Funk Master Flex keeps it on IG live (vol. pac, rap history)

 
I think it was a three album deal.  AEOM covered two of those.  7 Day Theory would have been the third.
nah that was 1 album, and 7 day theory was from supposed to be a "mixtape" so who knows if that would of counted as #2

Suge needed that $$$ so he released it as a album
 
 
nah that was 1 album, and 7 day theory was from supposed to be a "mixtape" so who knows if that would of counted as #2

Suge needed that $$$ so he released it as a album
I have never heard of the 7 Day Theory being called a mixtape.  That was always supposed to be a retail album.  Historically, double albums were counted as 2.
 
 
I have never heard of the 7 Day Theory being called a mixtape.  That was always supposed to be a retail album.  Historically, double albums were counted as 2.
Yea it was suppose to be just for swapmeets and just appear with the new rap name etc...

Suge didn't really like it for the record
 
One of them MOB _'s. Call Suge in jail or something. Can't just go to LA like it's sweet.


Just remembered most of Suges crew got too
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Pac went back to NY like ish was sweet, BIG was trying to promote that album he wasn't gon let Pac death stop his career
 
Big was stalked and video taped around LA the whole time he was there. Still don't know wth Puff was thinking with that move. Calvin Klein said the same thing.
 
Can we just link the old thread that spelled everything out? Forgot who dropped all the info
 
In hindsight I can understand why Big went out there because you can't be screaming innocent but alienating fans in cali because you're afraid to go out there. He felt like Pac made his own bed which is why he ended up gone but damn man :smh: :wow: Puff shoulda beefed up security heavier
 
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It's been 20 years and this is the first time I've ever heard anyone say Pac owed Suge. I would love for you to explain that one.


His mom won cases against Suge and DR because they didn't pay Pac. It's been said by mad people in the industry and also people close to DR and Pac. Pac wasn't getting paid. So I don't understand how you can say Pac owed Suge. I don't know for what.

All Eyez On Me counts as two albums, not one.




Flex looking kind of sick, real skinny
 
It's been 20 years and this is the first time I've ever heard anyone say Pac owed Suge. I would love for you to explain that one.


His mom won cases against Suge and DR because they didn't pay Pac. It's been said by mad people in the industry and also people close to DR and Pac. Pac wasn't getting paid. So I don't understand how you can say Pac owed Suge. I don't know for what.

All Eyez On Me counts as two albums, not one.




Flex looking kind of sick, real skinny
AEOM counted as 1 album

Pac came outta prison owing Suge millions for getting him out, lawyer fees etc...(David Kenner wasn't cheap)

AEOM was basically his payment to Suge He wasn't gon see any of them royalties from that album while he was alive

he was already 5-10m in the whole 
 
Bailing him out was 1.5 million and I think they said Suge paid less than that. So if you want to include lawyer fees and bs cool, I'll give you 2 mil he owed him. That **** was all recouped with AEOM. Album sold so ****** much that Pac was owed money from that. Again, I've never ever heard ANYONE say Pac owed Suge ****. Artists, family and friends have all said Suge was robbing Pac and owed him. That **** ain't even debatable G.



