Black Wealth in PG County (MD) Dashed by the Housing Crisis...

SE being gentrified, bruh.


Glad you mentioned this, because this is pushing a lot of folks out of SE and into PG...I guess that's a whole new thread topic though

Exactly! All the DC residents being forced out are heading to PG. It's the trickle down effect...

When you think about it, the whole thing is SOOOOO complex, but fascinating at the same time. So many layers to the problems that plague PG county.

Going to be interesting to see what happens with the economy over there once MGM builds the casino at Nat'l Harbor.
 
thenewjs23 thenewjs23

But race is a factor here. We know--we have scores of data to prove the fact--that minorities were disproportionately targeted and exploited by means of predatory lending.

Even so, temporarily putting race aside, this underscores a fundamental truth about wealth building: diversification within assets is key.

In simpler terms, don't put all of your eggs in one basket. Unfortunately, blacks and other minorities tend to favor one basket for all their eggs.

The growth in wealth disparity between the 1% (largely white) and everyone else is rooted in the fact that the former group is well diversified in their investment; thus, they can take a hit in the housing market and come out fairly unscathed.

As a people, blacks and other minority groups should amend their approach to wealth building and begin harnessing the power of diversification; of course, here too, there will be challenges and obstacles, but I believe in the long run this approach will prove profitable.






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There nothing but black folks in PG county. I recently moved to the DMV and everyone says move to Maryland thats where the black folks are living. Of course data is going to show black at a disadvantage, they are the majority in the area. Those same lenders had borrowers from all of the US. The PG County pool just had a lot more black folks in it. PG County was small very peice in lenders nationwide portfolios. Show me the data that compares lenders nationwide portfolio in relation to PG County. I guarantee it will show black folks at a minority.
 
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I have a lot of cats working down in the DMV. Seems like the only affordable place in the city is Southeast, but from what it sounds like, it's nothing but slums there. Wonder if it'll ever pick up like NW
rare gems in se just gotta look hard lucky i found a steal in se 
 
SE being gentrified, bruh.

Hell, last time I was down there it ain't look like it :lol: (granted this was a year ago)
A bunch of cats walking around in ski suits looking like they got nothing to lose
 
Hell, last time I was down there it ain't look like it
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(granted this was a year ago)
A bunch of cats walking around in ski suits looking like they got nothing to lose
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Exactly! All the DC residents being forced out are heading to PG. It's the trickle down effect...

When you think about it, the whole thing is SOOOOO complex, but fascinating at the same time. So many layers to the problems that plague PG county.

Going to be interesting to see what happens with the economy over there once MGM builds the casino at Nat'l Harbor.
Exactly! It legit is fascinating.  And like you mentioned, I'm curious to see what the casino brings to the table.  What is so interesting to me about PG County is how the wealth that does exist and the new construction, creation of jobs, etc. seems to only be happening in a select few spots while the rest of the county is left to essentially deteriorate.  But then again, the folks moving to PG from SE and other parts of DC which are being gentrified need SOMEWHERE to go that is affordable, so I guess the wealth and new opportunity in PG can't necessarily be spread around equally.  Does that make sense?  I could talk about this stuff all day. 
 
850 sq ft 1br apt carpet , w/d , dishwasher, u controll furnace /ac , locked entrance , all for .....
$800 a month plus elec
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rare gems in se just gotta look hard lucky i found a steal in se 

That's rent tho, fam

A wise man by the name of Troy Ave once said "I want a mortgage, I don't wanna rent"

Ya landlord can up the price on you any minute daddy-o

And the street cats can move into your building and lower the property value with their antics at any time.

A good priced house in a good neighborhood trumps all, pa. Don't gotta worry about dirty cats in ya building, or rent increasing. I think that's the issue a lot of cats got now. They can't find a decent crib in a decent neighborhood in SE. All joints down there is priced moderately, but it's the things that come with it that's not attractive
 
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That's rent tho, fam

A wise man by the name of Troy Ave once said "I want a mortgage, I don't wanna rent"

Ya landlord can up the price on you any minute daddy-o

And the street cats can move into your building and lower the property value with their antics at any time.

A good priced house in a good neighborhood trumps all, pa. Don't gotta worry about dirty cats in ya building, or rent increasing. I think that's the issue a lot of cats got now. They can't find a decent crib in a decent neighborhood in SE. All joints down there is priced moderately, but it's the things that come with it that's not attractive
 
Very interesting article. I have black family that bought in PG during the housing bubble right before it burst (2007) and their brand new 800k home turned into a 400k home almost overnight. They are still underwater on their mortgage, the area will never recover, and it's a nightmare for them because people are still buying in the neighborhood for half what they paid, for the same damn house.

I would only buy in Moco, I work in NW DC and there's no way with the gentrification of DC that PG will ever recover in terms of housing prices. It's all a setup.
 
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Yea I was talking a mortgage fam not rent.. I rent now and trying to own..
 
