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Do you guys think that there is a possibility that Jordan brand would actually start reducing manufacturing numbers since like nothing is selling out? The fact that the unc 11s are at outlets blows my mind. Yeah people can say that they are still making their money, but you got to think that there are customers that are now just waiting to cop on the low at disco.




In before the smartass that says if they are selling it above 5 bucks it is profit.
post #2 of 45
I think they might curb releases in 2018 but keep stock the same. I think a lot more pairs would sellout (even as massive GRs) if there were fewer releases. It seems like for every 1 release that sells well there are 2-3 that sit for months.
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what a thread to have in 2017 laugh.gif

unc XI's were never my cup of tea, baby blue as a color been out of fashion for since da late 90's-early 00's
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Do you guys think that there is a possibility that Jordan brand would actually start reducing manufacturing numbers since like nothing is selling out? The fact that the unc 11s are at outlets blows my mind. Yeah people can say that they are still making their money, but you got to think that there are customers that are now just waiting to cop on the low at disco.




In before the smartass that says if they are selling it above 5 bucks it is profit.

The fact that you referenced the unc 11s at the outlets makes me even wonder if you really know what's good.

The comment that NOTHING is selling out also makes me question some things.
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"Jordan earned $110 million in 2015 thanks to sales of Nike's Jordan brand increasing by 14%, according to Forbes."
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The fact that you referenced the unc 11s at the outlets makes me even wonder if you really know what's good.

it is more of the fact that a low 11 that is not an IE, is at an outlet. It used to not matter. if it was an 11 then it flew.

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The fact that you referenced the unc 11s at the outlets makes me even wonder if you really know what's good.

The comment that NOTHING is selling out also makes me question some things.
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Maybe he means GOF/Pantone 11s? I believe those actually hit some outlets in scattered sizes. UNC 11 lows just released so I doubt they're at outlets already.
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Retros always been at the outlets though...

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Maybe he means GOF/Pantone 11s? I believe those actually hit some outlets in scattered sizes. UNC 11 lows just released so I doubt they're at outlets already.

multiple vlogs of them there are 119.99

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The fact that you referenced the unc 11s at the outlets makes me even wonder if you really know what's good.
it is more of the fact that a low 11 that is not an IE, is at an outlet. It used to not matter. if it was an 11 then it flew.

Wrong. 11 lows just started flying recently and having them at an outlet immediately after a release generally means they are returns my dude.
White/Carolina blue isn't a popular colorway amongst the general population. I mean, how often do you see people wearing that colorway on a day to day basis?
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The fact that you referenced the unc 11s at the outlets makes me even wonder if you really know what's good.

The comment that NOTHING is selling out also makes me question some things.
🤔

Maybe he means GOF/Pantone 11s? I believe those actually hit some outlets in scattered sizes. UNC 11 lows just released so I doubt they're at outlets already.

ALL SHOES HIT OUTLETS EVEN WHEN THEY SELL OUT AT RETAIL laugh.gif
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The fact that you referenced the unc 11s at the outlets makes me even wonder if you really know what's good.

The comment that NOTHING is selling out also makes me question some things.
🤔

Maybe he means GOF/Pantone 11s? I believe those actually hit some outlets in scattered sizes. UNC 11 lows just released so I doubt they're at outlets already.

ALL SHOES HIT OUTLETS EVEN WHEN THEY SELL OUT AT RETAIL laugh.gif

usually b grades, point still stands thou laugh.gif

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Retros always been at the outlets though...

A lot of people seem to have only gotten in to kicks over the past few years. So they think hype is more important than buying what you like.
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The fact that you referenced the unc 11s at the outlets makes me even wonder if you really know what's good.

The comment that NOTHING is selling out also makes me question some things.
🤔

Maybe he means GOF/Pantone 11s? I believe those actually hit some outlets in scattered sizes. UNC 11 lows just released so I doubt they're at outlets already.

ALL SHOES HIT OUTLETS EVEN WHEN THEY SELL OUT AT RETAIL laugh.gif

usually b grades, point still stands thou laugh.gif

A grades of the same shoe hit too especially at clearance outlets.
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post #14 of 45
But I actually did hear that JB is rolling back production in 2018...

Not sure if that means less releases with the same quantities or if we're going back to 2012ish in terms of distribution numbers. We'll see, I suppose.




...If you're smart though, you are relishing in this time when retros are once again hitting outlets or, at the least, don't need to buy on release date to secure a pair.
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But I actually did hear that JB is rolling back production in 2018...

Not sure if that means less releases with the same quantities or if we're going back to 2012ish in terms of distribution numbers. We'll see, I suppose.




...If you're smart though, you are relishing in this time when retros are once again hitting outlets or, at the least, don't need to buy on release date to secure a pair.

Got all the 1s I wanted already. BC3 and there's nothing left JB could produce that I already have. 

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But I actually did hear that JB is rolling back production in 2018...