http://ew.com/article/1997/07/25/tupacs-missing-millions/

On Sept. 14, 1996, seven days after gangsta rapper Tupac Amaru Shakur was cut down in a drive-by shooting near the Las Vegas Strip, his mother, Afeni Shakur, 50, went back to the family home in Stone Mountain, Ga., to sort through her son's belongings, including the now-infamous three-page handwritten contract he'd signed from prison with Death Row Records' CEO, Marion ''Suge'' Knight, almost 12 months earlier.
Even in her grief, Afeni, a former Black Panther activist, was angry as hell. The contract locked Tupac into a Faustian deal with Knight, who agreed to put up Tupac's bail money in exchange for his signature on the three-album, $3.5 million-plus contract. Where were all the advances and royalties the contract promised?
Moreover, how could her son produce three CDs in the last year of his life, sell reportedly more than $60 million worth of records — enough to make him one of the top-selling domestic artists — yet still wind up an alleged several million dollars in debt to Death Row?
Singers, among all the various species of celebrity, seem to have a peculiar affinity for financial calamity. Performers as diverse as Tom Petty, Hammer, TLC, Meat Loaf, and Wayne Newton were all set for life, only to later declare bankruptcy. But Tupac's postmortem financial saga, which has sprouted a handful of lawsuits, overshadows them all.
Because Tupac Shakur died intestate (without a will), his mother had to file court papers establishing herself as the administrator of his estate and the sole living heir. While he was alive, Tupac supported Afeni with more than $16,000 a month. Now she is concerned about protecting her son's memory as well as her own future.
Soon after Tupac's bizarre, and so far unsolved, murder, Afeni called a lawyer she trusted, New York trial attorney Richard Fischbein. Years earlier, he had advised her when she represented herself and won acquittal on 156 counts related to blowing up police stations and other public buildings in the '70s.
Fischbein flew out to Los Angeles. He found that the rapper, who died at 25, had barely anything to show for his chart-topping career. No mutual funds. No IRA. No real estate. Tupac didn't even own his Woodland Hills, Calif., home. There was only a five-figure life insurance policy (the beneficiary was his half sister, Sekyiwa), two cars, and a single checking account that contained less than $105,000. Court fees and taxes would consume that quickly. The situation was so bad that when a young woman named Jacquelyn McNealey, paralyzed by a stray bullet during a Tupac concert in Arkansas, sued Tupac and asked for $16.6 million in damages, no one showed up in court to defend the estate.
Death Row has contended that it was Tupac's own profligate spending that left him so broke. There may be more than an element of truth to this. For example, Tupac spent walletloads of money on a lifestyle that led him into trouble, and lots more on defense attorneys to fend it off. Even at his death, he was out on bail, paying a criminal-law firm to appeal his 18-month-to-four-and-a-half-year prison sentence for sexual misconduct against a woman in a New York City hotel room. Furthermore, Death Row sources have reportedly said that the label advanced large sums of cash to Tupac for everything from recording and video costs to cars and furniture.
Still, it seems unlikely that a performer who is entitled to 18 percent royalties on $70 million in sales of his first Death Row album, All Eyez on Me, would be driven to insolvency by attorney fees and high living expenses. In a lawsuit filed in April against Death Row, Knight, and Death Row attorney David Kenner, Afeni — seeking $150 million in damages — claims that $50 million of Tupac's income was improperly diverted. Death Row was a criminal enterprise, Afeni charges in her lawsuit, that kept her son under complete financial control as it stealthily wove a conspiracy to rip him off. Death Row, Knight, and Kenner have not yet filed an answer to the complaint. None of the defendants responded to requests for comment.
According to the complaint, as of September 1995, Tupac's lawyer was defendant Kenner. The suit contends that Kenner not only failed to protect Tupac's interests but actually collaborated with Knight to milk cash from Tupac's royalty accounts with faked expense claims. It's regarded as an industry norm for record companies to pay a singer's recording costs as well as expenses like security or limos, then deduct it from the artist's earnings. But Afeni's complaint claims that many of the expenses billed to her son's account were improper. For instance, allegedly Tupac was charged $23,857 for repairs to a Porsche automobile; while Suge Knight owned a Porsche, Tupac did not. Or this: allegedly Tupac was charged more than $120,000 in rental costs for a Malibu home that was actually occupied by Kenner. The Death Row attorney has reportedly denied any conflict of interest, insisting that Tupac was represented by another attorney. Death Row reportedly has denied mishandling Tupac's account.
Afeni's lawsuit also alleges that Tupac was charged $2,700 for another Death Row performer's child-support payment. The suit further alleges that in February 1996, Tupac was billed $115,507 for jewelry purchased from a business owned by a personal friend of Knight's accountant. According to the suit, Knight claimed the jewelry was his gift to Tupac but the CEO never paid the bill. (Tupac's estate is now being sued by the jeweler.)
