Air Jordan 11 Retro “Bred”- Holiday 2019

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  1. beh235

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    This is what it's all about. Sneakers with a story behind them >>>>>>>>>>>>>>


    Imo, it's just lazy and people getting lazier. Black/Red color combo been together before the XI, and it wasn't a problem before saying or spelling it. I have no issue typing it out, but that's me *shrug*
     
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  2. 72and10

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  3. 72and10

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    One of the most stunning of all time when properly done!
     
  4. 72and10

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    It’s funny because I’ve owned the 1996 and 2001 pairs spent many a nights sitting on my couch staring holes in the things, and never noticed a “red tint” to the upper... didn’t notice it back in 7th grade in 1996 Easbay mags, never saw it on TV when MJ was torching Seattle, and never saw it years later when I was able to pick up a DS pair... yet when I read previous members’ insistence that the mesh was red tint, now I see it and can’t unsee it lol... I’m not sure it was intentionally tinted or anything, I just believe it’s one of those cases where maybe the black wasn’t as black on the og pair as opposed to the 01 which was black as night. Just my thoughts.

    Oh and, bring on the true red with the white PL edge remasters!
     
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  5. Aquamanjay_

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    I think you’re right. I remember getting the Playoff 8 in 2007 and the neoprene was black, but it had a purplish bluish Tint or silhouette to it in certain lights. I believe Jordan used a different black mesh on the og pair.
     
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  6. Aquamanjay_

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    Bred isn’t that bad to me because while speaking it, it rolls off better. As far as typing, it’s also just a shorter way to say Black/Red. It’s a matter of preference
     
  7. jordanize84

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    Who is this?
     
  8. JRepp23

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    Some figurehead that has been way overrated as far to what his actual influence was or is to the brand.
     
  9. 702pusha

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    His name is Gentry Humphrey..he's the guy that wants to keep everything from true og form..he was against nike air on the back and is responsible for the trash quality through from like 2006-2011 i believe he left in 2011 and he returned this year as vp of jordan footwear.any one else is welcomed to provide more info but this what i know.
     
  10. Aquamanjay_

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    Gentry has been with Nike for as early as 1993 or 1992. Sometime around 1998 or 1999, he was put in charge of footwear design. He didn’t want consumers getting OG product and literally said he was doing it to honor those smart enough to collect and keep the originals so they could feel special. I assume he gained more control over design decisions as time progressed because early 2000 11s Sample featured the very low cut and reverse jumpmans. Early 2002 7 samples had very strange shapes, and the 2000 early Infrared 6 sample known as the Reverse Infrared was set to drop. These samples didn’t release. Beginning in 2004, jordan brand cut costs and changed materials specifically midsoles and paint. They also changed molds, and started using thinner leather, and thinner padding. Many shoes oxidized in a fraction of the time OGs did too. He had a pretty good retro+ run; his team created classics like the cool grey 11/4/9, the altitude 13, the lightning 4,the DMP, and many others. However, he took the Nike Air off, kept 1s at a mid cut, reversed the Jumpman on the 11s, and made very noticeable changes to popular models in order to preserve the OG collectors’ vanity. Changes were either little or major. He made a lot of older heads stop buying Jordans, while people my age ate them up. He alienated a lot of fans who grew up with the OGs.

    Now, he gets blamed for any ugly retro+ colorway, even though he designed most of retro+ fans’ favorite retro+. Also, he’s back and has probably began his new impact on the 2019 calendar. If he still thinks the same way, “As close to the OG” remaster program may be finished.
     
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  11. CommonLawNola

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    He also ran Nike Golf into the ground before this recent return.
     
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  12. Aquamanjay_

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    Add in Foamposites too
     
  13. CommonLawNola

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    True, I was just making the point that he ran an entire Nike division into the ground and wasn’t forced into “retirement.”
     
  14. 702pusha

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    That’s right and upon his arrival again we’re afraid he’ll run jb into the ground when jb was making everything right and giving us what we want in true og form. Hopefully his views has changed since..we’ll see in 2019
     
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  15. airdhazzal

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    First Jordan I ever wanted, but it never happened. My friend Kenny had em back in the day. He used to come my house with snes games and my mom told him to take his shoes off. Story goes, I went to the the mall to buy these with my mom, and the employee at doumett shoes persuaded me into getting the NEW jordans, the 12's. So I got the 12s that day instead. :ohwell:
     
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  16. ogSlater

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    Ok so Tinker got back to me and he stated he was not aware of the specs of the mesh having and red hues on the XIs, He believes that it was just the mesh that was used happen to have red hues although this was not a set spec on his part the mesh used on all og XI black and reds was the same mesh, the mesh used on space jams in 95 for MJ cane from a different source and was obtained in a small batch for the space jam Pe only so that’s why we don’t see the red hue on the space jam pes, He also stayed that yes Gentry was on the design team at the time he had no involvement in the xi design but did give positive feed back after the initial sample was revealed to the team!
     
  17. JRepp23

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    Very cool read.
     
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  18. Aquamanjay_

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    Wrong thread but can you as about the original Black Infrared 6 heel material, and why Jordan Brand doesn’t use it anymore?
     
  19. tonytobacco

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    cordura is cordura. Its the same as it always was.
     
  20. tonytobacco

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    wut
     
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  21. ogSlater

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    Yeah I’ll ask about that, it was
    Cordura is a brand not a type of fabric, the brand Cordura makes all types of fabric, the ballistic mesh used on XIs is not necessarily Cordura brand mesh material maybe the originals were actually Cordura brand mesh is why we have seen the red hues on the originals and no other color after og black and reds.
     
  22. leonard706

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    You have Tinker contact information? I got a list of questions I need answers for :pimp:
     
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  23. tonytobacco

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    I dont know, I saw that they used cordura on the converse carhartts and it looked identical to me

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    maybe not
     
  24. tonytobacco

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    Tell Tinker to tell Jordan Brand make the midsole of the 1 over again with the proper arched midfoot, and big swoosh moved forward a bit from where the Union's swoosh stops.

    Also, lets get that fat airbag back on the 93s. Retooling the upper doesnt matter if the main attraction isnt addressed. Theyre going to be outlet-bound until it is.

    Aaand Im starting to think that Nike doesnt touch the midsole/soles on their retros because thats what costs serious money to alter.

    Oh and toss in that tonytobacco thinks Tinker shouldve been named CEO after Uncle Phil left the building. Its ridiculous that he wasnt.
     
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  25. Aquamanjay_

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    Maybe it’s because Tinker is a creative. May not be best to run the business side