Not sure if that means less releases with the same quantities or if we're going back to 2012ish in terms of distribution numbers. We'll see, I suppose.


...If you're smart though, you are relishing in this time when retros are once again hitting outlets or, at the least, don't need to buy on release date to secure a pair.

The only issue...

I think Jordan is after numbers and sales. They don't care about sitting. They care about revenue.

Cutting down numbers and releases cuts in to that.

I think the issue more than anything is the number of releases. They're releasing something almost every weekend. Sometimes multiple releases.

For all star week you would have to spend $600(XIII's, I's, VI's). That's ridiculous. Then they released the XII's and alternates a week later. So you're going to see a wall of Jordan's sitting if you release eight releases in just one month.
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But I actually did hear that JB is rolling back production in 2018...

Not sure if that means less releases with the same quantities or if we're going back to 2012ish in terms of distribution numbers. We'll see, I suppose.


...If you're smart though, you are relishing in this time when retros are once again hitting outlets or, at the least, don't need to buy on release date to secure a pair.

The only issue...

I think Jordan is after numbers and sales. They don't care about sitting. They care about revenue.

Cutting down numbers and releases cuts in to that.

I think the issue more than anything is the number of releases. They're releasing something almost every weekend. Sometimes multiple releases.

For all star week you would have to spend $600(XIII's, I's, VI's). That's ridiculous. Then they released the XII's and alternates a week later. So you're going to see a wall of Jordan's sitting if you release eight releases in just one month.

I think the vendors are pushing back because of them struggling to make sales.
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post #18 of 45
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I think the vendors are pushing back because of them struggling to make sales.

It's crazy. Why would they think anyone could buy so many kicks at $200 a pop. Much less wear them.

It's kicks I like or that I probably would have gotten if they didn't have so many releases.

Now I'm like the ones you got me on, that I paid full price for, true blues, storm blues. I'm going to wait on others(motorsports and alternates) now and if I don't get them I don't get them. Resell won't be that high if I really want them anyway.
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I think the vendors are pushing back because of them struggling to make sales.

It's crazy. Why would they think anyone could buy so many kicks at $200 a pop. Much less wear them.

It's kicks I like or that I probably would have gotten if they didn't have so many releases.

Now I'm like the ones you got me on, that I paid full price for, true blues, storm blues. I'm going to wait on others(motorsports and alternates) now and if I don't get them I don't get them. Resell won't be that high if I really want them anyway.

I think it's brilliant what they are doing.
I mean, Nike gets to get the product sent back to them and can sell them at their factory stores while cutting out the middle man where the middle man can't complain since they couldn't sell them laugh.gif
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post #20 of 45
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Got all the 1s I wanted already. BC3 and there's nothing left JB could produce that I already have. 

There's way more to the JB legacy than 1s and 3s, but to each, their own.
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post #21 of 45
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There's way more to the JB legacy than 1s and 3s, but to each, their own.

I don't buy shoes because of the legacy of another man. I buy them because I like them. 

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The only issue...

I think Jordan is after numbers and sales. They don't care about sitting. They care about revenue.

Cutting down numbers and releases cuts in to that.

I think the issue more than anything is the number of releases. They're releasing something almost every weekend. Sometimes multiple releases.

For all star week you would have to spend $600(XIII's, I's, VI's). That's ridiculous. Then they released the XII's and alternates a week later. So you're going to see a wall of Jordan's sitting if you release eight releases in just one month.

Valid point.

Bottom line trumps everything, especially for public companies. With that said, however, perception is important. There's a reason that premium brands dont just ramp up production to meet demand. People want what they can't have. Interested to see how JB continues to stay competitive in an ever-changing market. Adidas kind of has the sauce right now, but it won't last. Adidas doesn't have enough to keep up.

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It's crazy. Why would they think anyone could buy so many kicks at $200 a pop. Much less wear them.

It's kicks I like or that I probably would have gotten if they didn't have so many releases.

Now I'm like the ones you got me on, that I paid full price for, true blues, storm blues. I'm going to wait on others(motorsports and alternates) now and if I don't get them I don't get them. Resell won't be that high if I really want them anyway.

I hear you, but once upon a time, didn't matter what the cost was or how often they were released. Every and all Jordan retro models sold out. It'll happen again, eventually. But not in the immediate future.

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I think it's brilliant what they are doing.
I mean, Nike gets to get the product sent back to them and can sell them at their factory stores while cutting out the middle man where the middle man can't complain since they couldn't sell them laugh.gif

Indeed. Mirrors the music industry right now. Cut out the middle man. Tony Montana style.
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I don't buy shoes because of the legacy of another man. I buy them because I like them. 

Lol. Ok. Then I really don't understand the point of your original response...just letting everyone know that you only want 1s and 3s and once you get black cement 3s, you're done?
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Lol. Ok. Then I really don't understand the point of your original response...just letting everyone know that you only want 1s and 3s and once you get black cement 3s, you're done?

