Amazon's HQ2 Probably Headed to Northern Virginia (Crystal City)

Amazon got over confident and thought they were immune to public criticism.


if they quietly made a deal with new york from the jump, this wouldn't have happend, but the whole mayors of cities need to debase themselves,

and beg us for consideration and then we just put in new york anyways. was a bad move.
 
Everybody want to be a businessman until its time to be a businessman.

Sometimes in sales, you get incentives. That’s business. I incentivize people all the time to essentially do their job, but the expectation is there’s a pay off on the other side.

You keep talking to me about the lower/middle class narrative but I firmly believe you don’t know what you talking about.
You guys been to LIC? I’m TELLING you, local business owners wanted this. I personally spoken to a bunch of them and not one of them was mad about the move.

But you guys who are so far removed from actually talking to these people in that community are going to tell me otherwise.
Cause, talking points???

The gentrification argument is barely valid here.
It’s like being worried about gentrification in Williamsburg.
You worried about the gentrifiers being gentrified?
 
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da fact that people are snobbish on jobs like cleaning that would've been money that wasn't here before shows how bad these guys are at when it comes to seeing local economic growth.

Dudes want to talk about the lower/middle class but look at me crazy when I talk about the jobs being occupied by the lower/middle class.

Cleaning crew, lunch staff, security, warehouse work, construction all needed at new headquarters. This is all before you think about the spillage to local business owners.
Bodegas, Smoke shops, liquor stores, barber shops, cab drivers, nail salons, Chinese restaurants, maaaan I could go all day.

But ya worried about the landlords.
 
I don’t think those business owners realize that they’d eventually be priced out of their stores though when the rent rises as a result. LIC is popping enough anyway. Yes this would’ve created extra money for them but long run it’s not worth it.
 
Everybody want to be a businessman until its time to be a businessman.

Sometimes in sales, you get incentives. That’s business. I incentivize people all the time to essentially do their job, but the expectation is there’s a pay off on the other side.

You keep talking to me about the lower/middle class narrative but I firmly believe you don’t know what you talking about.
You guys been to LIC? I’m TELLING you, local business owners wanted this. I personally spoken to a bunch of them and not one of them was mad about the move.

But you guys who are so far removed from actually talking to these people in that community are going to tell me otherwise.
Cause, talking points???

The gentrification argument is barely valid here.
It’s like being worried about gentrification in Williamsburg.
You worried about the gentrifiers being gentrified?
Humor us, what store owners want amazon in the area? Every busniess that sells anything hates amazon right now. You again mention jobs that don’t pay enough to have people live anywhere near the area.
 
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Humor us, what store owners want amazon in the area?

Lol, what you want like last 4 of social or somethin?
That’s like me telling you, who are these lower/middle class people.

I talk to bodega owners man. Liquor store owners. Restaurant owners.

Mom and pop shops throughout the whole city, b.

The numbers LITEALLY say, NYers wanted this and you want to act like I’m pulling this **** out my ***.
 
LIC is filled with restaurants, bars and cafes. There aren’t actual stores that would benefit but food services. I just don’t see how those places would fare exceptionally well when property values double and they have their rent raised.
 
Lol, what you want like last 4 of social or somethin?
That’s like me telling you, who are these lower/middle class people.

I talk to bodega owners man. Liquor store owners. Restaurant owners.

Mom and pop shops throughout the whole city, b.

The numbers LITEALLY say, NYers wanted this and you want to act like I’m pulling this **** out my ***.
He talked to people guys....becuase that’s how it works. “Sir can I help you?” “Yes can you tell me if you like amazon coming in?” “Ahhh do you want a water?”. case closed


:rofl:


I see where this is going. We can stop now
 
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LIC is filled with restaurants, bars and cafes. There aren’t actual stores that would benefit but food services. I just don’t see how those places would fare exceptionally well when property values double and they have their rent raised.
Homie throwing all logic into the wind. Is that an NY things?
 
So I read this whole thing. I understand your concern but I don’t know that it is valid beyond repeating typical talking points of the left.

First off, to make the reach that all of the jobs were going to go to transplants is nothing more than a reach.
So this assumption that we’ll have to build all this infrastructure to house 25k people is founded on nothing more than a feeling.

You asked me if I live in LIC. I don’t. But I’m in Astoria on a regular basis as I have offices there. I know the area well.

So for those of us that know the nuances in the city, I can tell you that whole section of Astoria/LIC has a bunch of new developments that are already going up or have gone up.
These are luxury rentals. The working class that you worried about being priced out of their homes aren’t the ones moving there.

Also news flash, these “highly skilled” amazon workers aren’t moving to the projects on Vernon. Or to Roosevelt Ave in Corona.
The average income in LIC is almost $60k.
You gotta stop talking like everyone in NY is a single mother with 3 kids.