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850 sq ft 1br apt carpet , w/d , dishwasher, u controll furnace /ac , locked entrance , all for .....
$800 a month plus elec
:pimp:
rare gems in se just gotta look hard lucky i found a steal in se 

That's rent tho, fam

A wise man by the name of Troy Ave once said "I want a mortgage, I don't wanna rent"

Ya landlord can up the price on you any minute daddy-o

And the street cats can move into your building and lower the property value with their antics at any time.

A good priced house in a good neighborhood trumps all, pa. Don't gotta worry about dirty cats in ya building, or rent increasing. I think that's the issue a lot of cats got now. They can't find a decent crib in a decent neighborhood in SE. All joints down there is priced moderately, but it's the things that come with it that's not attractive

My landlord can up my rent, but I have the option leave.

A nieghbors forecloseur can affect the pric of your home. Not to mention HOA's can dictate what you can and cant do with your home and you have to pay them yearly.

No matter how good the nieghborhood is, all it takes is one of your neighbors to screw up and you can loose thousands.
 
My landlord can up my rent, but I have the option leave.

A nieghbors forecloseur can affect the pric of your home. Not to mention HOA's can dictate what you can and cant do with your home and you have to pay them yearly.

No matter how good the nieghborhood is, all it takes is one of your neighbors to screw up and you can loose thousands.

But that's the pros and cons of owning and renting.. We know this stuff.. But I would rather take the chance with a house..

Man some places I found round here have HOA's monthly..

Man I never even heard of a HOA till I got here from the south
 
Didn't know the foreclosure rate was so high in that community. I have an aunt and uncle that live in Fairwood with their kids. I would frequent the gold's gym over there as well.

In a similar scope a lot of those new constructions in that area (Bowie, Mitchellville, Largo, Upper Marlboro) have probably seen a similar hit. My family bought a new home back in 04 and it was ~ $800K. Now its about $500k (last I looked on zillow).
 
Predatory lending definitely was/is a huge issue, but I really have a hard time feeling sorry for folks who take out loans in excess of $750,000 with 10% or less as a down payment.

I also didn't like the "31% of borrowers in Prince George's County with incomes of over $200,000 a year received subprime loans" quote. It seems as if the author is trying to make it sound like the lenders could have extended the borrowers, mostly black in this case, subprime or prime loans and chose to only make subprime loans. People are given subprime loans when they have little credit history, little collateral, little money available for down payments, etc.

Either way, PG County was the perfect microcosm of irrational exuberance, keeping up with the Jones's, ease of credit and predatory lending, artificially stimulated demand, etc.
 
My landlord can up my rent, but I have the option leave.

A nieghbors forecloseur can affect the pric of your home. Not to mention HOA's can dictate what you can and cant do with your home and you have to pay them yearly.

No matter how good the nieghborhood is, all it takes is one of your neighbors to screw up and you can loose thousands.

But that's the pros and cons of owning and renting.. We know this stuff.. But I would rather take the chance with a house..

Man some places I found round here have HOA's monthly..

Man I never even heard of a HOA till I got here from the south

Any deed restricted home will have a HOA. We have them in texas.
 
Predatory lending definitely was/is a huge issue, but I really have a hard time feeling sorry for folks who take out loans in excess of $750,000 with 10% or less as a down payment.

I also didn't like the "31% of borrowers in Prince George's County with incomes of over $200,000 a year received subprime loans" quote. It seems as if the author is trying to make it sound like the lenders could have extended the borrowers, mostly black in this case, subprime or prime loans and chose to only make subprime loans. People are given subprime loans when they have little credit history, little collateral, little money available for down payments, etc.

Either way, PG County was the perfect microcosm of irrational exuberance, keeping up with the Jones's, ease of credit and predatory lending, artificially stimulated demand, etc.

Im sure those with 200K incomes were buying million dollar homes. I remember $1m homes going for $800mo and no money down in 2002.
 
thenewjs23 thenewjs23

But race is a factor here. We know--we have scores of data to prove the fact--that minorities were disproportionately targeted and exploited by means of predatory lending.

Even so, temporarily putting race aside, this underscores a fundamental truth about wealth building: diversification within assets is key.

In simpler terms, don't put all of your eggs in one basket. Unfortunately, blacks and other minorities tend to favor one basket for all their eggs.

The growth in wealth disparity between the 1% (largely white) and everyone else is rooted in the fact that the former group is well diversified in their investment; thus, they can take a hit in the housing market and come out fairly unscathed.

As a people, blacks and other minority groups should amend their approach to wealth building and begin harnessing the power of diversification; of course, here too, there will be challenges and obstacles, but I believe in the long run this approach will prove profitable.






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There nothing but black folks in PG county. I recently moved to the DMV and everyone says move to Maryland thats where the black folks are living. Of course data is going to show black at a disadvantage, they are the majority in the area. Those same lenders had borrowers from all of the US. The PG County pool just had a lot more black folks in it. PG County was small very peice in lenders nationwide portfolios. Show me the data that compares lenders nationwide portfolio in relation to PG County. I guarantee it will show black folks at a minority.



