Jordan Brand is full of it.

biglefty23 · Jun 3, 2008

Jordan Brand refuses to retro shoes with Nike Air because they want original collectors to not have to worry about other people having their gems... That is aload of crap. What I've come to realize is that they simply just don't want to put Nike Air on their shoes. What about collectors that own shoes thatnever had Nike Air on the back? What about people who stock piled on certain retros only to have them come out again?
- If they really cared about the original or true collectors, would the Air Jordan VIII white/red be retroed twice in a span of a couple of years (exactly likethe original)?
- If they care about collectors would they retro the black/red XI's twice since the original release? (and don't tell me that the patent is different,big deal!)
- The black/red XV's were almost exact replicas of the originals.
- The XVI's look exact to the originals.
- The white/black air jordan IX has now been retroed twice.

I'm sure we could make this list go on and on, but my point is that Jordan Brand does not care about collectors. If they did, they'd alter all retros a little bit. They are saving Nike Air for something special. My theory is that they'll wait until they can do "RetroOGs" Give us White/cement IV's with Nike Air on the back and charge $340. They'll give us Black/Infrared VI's with Nike Air and charge $300. They'll do it and they'll give em the vintage look too.

Does anyone else think that JB could care less about collectors and just have something up their sleeve?

retrojtino · Jun 3, 2008

^^^^ where did u hear that they didn't want other people to have OG collectors' "gems"? I'm not sayin' ur wrong, but I understand wutu mean. And NO, the retro XV looks off compared to the OG. I saw two side-by-side pics of the OGs and the retros. Wish I would've kept it to post it somewhere. The OGs put the retroes to shame.

short mi · Jun 3, 2008

By orginal collectors JB(gentry) means gentry
he wants to protect HIS collection

connoleee · Jun 3, 2008

leave the jordans for me then.

retrojtino · Jun 3, 2008

^^^^ to short MI, you might be right. I know that there's plenty of people out there who don't want others to have what they have. I mean, everyonegets like that sometimes, even me with the retroing of the gold and eggplant flightposites

......

. But truly, gentry just might not want so many people with N/A on their jays seein' as how he probably has em all.

william rivera 3 · Jun 3, 2008

Originally Posted by BigLefty23

- If they really cared about the original or true collectors, would the Air Jordan VIII white/red be retroed twice in a span of a couple of years (exactly like the original)?
- If they care about collectors would they retro the black/red XI's twice since the original release? (and don't tell me that the patent is different, big deal!)
- The black/red XV's were almost exact replicas of the originals.
- The XVI's look exact to the originals.
- The white/black air jordan IX has now been retroed twice.

We could compile a master list of re-re-re-re-retros that JB has done... Here's mine

Bling Bling 4's_Pure$ 4's

Shadows in CDP_All black '05 retro 10'a (reverse shadows

)

Entire '03-'04 retro 12's og colors in low top form

retroing every og color of XI (

) 5 years after og release/ everydamn color

its been 7 years since man

I'ma holla back with more thoughts later, what you guys think?

rfx45 · Jun 3, 2008

Originally Posted by BigLefty23

Jordan Brand refuses to retro shoes with Nike Air because they want original collectors to not have to worry about other people having their gems... That is a load of crap. What I've come to realize is that they simply just don't want to put Nike Air on their shoes. What about collectors that own shoes that never had Nike Air on the back? What about people who stock piled on certain retros only to have them come out again?
- If they really cared about the original or true collectors, would the Air Jordan VIII white/red be retroed twice in a span of a couple of years (exactly like the original)?
- If they care about collectors would they retro the black/red XI's twice since the original release? (and don't tell me that the patent is different, big deal!)
- The black/red XV's were almost exact replicas of the originals.
- The XVI's look exact to the originals.
- The white/black air jordan IX has now been retroed twice.

I'm sure we could make this list go on and on, but my point is that Jordan Brand does not care about collectors. If they did, they'd alter all retros a little bit. They are saving Nike Air for something special. My theory is that they'll wait until they can do "Retro OGs" Give us White/cement IV's with Nike Air on the back and charge $340. They'll give us Black/Infrared VI's with Nike Air and charge $300. They'll do it and they'll give em the vintage look too.

Does anyone else think that JB could care less about collectors and just have something up their sleeve?

I think they somewhat cares and knows damn well what they are doing. JB may release stupid color retros and team jordans but they are obviously not losingmoney.

