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Keko Jones said:
Master Zik said:
There's plenty homosexual activity within nature. To deny that is to make the whole nature argument disingenuous.
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you are right ... That's where you go back to the other argument about reproduction. Just a circle...
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I don't get how it's a circle at all.

I already addressed the reproduction issue. Not ever heterosexual person is fertile/capable of conceiving children (so is it acceptable for them to have sex?). If it's solely about procreation then you can eliminate sex and strictly do in vitro fertilization. Plus with the way science is advancing you're soon going to be able to include DNA from a 3rd person to have a child that way a gay couple can rightfully claim the child is biologically theirs.
 
Master Zik said:
I don't get how it's a circle at all.

I already addressed the reproduction issue. Not ever heterosexual person is fertile/capable of conceiving children (so is it acceptable for them to have sex?). If it's solely about procreation then you can eliminate sex and strictly do in vitro fertilization. Plus with the way science is advancing you're soon going to be able to include DNA from a 3rd person to have a child that way a gay couple can rightfully claim the child is biologically theirs.
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you don't have to get it ... It is what it is ... The circle I'm talking about is the argument in itself ....

Like I said ... There are people out there that believe is a birth defect. However at the end of the day a man and a woman 99% of the time will be able to have kids 1% can't .... Just like paternity test have 99% chances instead of 100%.

I'm not even interested in whats right or wrong but the argument on where a person can accept homosexuality and can't accept incest. I can even extend that argument to pedophilia.
 
Keko Jones said:
Now you sound a little ignorant ... The fact that liking the same sex or opposite sex is a feeling ... Why can't you understand that insects is a feeling.

If a man and a woman like each other why does it has to exclude siblings.

BTW I don't believe that every single homosexual was born that way.

I know a few people that loved sex however found comfort and love in the same sex partner ... Not even a sexual connection but rather emotional connection.
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Not sure if serious.

Hard to take you seriously if you keep calling incest "insects".

Also, again, homosexuality has a biological basis.

http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2015/10/homosexuality-may-be-caused-chemical-modifications-dna

Also I don't care about what you "think" or believe, I care about the science. Unless you can provide a similar biologically and neurologically rooted argument for incestual relations then this argument is dead from its inception.

I'm not interested in false equivocation.


Everything from a biological standpoint tells us that inbreeding and incestual relations are is no way shape or form intended for humans. Look no further than the genetic disorders that arise from inbreeding as evidence for this.
 
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Keko Jones said:
Master Zik said:
I don't get how it's a circle at all.

I already addressed the reproduction issue. Not every heterosexual person is fertile/capable of conceiving children (so is it acceptable for them to have sex?). If it's solely about procreation then you can eliminate sex and strictly do in vitro fertilization. Plus with the way science is advancing you're soon going to be able to include DNA from a 3rd person to have a child that way a gay couple can rightfully claim the child is biologically theirs.
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you don't have to get it ... It is what it is ...
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When I say I don't get it I'm really asking you to explain how it's a circle. You seem to be unable to do that.

Saying it is what it is is a cop out.

If you can not explain yourself then you really have no stance.
The circle I'm talking about is the argument in itself ....
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I know you're talking about the argument.

I'm saying no circle exists in the argument.

You brought up reproduction and it was directly addressed and you had no response for it.

You brought up nature and I directly addressed that and your only reply is to go back to reproduction and claim the argument is circular.

That's not how circular arguments work.

Like I said ... There are people out there that believe is a birth defect. However at the end of the day a man and a woman 99% of the time will be able to have kids
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I know you just making up percentages but so what? How does that address what I said about those that can not procreate? Or the point that I raise that if it's solely about procreation then you can simply eliminate sex and strictly do in vitro fertilization?
1% can't .... Just like paternity test have 99% chances instead of 100%.
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This is gibberish :lol:

Are you saying that as long as one side holds the majority it's okay?

I'm not even interested in whats right or wrong but the argument on where a person can accept homosexuality and can't accept incest. I can even extend that argument to pedophilia.
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No it ******* can't.

Homosexual acts involve consenting adults. The act of incest involves consenting adults.

Pedophilia involves the sexual assault of children. Only an idiot or a pedophile would argue that it's no different than being gay.