Reading comprehension like Floyd Mayweather. 

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Got all the 1s I wanted already. BC3 and there's nothing left JB could produce that I already have. 

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Reading comprehension like Floyd Mayweather. 

That's funny.

Reread what you originally wrote. Then go ahead and make another irrelevant response or insult.

Peace.
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post #26 of 45
If they start reducing the amount shoes produced, the only people that will be affected is people like you and I.


There was a time when the only shoes worth having were limited or would be sold out before the store even opened. And if you we're lucky enough to obtain a pair, you could be unlucky enough to have a pistol pointed in your face and have them stripped.


Amazing how people act like these times never existed, when it really wasn't even that long ago.


GM changed all that. Nike floods the market now, so you have no rational reason buy Grey Market.


Sad to say, it had nothing to do with people getting shot, or long time fans and customers going home empty handed without a shoe they wanted since they were a kids. That's how Nike did business. Every release of a sought after shoe, would only created an even BIGGER demand for that shoe, by leaving a large number of people empty handed.


This is why I say Nike created the resale market. Rather or not they did it on purpose, I'm not sure, but their business practices gave birth to 500$+ resale prices being common place.


And it baffles me every time I see some one say resale hurts Nike. HOW??? Are you freaking serious? Kids these days think market value is ACTUAL VALUE! So to them a pair of concords on ebay for 599, means that concords are WORTH 599. So when Nike comes around December and sells them for the better part of 250,it seems reasonable.



I sort of understand what would make you question the amount of shoes being put out. Just be happy that it is this way. Because if it ever goes back to the ways of 2002-2009, you'll beg for things to be the way they are now.
post #27 of 45
Air Jordans have been going on sale since 1985. Nothing new. What's actually new, was the increase in sell-outs for a few years. Other than that, Nike make their money 10 fold usually...I mean, most shoes past the initial development cost, is about $18 per pair produced estimated.

So let's do the math. UNC 11s cost $175. Lets just say production numbers are 100,000. That's $1.8 million in production cost and a projected profit of $17.5 if they never hit outlets. Even if half the stock goes to outlets, that's still $6.95 million gross profit estimated with 50,000 pairs sitting.
post #28 of 45
one thing you guys forget nike/jordan is already paid once the shoes hit the stores or when nike sells direct to us then its money from the public
and they can absorb all the RTV's they been getting that's why alot of a grade shoes have hit outlets

when shoes hit the outlets every shoe and piece of clothing is already paid for
outlets are nikes biggest money maker

what will worry nike is soft future orders from their accounts that means less revenue coming in

nike did this to themselves
putting out way too many retros

raising the price on all their shoes across the board

also releasing too much crap

the biggest mistake is letting kanye west go and letting adidas take the cool factor away from nike

but dont worry i believe MJ made more in 2016 then ever before with nike
Edited by 160jordansdeep - 4/23/17 at 1:29pm
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The fact that you referenced the unc 11s at the outlets makes me even wonder if you really know what's good.

The comment that NOTHING is selling out also makes me question some things.
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Every thing hits outlets even 11s, PRMs, and other things that sell out fast. The OP is definitely ignorant on the way things work and should try to figure out the process of shoes hitting outlets as well as knowing what people buy and don't. UNC shoes usually don't sell that fast(they still end up selling sooner or later).

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If they start reducing the amount shoes produced, the only people that will be affected is people like you and I.


There was a time when the only shoes worth having were limited or would be sold out before the store even opened. And if you we're lucky enough to obtain a pair, you could be unlucky enough to have a pistol pointed in your face and have them stripped.


Amazing how people act like these times never existed, when it really wasn't even that long ago.


GM changed all that. Nike floods the market now, so you have no rational reason buy Grey Market.


Sad to say, it had nothing to do with people getting shot, or long time fans and customers going home empty handed without a shoe they wanted since they were a kids. That's how Nike did business. Every release of a sought after shoe, would only created an even BIGGER demand for that shoe, by leaving a large number of people empty handed.


This is why I say Nike created the resale market. Rather or not they did it on purpose, I'm not sure, but their business practices gave birth to 500$+ resale prices being common place.


And it baffles me every time I see some one say resale hurts Nike. HOW??? Are you freaking serious? Kids these days think market value is ACTUAL VALUE! So to them a pair of concords on ebay for 599, means that concords are WORTH 599. So when Nike comes around December and sells them for the better part of 250,it seems reasonable.



I sort of understand what would make you question the amount of shoes being put out. Just be happy that it is this way. Because if it ever goes back to you'll beg for things to be the way they are now.


you mean the ways of 2011-2014, back in 2002 to 2009 sure the resale market was starting in about 2005 more and more resellers where popping up


in the years of 2000 to 2006 you could find retros for under $100.00 if you know where to look
even up to 2011 if you where in the know
Edited by 160jordansdeep - 4/23/17 at 1:32pm
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