Bottom line is LIC would’ve been a great location to build these headquarters. I can tell you this cause I know the area well. I actually speak to local small business owners from the area...they wanted Amazon.
I speak to people from the area of all income brackets...they wanted Amazon.
The polls show that NYers wanted Amazon.

But you keep talking like you saving us from ourselves. Spare me the gentrification talk.
It’s one of the most diverse communities in the world. Ya worried about a couple yuppies?

As a felllow liberal thinker ima tell you we gotta do better. When it comes to all partisan issues I can bet my last dollar I know what side of the argument Rusty and NH will be on.
Cats gotta start thinking critically out here.
Don’t give Trump the presidency on a silver platter.
Dude again, spare me :lol:

I don't know why I wasted the keystrokes. All you doing is handwaving away concerns, to act like everything is gonna be cool, and misrepresenting people's arguments. Even though we have examples of how things go horribly wrong. You didn't even know about what is and isn't capitalism yet you want to accuse me of just repeating talking point.

Your entire response was hand waving and then accusing me that I only have my position because I am a liberal. Even though I can explain my position in detail. BTW, I only mentioned gentrification because you brought it up before. You acted like it was no big deal, but now you are clutching your pearls because I brought it up. And I called out the hypocrisy of your guilt trip now you "splainin" how you are an expert in the area. :lol:

When Ninja was first caping for Trump, your *** was there with him telling me stop letting being a liberal cloud my judgment. When I first said he post racist crap on NT you criticized me about that too, then your tune changed. Whenever you want to lecture black folk on NT about them going to far, you want to invoke your supposed liberalism about be down for the black cause. Hell even on this topic it is you bringing up your political leanings, not me. Liberalism is your shield to peddle hot takes, not mine. And everytime I try to engage with you, I get the same response. That I am a liberal, so I am not thinking straight

You just want to claim like you are the only clear thinker in the room just because you are being a contrarian.

You the homie, but again, spare me. If you want more people to take your position, make a better case.
 
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Wow wow wowwww...you guys are so hung up regurgitating the talking points of the left, you aren’t even worried about inaccuracies.

It has already been mentioned in this thread NY is a leader among tech jobs, it means we already have a work force in the city ready to go...they already live here.
This is not middle of nowhere Alabama...or even Detroit. The city has the workforce.
Again, you really think locals will have priority over somebody who lives on the other side of the country? No, Amazon doesn't give a **** because they know people are more than happy to relocate to work for them. 500 people move to Seattle A DAY to work at tech companies. Seattle isn't NY, but it isn't the middle of Alabama, either. Matter of fact, it doesn't matter what city tech companies are based in, they will hire people from anywhere, regardless of where they live. They have never placed priority on local and never will.
 
By the way, these cleaning crew jobs you guys are gushing over that Amazon will actually hire local, they will most likely be contracted jobs, not employed directly by Amazon, so no, they will not count towards the 25,000 positions that they are looking to hire.
 
Businesses can want Amazon to move to NY all they want, until it happens and reality hits them. Picture the median in your town being 125k and what they will do to the housing market there. Picture 500 people moving in every day and roads being bad not only due to added congestion but unfamiliarity with the roads. Picture the small local culture in your town you know being replaced by coffee-drinking, Yoga practicing hipsters.
 
EYE don’t know why EYE am wasting keystrokes on you.

What concern of yours am I hand waving away?
Infrastructure concerns? When was the last time you were in Astoria or Long Island City?

I still stand by me being entertained by the whole **** show that is our political system when Trump came on board.
Was open to hearing what he had to say.
But ultimately he exposed himself as a joke and my vote backed that up.
Not sure what exactly you think you holding against me with this.

And now you want to accuse me of lecturing black people? Wheeennnnnn? Dudes really serious with this ****?
I mean you might as well use the race card on me.
Again, not sure what exactly you think you have on me with this comment.

It’s cool to hide behind terms like lower class and ****, but still nobody has told me what lower class people you talking about.
It’s like you use the word and think nothing gets questioned.

Long Island City is not the slums, b. If you currently live in Long Island City, you have a job that supports that lifestyle.

Ima leave it at this, NYers have overwhelmingly said, we wanted this to happen...but you want to save us from ourselves...ok.
 
I think the worry people have is Amazon will turn new york into silicon valley, where the only people who can afford to live there are millionares and heroin addicts.

NYC homeless laws are waaaaaaaaaaaaaay better what they got out in California.

no one here can explain how can a deal that was WIDELY approved by da vassssst majority of New Yorkers is somehow trumped by a socialist anti capitalistic wing of da democratic party and their self interest...how? everyone wanted it here..poll after poll after poll.
 