No offense but I can't really take your argument seriously when you're upset that JB re-retroed retroes that you have a stock pile of. I may bewrong but it seems like your looking at Air Jordans as an investment that's why your mad that the shoes go down in value when re-retroed. It's just thewrong prospective and to say they don't want to bring back the Nike Air isn't enough of an argument from your latter statement. XV and XVI'swere/will be retroed exactly the same because it didn't have the Nike Air to begin with.

Your argument is also going against each other. At one point you say JB doesn't care by not putting Nike Air on their retroes, then you say that JB shouldalter all retroes a bit? You can't use the argument that "if JB alters the old retroes, they should alter all," when you want them to stick tothe OG. It counters the whole point of your post.

airuphere23 · Jun 3, 2008

Originally Posted by RetroJTino

^^^^ to short MI, you might be right. I know that there's plenty of people out there who don't want others to have what they have. I mean, everyone gets like that sometimes, even me with the retroing of the gold and eggplant flightposites

......

. But truly, gentry just might not want so many people with N/A on their jays seein' as how he probably has em all.

There are plenty of people out there who don't want others to have the same shoes that they own and I understand to an extent. Personally, Idon't care if someone else has the same pair(s) of shoes that I own. If I had something for years, and Nike or JB decides to retro it again and do (wishfulthinking here) a good job then I'm all for another re-retro. Who cares? Shoes fall apart eventually someday anyway, and I'm a person who buys to rock 1and stock 1.

As far as BigLefty23's comments are concerned: Yes I do agree JB is completely being jerks about not giving us that "authentic" retro Nike Airlook. These people have put the "Nike Air" since JB became a separate entity of Nike, one time for each of the corresponding models..(3,4,5,and 6).

Gimme a break! It would've been awesome to have a pair of retro FireRed 3's from 2007 with the famous Nike Air inscribed on the back for old times sake. It would've been fantastic to have retro Grape 5's with NikeAir or even the Carmines. But apparently JB has to ruin the thrill. Honestly, if it wasn't for the love of these old school models I'd be done withthese idiots. F'n company is atrocious.

loveofthegame916 · Jun 3, 2008

i think nike air threads should be taboo

fran215kill · Jun 3, 2008

Originally Posted by LoveOfTheGame916

i think nike air threads should be taboo

^^^co-sign. it's kind of annoying now it seems like every other week someone else decides to rant about this and what JB should and shouldn't bedoing. the complaining isn't really the annoying part though because no matter what someone will have a problem with what JB is doing. i jus hate hearing"wow they really messed these up. i'm def not copping now" for something stupid like nike air not being on a shoe like the cdp iv's forexample. they look pretty damn close to the other black/red fours imo.

jordansrmycrack · Jun 3, 2008

Originally Posted by fran215kill

Originally Posted by LoveOfTheGame916

i think nike air threads should be taboo

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"wow they really messed these up. i'm def not copping now" for something stupid like nike air not being on a shoe like the cdp iv's for example. they look pretty damn close to the other black/red fours imo.

Here we go again.........Not having "Nike Air" on the back of the CDP IVs has nothing to do with why most OG heads are not copping those.

Imo, it's the least error of those deformed, fake-looking, in-bred, red-headed step child we call the Countdown IVs.

ogheatkid · Jun 3, 2008

Or maybe we just "we" just need to stop crying who cares or maybe the JORDAN BRAND dose put NIKE(total diffrent brend)on there shoes because they arecelebrating the Independence stop crying this is the lames post ever!!!

doctorjay507 · Jun 3, 2008

it doesnt bug me but maybe its cuz im a young collector and never got to watch jordan in his prime transform the game and the shoe game all at once......

doctorjay507 · Jun 3, 2008

it doesnt bug me but maybe its cuz im a young collector and never got to watch jordan in his prime transform the game and the shoe game all at once......

micheal623 · Jun 3, 2008

I'm just glad to have some of these shoes that I missed out on years ago. You can keep the nike air, if you want it to say nike air on the back then payup! I'm sure flight club has some with the nike air if you want them soo bad.

ny giants 11 · Jun 3, 2008

Stop crying

biglefty23 · Jun 3, 2008

1. To RFX45, I don't have a stockpile of old jordans. I actually wear all of my shoes. You are completely wrong on that note. I am just saying that if Nikereally cares about collectors, they wouldn't release retros that are exactly like the originals.

2. To Fran215Kill, I don't want this to be a Nike Air post. I just think JB is contradicting themselves by saying Nike Air is a no go because it'sunfair to original collectors when they are putting out shoes that are darn near identical to the originals.