In your originally post, you stated without reservation and qualification that race wasn't a factor in the foreclosure crises we're seeing in PG county.

Again, I'm telling you that race was and continues to be very much a part of the equation. Irrespective of the opinion that certain folks were chasing the "joneses", the fact remains that subprime mortgage lenders disproportionately targeted blacks and other minorities.

Even the factors that affect pre-approval and loan finalization are impacted by race: employment and income, debt-to-income ratio, assets and particular access to liquid assets, level of education, etc. To suggest that race was and continues to be a non-factor in the issuance of mortgage loans is proof of ignorance on your part.

But you want "proof" eh?...a simple google search would've sufficed...:rolleyes


http://www.epi.org/publication/bp335-boa-countrywide-discriminatory-lending/

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/15/nyregion/15subprime.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

http://money.cnn.com/2002/05/01/pf/banking/subprime/

http://www.citylab.com/housing/2013...argeted-bogus-loans-during-housing-boom/6559/

http://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...kely-to-last/2012/07/08/gJQAwNmzWW_story.html


Do you need more proof, are you willing to step out of the cave to see the world for what it is?







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This area is ridic, i've decided to take my homebuying talents to the south. It would be great to have a nice big house, and comfortably afford all that comes with it. I'm not buying anytime soon though.
 
thenewjs23 thenewjs23

But race is a factor here. We know--we have scores of data to prove the fact--that minorities were disproportionately targeted and exploited by means of predatory lending.

Even so, temporarily putting race aside, this underscores a fundamental truth about wealth building: diversification within assets is key.

In simpler terms, don't put all of your eggs in one basket. Unfortunately, blacks and other minorities tend to favor one basket for all their eggs.

The growth in wealth disparity between the 1% (largely white) and everyone else is rooted in the fact that the former group is well diversified in their investment; thus, they can take a hit in the housing market and come out fairly unscathed.

As a people, blacks and other minority groups should amend their approach to wealth building and begin harnessing the power of diversification; of course, here too, there will be challenges and obstacles, but I believe in the long run this approach will prove profitable.






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There nothing but black folks in PG county. I recently moved to the DMV and everyone says move to Maryland thats where the black folks are living. Of course data is going to show black at a disadvantage, they are the majority in the area. Those same lenders had borrowers from all of the US. The PG County pool just had a lot more black folks in it. PG County was small very peice in lenders nationwide portfolios. Show me the data that compares lenders nationwide portfolio in relation to PG County. I guarantee it will show black folks at a minority.



In your originally post, you stated without reservation and qualification that race wasn't a factor in the foreclosure crises we're seeing in PG county.

Again, I'm telling you that race was and continues to be very much a part of the equation. Irrespective of the opinion that certain folks were chasing the "joneses", the fact remains that subprime mortgage lenders disproportionately targeted blacks and other minorities.

Even the factors that affect pre-approval and loan finalization are impacted by race: employment and income, debt-to-income ratio, assets and particular access to liquid assets, level of education, etc. To suggest that race was and continues to be a non-factor in the issuance of mortgage loans is proof of ignorance on your part.

But you want "proof" eh?...a simple google search would've sufficed...:rolleyes


http://www.epi.org/publication/bp335-boa-countrywide-discriminatory-lending/

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/15/nyregion/15subprime.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

http://money.cnn.com/2002/05/01/pf/banking/subprime/

http://www.citylab.com/housing/2013...argeted-bogus-loans-during-housing-boom/6559/

http://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...kely-to-last/2012/07/08/gJQAwNmzWW_story.html


Do you need more proof, are you willing to step out of the cave to see the world for what it is?




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The subprime loans were created for folks with bad credit but made decent money. While bad credit is typically associated with black folks. It's not "only" associated with black folks other races have the same problems.

You mean to tell me lenders lost millions, so they could target black folks?

No they went for whomever was dumb enough to do it and black folks werent the only folks that went fror it.

It was mostly non-blacks west of the Mississippi that fell for it.

I have noticed that alot of those articles are out of the eastern coast where there are a lot more black folks. Of course it may seems like they targeted blacks because there are more of them.

This reminds me of the articles that always have Honda as the number one stolen vehicle. It's not beacuse of their popularity. Combined that its frequently the hailed most reliable and 1# sold vehicle, there are a lot more of them on the road.

Im from Texas and these stories arent coming out of my state.
 
PG County is/was (not sure now) the most affluent African-American county in the US . The reason you're not hearing about these stories coming out of Texas (regarding AA's) is that no where in the state is coming close to earning the median income of those in PG county in MD.

Maybe you have to live around the DMV to understand the magnitude of this county falling off the way it has, but it's crazy. The 3 part series that I posted shed some good light on what people are going through that have seen the ups/downs while being residents, as well as the mindset of those wanting to move in.
 
He asks for proof...i give him proof...he retorts: "I have noticed that alot of those articles are out of the eastern coast where there are a lot more black folks..."

I seriously can't...:lol:

I'm done..:lol:



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