It's unlikely Tupac knew what he was or wasn't being billed for. "He was not stupid," says Alan Light, former editor in chief of Vibe magazine, "but he was very young. In terms of day-to-day life, artists [like Tupac] are living in a certain sort of luxury, and often are not aware they are paying for [it]."
The lawsuit alleges that when Tupac did ask his friend Suge Knight about money, he never received a satisfactory answer. If that's true, it's not shocking, since the financial blind were leading the financial blind. In March, The Wall Street Journal reported that Death Row's bank accounts in Beverly Hills were regularly overdrawn. The FBI and the IRS are reportedly sifting the company's records, looking for evidence of money laundering and drug trafficking. Knight reportedly has denied that Death Row has any connection to criminal activities.
Confronted with what appeared to be a morass of shady dealings, Afeni and attorney Fischbein used hardball tactics to track down and recover a surprising amount of cash. The result? Ten months after the rapper's death, his estate is now worth $15-25 million. Tupac died broke, but it may have had less to do with overspending or the alleged misappropriations than with his never trying very hard to collect the millions owed him.
Initially, Afeni and Fischbein didn't have much luck. According to Fischbein, they scheduled a 10 p.m. meeting with Knight at the record company offices in L.A. soon after Tupac's death. They wanted to discuss 152 unreleased cuts by Tupac that Death Row still had, as well as that alleged multi-million dollar debt. Fischbein regarded the handwritten contract as "toilet paper" and the debt figure as worthless. Fischbein says they waited almost an hour that night, then gave up on meeting with Knight.
Switching targets, Afeni and Fischbein decided to squeeze Interscope Records, the exclusive distributor for Death Row and other hot young labels. Interscope was rushing to release Shakur's posthumous albumThe Don Killuminati/The 7 Day Theory and cash in on his death. (The album even contained allusions to Tupac's premature demise.) Fischbein and Afeni threatened to enjoin the album from being released unless the estate received more favorable royalty terms. Interscope agreed to pay the estate a no-strings advance of $3 million and increased Tupac's take on the album from 18 to 20 percent. His royalty rate for his first three Interscope albums also was upgraded from 12 to 18 percent, an adjustment that yielded $6 million.
Meanwhile, Fischbein has moved in the courts to guard Tupac's creative legacy from would-be exploiters. He's enjoined two record labels from releasing tribute albums. "We're extremely aggressive stopping unauthorized stuff," he says. "We've even had people looking on the Internet, to track down rumors of bootlegged songs and merchandise." One of the estate's biggest coups: a settlement in its December suit against Death Row and two merchandising companies for selling unauthorized Tupac hats and sweatshirts. Ka-chinggg. Another $131,000 in the estate's coffers.
Afeni is also looking out for herself and her extended family. In November, the probate court granted Afeni personal living expenses of $16,340 a month, including $1,200 a month in tuition for grandchildren and $2,000 a month in security for herself, Tupac's half sister, his two little nieces, two cousins, an aunt, and two uncles.
Tupac Shakur's estate may never match the afterlife urn of Elvis Presley — two decades after the King's exit his estate still rakes in tens of millions of dollars a year — but it could make the rapper a marketing immortal. Fischbein, fast emerging as the keeper of the shrine, has just completed a deal for sale of Tupac merchandise worth up to $500,000 and is negotiating for a studio-scale biopic. The music, which remains the lost trove in Tupac's legacy, will stay in unreleased limbo until Afeni's courtroom showdown with Death Row is resolved.
In death as in life, Tupac seems likely to get rich, then blow it again. When no one showed up to defend Tupac's estate in the Arkansas lawsuit filed by McNealey, the judge granted the injured plaintiff full damages — $16.6 million. The estate retained Bill Clinton's former law firm Wright, Lindsey & Jennings to challenge the decision, but a judge denied the motion. The estate plans to explore the possibility of an appeal.
And that's not the only way the estate stands to go bust. From a San Luis Obispo, Calif., jail cell where he is serving a nine-year state term for violating probation on an assault charge, Suge Knight is claiming a 20 percent management fee on the deceased rapper's earnings since September 1995. And Death Row has filed a claim for more than $7 million. Also looming is the trial scheduled to begin Aug. 4 in Los Angeles in which Bill Garland, a truck driver and former Black Panther, will claim that as Tupac's father he is entitled to half of the estate. Evidence submitted to the court shows that DNA testing of blood taken from Tupac at his autopsy indicated a 99.97 percent probability that Garland is indeed Tupac's biological sire. Afeni has since conceded Garland's paternity claim but denies that he meets California's requirements for parental inheritance. (Under California law, a parent must show that he acknowledged the child and provided support or care.) Garland's attorneys insist the case isn't a grab for big money, just Garland's bid to establish the truth about his relationship with Afeni in the '70s and the birth of their son the rap star.
It's exactly the kind of painful material, full of rage and twisted passion, that Tupac Shakur would have turned into a No. 1 song.