3. Also Fran215Kill, you have no idea how annoying half the posts in this forum are to me. I've been reading Niketalk for a long time now. Posts that new"posters" post that get annoying after the 7 months you've been on the board get twice as annoying after the 6.5 years I've been reading onNiketalk.

nycheavyhitz212 · Jun 3, 2008

It is what it is.

neptunesfinest · Jun 3, 2008

Some of you guys missed the OP's point. He was saying that Gentry was a hypocrite for retroing some shoes EXACTLY like the OG's (vii and up) whilethey took the nike air off the back of the iii-vi and said that he was trying to protect OG collectors. What about a collector that has a pair of OG Hares? Or OG Aqua VIII's? Why doesn't he care about those peoples collections??? It doesn't add up. I for one don't buy it at all. I tend tobelieve the people that say that JB has to pay some kind of internal 'tax' or whatever to Nike every time they use the logo. They realized that peopledon't really care too much and they figured 'why bother'? Again, this is NOT the main gripe that people have with JB. It's the overall shapeof the shoe that really upsets people.
Anyone who says that the black/cement ivs in the CDP look close to the OG's or '99s needs to get their eyes checked ASAP. I guess youngins don'tunderstand the importance of subtilty in design. But if you look at what they did to the IV's you will see that they took out pretty much EVERY subtiledetail that made the shoe great. The shoe is basically a cariacature of it's former self. The obvious difference being the Nike Air heel plate. Butalso, they changed the entire shape of the shoe, they changed the netting, they changed the thickness of the tongue, they made the shoe lower, they made thewings rubber instead of plastic, they made the midsole shiny...I could go on but why bother. It's obvious just from reading this forum that the majorityof people don't care so what can we do. We will never get anything better if we don't demand better. The only way we can do that is to stop buyingthis crap.
What kills me is that posts like these always get infiltrated by idiots who say that we will always find something to complain about. That couldn't bemore wrong. If they retro'd the shoe right how could anyone complain? If the CDP contained the '99 IV model, not one person would complain.

richkid23 · Jun 3, 2008

iluvmyajs99 · Jun 3, 2008

Jordan the BRAND would lose royalties to nike without the jumpman.

bigbadbennyism · Jun 3, 2008

Why have the swoosh on the AJI then? The swoosh is as much about Nike Inc as is Nike Air.

We all know that the AJ III-VI just look wrong with the Jumpman, but we buy them because its as close as were going to get to what we yearn for ultimately.

Heres a scenario, if JB were to release the AJIV (Wht/Blk/Red) in 2 versions with the exact same release date, one with Nike Air on Heel and one with Jumpmanon Heel but $100 less, which would you buy?

Give you the hot tip, there would be a stampede, deaths, riots for the Nike Air versions and would be considered the hottest release by far, I would pay $100to $200 more for something that looks exactly like what it use to.

And for the sake of the OG collectors, whom Gentry seems to put in higher esteem than his actual customers, change the color of the Nike Air, todifferentiate, you make no money from OG collectors Gentry, when you gonna wake up.

bigbadbennyism · Jun 3, 2008

NeptunesFinest I agree with your sentiments, hence why I now only buy what looks almost identical to OG (the recent Air Structure 91 and ATCII releases are agood example) otherwise my Jordans are either being sold or Im just wearing them to death, Im really over it until they do it right.

driftracer · Jun 3, 2008

In 10-20 years when JB isnt making enough money, Eventually everything will be rererereretrod and wouldnt I be surprise if they added the nike air for somespecial releases

"no air no air" -jordan sparks/chris brown song

neptunesfinest · Jun 3, 2008

Originally Posted by bigbadbennyism

Why have the swoosh on the AJI then? The swoosh is as much about Nike Inc as is Nike Air.

We all know that the AJ III-VI just look wrong with the Jumpman, but we buy them because its as close as were going to get to what we yearn for ultimately.

They tried to change the I's at least once. They took off the swoosh and added jumpmans on both sides. They looked utterly ridiculous. The only reason they haven't removed the swoosh from the I is because it is viewed as central to the design of the shoe whereas people don't hold theNike Air on the back of the III,IV,V,VI as central to the design. Why? I have no idea but it seems like people don't care. But yea I'm with you, Ionly buy Nikes/J's that are close enough to the OG that they retain the same feel. Sadly, those CDP IV's do not. One day they will wake up once thisnew crowd moves on to something else.

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