What's next? Are you gonna ask why rape isn't acceptable?
 
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Not sure if serious.

Hard to take you seriously if you keep calling incest "insects".

Also, again, homosexuality has a biological basis, it's suspected that chemical modifications in DNA.

http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2015/10/homosexuality-may-be-caused-chemical-modifications-dna

Also I don't care about what you "think" or believe, I care about the science. Unless you can provide a similar biologically and neurologically rooted argument for incestual relations then this argument is dead from its inception.

I'm not interested in false equivocation.


Everything from a biological standpoint tells us that inbreeding and incestual relations are is no way shape or form intended for humans.
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​Autocorrect ....

So you are saying that everyone that associate themselves are gay, are born that way????

For the sake of argument, pedophilia is a psychological disorder that can be do to a chemical imbalance - so why is that criminalized and not morally right - I mean they can be hereditary???

BTW, I'm not arguing the biological basis, just the fact that there are many that aren't born but just choose - like bisexuals .
 
Why do people insist on engaging in arguments they have no knowledge about??

If I were scientifically illiterate I'd steer clear of adding my two cents until I had at least a rudimentary understanding of how these things work.

Folks want to talk about homosexuality but still think it's a choice. I'm not talking about experimentation or sexual deviance.

Some cats like being ****ed, THAT is a choice.

We're talking about a state that was never considered, it was the default from the beginning for gay people.

How is that so difficult to understand.
 
Keko Jones said:
SneakerHeathen said:
Not sure if serious.


Hard to take you seriously if you keep calling incest "insects".


Also, again, homosexuality has a biological basis, it's suspected that chemical modifications in DNA.

http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2015/10/homosexuality-may-be-caused-chemical-modifications-dna


Also I don't care about what you "think" or believe, I care about the science. Unless you can provide a similar biologically and neurologically rooted argument for incestual relations then this argument is dead from its inception.


I'm not interested in false equivocation.



Everything from a biological standpoint tells us that inbreeding and incestual relations are is no way shape or form intended for humans.
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​Autocorrect ....

So you are saying that everyone that associate themselves are gay, are born that way????

For the sake of argument, pedophilia is a psychological disorder that can be do to a chemical imbalance - so why is that criminalized and not morally right - I mean they can be hereditary???

BTW, I'm not arguing the biological basis, just the fact that there are many that aren't born but just choose - like bisexuals .
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Bruh :lol: You really don't know what you're talking about :lol:

Just making **** up.
 
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Keko Jones said:
​Autocorrect ....

So you are saying that everyone that associate themselves are gay, are born that way????

For the sake of argument, pedophilia is a psychological disorder that can be do to a chemical imbalance - so why is that criminalized and not morally right - I mean they can be hereditary???

BTW, I'm not arguing the biological basis, just the fact that there are many that aren't born but just choose - like bisexuals .
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I mean if we're going to delve into neuroscience then we can argue that free will is an illusion. Just ask Sam Harris or Daniel Dennett or any other determinist.

Our actions are simply mechanisms, hardwired into us. Altered through conditioning and trauma.

That's a whale of a topic, and if you know anything about me then you should know that I don't believe in incarceration, I believe in rehabilitation and a removal of certain individuals from society for their and other's safety.
 
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Keko Jones said:
 
​Autocorrect ....

So you are saying that everyone that associate themselves are gay, are born that way????

For the sake of argument, pedophilia is a psychological disorder that can be do to a chemical imbalance - so why is that criminalized and not morally right - I mean they can be hereditary???

BTW, I'm not arguing the biological basis, just the fact that there are many that aren't born but just choose - like bisexuals .
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You can't just present this as fact without providing any kind of proof. 
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Master Zik said:
Bruh :lol: You really don't know what you're talking about :lol:

Just making **** up.
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Yeah there's no evidence whatsoever of a biological or neurological basis for pedophilia like there is for homosexuality.

Major reach. Yes most pedophiles are mentally ill, but correlation =/= causation.

Now if you went with the "there is no such thing as free will" route I'd throw you a bone and allow you that point. You didn't go that route soooo....

...You're running out of valid things to say.
 
PLVN said:
Did this guy really just ask why pedophilia isn't accepted?
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I blame this on D.C.