You guys been to LIC? I’m TELLING you, local business owners wanted this. I personally spoken to a bunch of them and not one of them was mad about the move.

not just businesses...da community wanted em too...bad.
 
Dudes want to talk about the lower/middle class but look at me crazy when I talk about the jobs being occupied by the lower/middle class.

Cleaning crew, lunch staff, security, warehouse work, construction all needed at new headquarters. This is all before you think about the spillage to local business owners.
Bodegas, Smoke shops, liquor stores, barber shops, cab drivers, nail salons, Chinese restaurants, maaaan I could go all day.

But ya worried about the landlords.

if it was up to these dudes da abandoned pepsi plant on da shore n would' stayed put and all those luxury high rises would've been curbed over fears of gentrification...
 
There is nothing wrong with incentives, and you can quibble about the amount of Tax breaks amazon got.

the real problem is the housing supply, NYC may not be as bad as the Bay, but that's not saying much.
 
Year is 2030,

Earth is now one giant amazon hub. Its oceans being sucked dry to power Bezos’ giant machines.

Bezos is now the richest man in the galaxy.

Everyone now works in a fulfillment center.

Everything else is automated but Bezos enjoys watching mankind suffer the sortation.

Still no AC...
 
Until the average median of that community is 125-150k. Please picture what will happen to that community had that happen.

so politicians over da people's wishes? got it.

NYC may not be as bad as the Bay, but that's not saying much.

we're not even on da same stratosphere. we build up and change zoning when needed, SF refused to update their zoning to address da housing shortage hence their problems.
 
Ninja is so hung up over "da community" he still doesn't understand what a 6 figure median in his local town will cause. :lol:
 
LIC is already unlivable for the middle class. Astoria is heading that way as well. Sunnyside/Woodside are on the come up. Basically the equivalent of Ridgewood with Bushwick and Williamsburg rising to acclaim. Those three cities would probably be effected the most by the Amazon. Once those rents rise up, you’re basically forcing people into Jackson Heights and Corona which now displaced thousands of immigrant families. This wouldn’t have been a fair situation for people who actually need to live in that terrain.
 
Until the average median of that community is 125-150k. Please picture what will happen to that community had that happen.

Again, what is your logic here?
You think the top CEOs are going to live across the street from the building?

That community has already changed man.
15-20 years ago that whole area was industrial.
Now it’s full of high rises.

Real talk, when was the last time you were in LIC?
 
EYE don’t know why EYE am wasting keystrokes on you.

What concern of yours am I hand waving away?
Infrastructure concerns? When was the last time you were in Astoria or Long Island City?

I still stand by me being entertained by the whole **** show that is our political system when Trump came on board.
Was open to hearing what he had to say.
But ultimately he exposed himself as a joke and my vote backed that up.
Not sure what exactly you think you holding against me with this.

And now you want to accuse me of lecturing black people? Wheeennnnnn? Dudes really serious with this ****?
I mean you might as well use the race card on me.
Again, not sure what exactly you think you have on me with this comment.

It’s cool to hide behind terms like lower class and ****, but still nobody has told me what lower class people you talking about.
It’s like you use the word and think nothing gets questioned.

Long Island City is not the slums, b. If you currently live in Long Island City, you have a job that supports that lifestyle.

Ima leave it at this, NYers have overwhelmingly said, we wanted this to happen...but you want to save us from ourselves...ok.
Good grief man. I am saying you say trying to tell me I'm not thinking straight because I am a liberal, you say doing this even when I take the time to explain my side to you. I listed examples when you used that excuse in the past and to show you are the that loves to throw out political leanings in a discussion. I try to explain my point and you have wave it away as just left wing talking points. Furthermore you stay have this thing that if you think you are arguing against the left wing argument, you position should hold more weight because you are going against the grain.

In this case it doesn't even matter. The deal for Amazon was made by one set of liberals, and another set got an issue with it. So there is a left wing case for and against Amazon coming. It was completely pointless for you to bring up people's political leaning and somehow think that weaken their argument, and strengthen yours because you assumed you were being contrarian.

Furthermore, people have concerns over a potential housing crisis. It is a legit concern based on the economics of the situation. It is completely fair to raise these problems.

If Amazon and their supporters didn't want this backlash, they could have played it differently. He could have came out from the jump saying they would help support affordable housing. They could have undercut the objections to the deal from the beginning. As soon as they announced this search and cities started announcing packages, there was blow back. Amazon ignored the blow back, but know it bit them in the ***

People don't agree with you on this, and you are not making a good case, just trying to claim some expertise while saying everyone else is being irrational.
 
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