = 1500 streams) to count as a sale
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I'm not disagreeing but he was saying because of this show he's getting so much attention and publicity. A lot of people that watch don't like him. View him as old and negative so I don't see the show helping his sales or streams.!
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joes problem is obvious
he's not gonna play the politics properly
especially since he's looking at these platforms as competition now
he could do well pumping thru the podcast and show tho, get decent numbers and a lot of money
he's not gonna play the politics properly
especially since he's looking at these platforms as competition now
he could do well pumping thru the podcast and show tho, get decent numbers and a lot of money
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I actually could see him getting a popular song
Doing a song with Tory or SZA or something, because of the podcast and complex show
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he got the hit maka plug now too lol
he could heat up
I still listen to mood music 2 from time to time and I heard his last joint was good but I always forget to check it out
but my point is he showed his hand, the outlets know he's tryna outshine em
he could heat up
I still listen to mood music 2 from time to time and I heard his last joint was good but I always forget to check it out
but my point is he showed his hand, the outlets know he's tryna outshine em