He made being contrarian on everything a thing.


Cats just love arguing for the sake of sport.
 
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PLVN said:
Did this guy really just ask why pedophilia isn't accepted?
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I was a rhetorical question to the argument

If you are trying to be funny or suggest that I don't understand please stop.
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Yes, please citations required. I presented my citation I expect you to do the same.
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Homosexuality "may" be caused by chemical modifications to DNA ...

http://articles.latimes.com/2013/jan/14/local/la-me-pedophiles-20130115

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4393782/

http://www.mondaq.com/x/434482/Crime/Genetic+Predisposition+To+Paedophilia+And+Child+Abuse

just like any other disorder, studies are still being conducted ... however, there are many scientist now taking a stance on it being a biological disorder rather than a just a psychological one.

just like homosexuality gene.

my entire argument wasn't about whether is right or wrong ... I just wanted to know if people see one as acceptable how can they not view the other as acceptable.

I also understand your point of view - yes there are people that are born that way. however, i'm talking about the others that aren't, they just choose to be.
 
SneakerHeathen said:
Master Zik said:
Bruh :lol: You really don't know what you're talking about :lol:

Just making **** up.
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Yeah there's no evidence whatsoever of a biological or neurological basis for pedophilia like there is for homosexuality.

Major reach. Yes most pedophiles are mentally ill, but correlation =/= causation.

Now if you went with the "there is no such thing as free will" route I'd throw you a bone and allow you that point. You didn't go that route soooo....

...You're running out of valid things to say.
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Even if he dared to go the philosophical route and claim determinism that still wouldn't make it acceptable.

Unfortunately philosphers aren't the authority or representives for what society wants to be the law of the land and even then there's a whole other field of study when it comes to dealing with criminals, punishment, etc.
 
Master Zik said:
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I think you watched that one episode of Law & Order: SVU where a rapist said him being a rapist was genetic and are running with it here
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​zik you watch to much tv homie ...

I don't even bother just having a conversation cause one thing I learn about you - you are never wrong and when you are which is often you will not admit to it and continue defending your point of view.
 
Keko Jones said:
I was a rhetorical question to the argument
If you are trying to be funny or suggest that I don't understand please stop.
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...

my entire argument wasn't about whether is right or wrong ... I just wanted to know if people see one as acceptable how can they not view the other as acceptable.
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You wouldn't keep trying to make this comparison if you really understood the difference
 
Keko Jones said:


​zik you watch to much tv homie ...

I don't even bother just having a conversation cause one thing I learn about you - you are never wrong and when you are which is often you will not admit to it and continue defending your point of view.
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This is a tangent. A deflection to move off the topic.

You can't even back up your claim with any credible sources about pedophilia or bisexuals and instead are making it about the person calling out your bull ****.

I consider this you conceding that dumbass statement since you know you just made it up.

Should've tapped out from the jump if this is what you're going to resort to.
 
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Keko Jones said:
SneakerHeathen said:
Not sure if serious.


Hard to take you seriously if you keep calling incest "insects".


Also, again, homosexuality has a biological basis, it's suspected that chemical modifications in DNA.

http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2015/10/homosexuality-may-be-caused-chemical-modifications-dna


Also I don't care about what you "think" or believe, I care about the science. Unless you can provide a similar biologically and neurologically rooted argument for incestual relations then this argument is dead from its inception.


I'm not interested in false equivocation.



Everything from a biological standpoint tells us that inbreeding and incestual relations are is no way shape or form intended for humans.
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​Autocorrect ....

So you are saying that everyone that associate themselves are gay, are born that way????

For the sake of argument, pedophilia is a psychological disorder that can be do to a chemical imbalance - so why is that criminalized and not morally right - I mean they can be hereditary???

BTW, I'm not arguing the biological basis, just the fact that there are many that aren't born but just choose - like bisexuals .
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:stoneface:
 
Master Zik said:
This is a tangent. A deflection to move off the topic.

You can't even back up your claim about pedophilia or bisexuals and instead are making it about the person calling out your bull ****.

I consider this you conceding that dumbass statement since you know you just made it up.
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​what was the statement you wanted me to combat?

I haven't made a dumb statement yet ...

what I made up
 
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