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Alot of Biggies family/fans are irritated and nervous right now.AEOM movie comes out in June.This story/movie is told from Pacs people.I have family out in L.A.So opinions on here dont matter to me.People are talking from a fans perspective.Or from youtube/Google.What alot of fans forget or dont know.Is that Puff and Big put out $10,000 bountys for each DR chain snatched up.$1,000,000 bounty for the death of Suge or Pac.They where dealing with the SSC.Which where already enemies of Suge/M.O.B.


This is not a rumor.Keef D (SSC) admitted this.Suges MOB partners admitt to this.Napolian from the Outlaws said it was true.Napolian said the names of the people who came to tell Pac and them.About the bountys offered to the SSC from Puff.In the interview they turn the volume off when he says the names of the people who came to tell Pac this information.Edi from the Outlaws said the samething.Puff and Big hands where dirty also.


Big and Puff knew about the Quad stick up to.If im Big.How wouldnt i not know whats about to happen.Im at the studio with the cats waiting on Pac.So they can set him up to be robbed.Everybodies there before Pac.But nobody knows whats about to go down.Yea right.This was a beef that got 2 of the best rappers killed in that era.Im just tired of everybody thinking Puff and Big was so innocent in this situation.They was playing in the field just like DR was.Puff just outlasted everybody.


My fam told everything was connected.I was teen back then.So i didnt believe that Puff or Big was involved.When i later found out about Keefe D impala beig used in Ushers old video.Which was directed by Puff.It made sense to me.Then you add (Long Kiss Goodnight) freestyle Big did on Radio in L.A.Theres alot of Subliminals most people didn't get through the beef.Pac said names.Biggie used subliminals in Who shot ya,Hypnotized,Long Kiss goodnight.If you didnt know Cali/Ny slang back then.It went over your head.


Cant wait to see the movie in June.Some of the Outlaws and Pacs people are in the movie as well.
 
I just really hate how everybody thinks that Big and Puff was innocent.Pac got alot of negativity on his legacy.Because he was blunt/and very vocal about it all.Puff and Big did stuff behind the scenes.While being quite through the beef.So it makes Pac look crazy.And it makes Puff and Big look innocent.Whats up with the Pac wasnt a gangster talk.If were going off of that.Big wasnt a gangster either.His moms said Chris never wanted for nothing and didnt struggle.


My opinion on that subject.They both died as gangsters.If your associated with gangsters.Then get shot up multiple times and die.Then what you call that.What they started out as is different from how they ended up.We all remember the best parts of people.But it was ugly to witness.The tension was so thick in that beef.You could feel it.Even if you where in a different state.Anybody that was around back then,knows it.
 
Flex looking funny as hell right now

Whats with dudes crying that the move now? Lol
 
For what it's worth, one of the Outlawz said Pac's family and friends weren't really involved much with this movie. They tried to keep them away supposedly. I also doubt that they will even bring up the rumors of Puff putting money on Pa or Suge's head. It's a bad look for Puff so I can't see them doing that.
 
Outlaws and some of Pac,s family are involved.Everything i posted might be in the movie as well.This is one of the reasons why Flex has his panties in a bunch.The Biggie movie was told from Bigs family,people side.Puff,bigs mom,cease where involved.They made him look like a innocent church boy.That just wanted rap.With no involvement in the beef.They played it well to the world.



They told there side.Pacs sister and the outlaws are involved.There side is going to be told.This is why there quite.Buy you have flex talking noise.Dont let Flex fool you.Pac and DR where pressing him as well.Thats why he has the hatred that will never end.and Suge wasnt scared to be in Ny.There where in the open on the East.Thats how Pac ran in to Nas on the streets.



Wack 100 talking greasy with hate also.Rumor is that Suges people put hands on him back then.So anybody still breathing today.That Pac and Suge pressed back then.Are going to talk badly right now.Pac just got inducted to the Rock N Roll Hall Of Fame.His movie is coming out in June.That might be exposing people involved.Dont let all of these cowardly lions lie to yall.



Most of these cats where quite back then.Nobody was saying anything.Until Pac was killed and DR fell apart.DR was pressing hard.Nobody wanted smoke with them before Pac was killed.Everybody trying rewrite there story.Before the movie comes out.Suge and the MOB didnt know how to handle Pac.Or to run DR longterm.After Dre and certain employees left.



They crashed in burned hard.It was just goons,Suge being the biggest 1.Running DR.It was to much street action going on.It wasnt ran like a label anymore.Thats why it didnt last.This is why its easier for Biggies people to always tell there side.Puff and his mother are still alive.Suge and his people's.And Pacs mother never spoke there side about it.



Fast forward to now.Suge is locked up.Pacs mother is dead.Nobody on DR/Outlaws really goes into detail from Pacs side.The loss was major.They just left it like that.Sad apart about it all.Pacs enemies are helping promote his movie better than his own people.It comes out on June 16.There not really promoting it that hard.
 
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