Doctors are the #1 Cause of Death in the United States

i said most, not all. theres some good doctors, a lot of bad doctors.
 
This physician, Dr. Mercola, throws around a bunch of words that the general public won't understand or will vaguely understand to try and make a point. He's equating nearly any type of infection with nosocomial infection. He's implying that all adverse drug reactions are avoidable and caused by improper prescribing practices. The article also causes the reader to infer that every occurrence whether harmful or successful is solely the physician's fault. There are numerous players in healthcare but few actually shoulder the liability.
 
i said most, not all. theres some good doctors, a lot of bad doctors.

so i guess in doing your homework you've interacted with most of the nearly 1million physicians in the US in order to come to that conclusion
 
This physician, Dr. Mercola, throws around a bunch of words that the general public won't understand or will vaguely understand to try and make a point. He's equating nearly any type of infection with nosocomial infection. He's implying that all adverse drug reactions are avoidable and caused by improper prescribing practices. The article also causes the reader to infer that every occurrence whether harmful or successful is solely the physician's fault. There are numerous players in healthcare but few actually shoulder the liability.
I was about to say the same thing. 

Dude is good at this hand-waving medical terminology for people who know 1/5 of the words actually being discussed. 

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i said most, not all. theres some good doctors, a lot of bad doctors.
MOST?

Bruh, how do you even say something like that? 
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...and with such confidence too! 
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i said most, not all. theres some good doctors, a lot of bad doctors.
so i guess in doing your homework you've interacted with most of the nearly 1million physicians in the US in order to come to that conclusion
WebMD, bro!
 
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So i guess those without health insurance should live longer and healthier lives than those who do have health insurance......riiiiiiight?
 
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In all seriousness...yes. Doctors screw up.

I appreciate the reminder that when it comes down to it and all options are on the table, that doctors do accidentally screw people up.

Now what is the point of posting this article? 

To ask doctors to step their game up? or is it to merely say that we should have more of a vested interest in educating ourselves about health?

I'm for the latter. I'm not sure how far you'll get (on NT at least) with the former. 
 
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In all seriousness...yes. Doctors screw up.

I appreciate the reminder that when it comes down to it and all options are on the table, that doctors do accidentally screw people up.

Now what is the point of posting this article? 

To ask doctors to step their game up? or is it to merely say that we should have more of a vested interest in educating ourselves about health?

I'm for the latter. I'm not sure how far you'll get (on NT at least) with the former. 

you know damn well the point was the say doctors are overpaid arrogant screwups that do more harm than good and the healthcare system as a whole in the US in horrible
 
In all seriousness...yes. Doctors screw up.

I appreciate the reminder that when it comes down to it and all options are on the table, that doctors do accidentally screw people up.

Now what is the point of posting this article? 

To ask doctors to step their game up? or is it to merely say that we should have more of a vested interest in educating ourselves about health?

I'm for the latter. I'm not sure how far you'll get (on NT at least) with the former. 
you know damn well the point was the say doctors are overpaid arrogant screwups that do more harm than good and the healthcare system as a whole in the US in horrible
Well...I wasn't going to say it. 
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I love how Pig Love just comes in...drops a few nuggets of BS then bounces. 
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You also have to consider that many physicians are handcuffed by insurance companies, Medicare, and other state/county funded healthcare.  Many physicians are not allowed to treat in a reasonable nor efficient manner due to the many regulations and lack of options provided by the insurance companies.  For example, Insurance A only pays for XYZ.  What if drug Q is effective in treating the patient, but the Insurance A does not want to pay because its "Not on Formulary" or "you must try XYZ first because its generic?"  What if XYZ lacks efficacy and has increased side effects for the patient?  One thing you have to understand is money comes first then its patient care.  Otherwise, biologics would be widely available.  Healthcare is not a science but an art.  


also due to liability and lawsuits, MDs often hold back and don't treat patients properly in fear, believe it or not, doctors don't have as much power as you guys may think in a hospital setting....hospitals are a business ran by an administrators who determine what drugs are used, what protocols the doctors must follow, how fast patients are discharged, etc...yes doctors can voice their opinion, but it all comes down to administration.....before you make judgement, keep these things in mind, is not as B&W as it seems.
These two posts are very alarming... the medical care industry should not be ran like a business
 
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You also have to consider that many physicians are handcuffed by insurance companies, Medicare, and other state/county funded healthcare.  Many physicians are not allowed to treat in a reasonable nor efficient manner due to the many regulations and lack of options provided by the insurance companies.  For example, Insurance A only pays for XYZ.  What if drug Q is effective in treating the patient, but the Insurance A does not want to pay because its "Not on Formulary" or "you must try XYZ first because its generic?"  What if XYZ lacks efficacy and has increased side effects for the patient?  One thing you have to understand is money comes first then its patient care.  Otherwise, biologics would be widely available.  Healthcare is not a science but an art.  
also due to liability and lawsuits, MDs often hold back and don't treat patients properly in fear, believe it or not, doctors don't have as much power as you guys may think in a hospital setting....hospitals are a business ran by an administrators who determine what drugs are used, what protocols the doctors must follow, how fast patients are discharged, etc...yes doctors can voice their opinion, but it all comes down to administration.....before you make judgement, keep these things in mind, is not as B&W as it seems.
These two posts are very alarming... the medical care industry should not be ran like a business
Its just what kinda happens over time.

People want healthcare. But they have to pay for it so here come insurance companies. Insurance companies don't pay for everything (like 80-90% of the most expensive procedures are needed by <5% of people)...but since they don't cover everything then decisions have to be made. 

Its really unfortunate, but once you realize that part of the problem is with cost and access then these things pile on really quickly. 

Most docs I know got into it to help...but the system kinda fails itself when things need to be PAID for.
 
I don't doubt the title for a ************* second

I went to the doctor for a ************* UTI

he gave me CIPRO, I get home and, before taking the drug he prescribed me,, i look it up on askapatient,   http://www.askapatient.com/viewrating.asp?drug=19537&name=CIPRO

and the reviews for that **** absolutely blew my mind(ESP because i was
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after searching this pile of **** of a drug... i found that it causes TENDON RUPTURE of all things.

after reading page after page after page of reviews(damn near read all of them), i felt extremely depressed, felt like crying too... i feel like the doctor was sending a subliminal message to telling me to just kill myself.

the reviews from the patients that are in ther mid 20's  and lower, really got to me. I searched it on youtube and saw a grown man crying, claiming the drug ruined his life.

SHAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
I don't doubt the title for a ************* second

I went to the doctor for a ************* UTI

he gave me CIPRO, I get home and, before taking the drug he prescribed me,, i look it up on askapatient,   http://www.askapatient.com/viewrating.asp?drug=19537&name=CIPRO

and the reviews for that **** absolutely blew my mind(ESP because i was
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), well

after searching this pile of **** of a drug... i found that it causes TENDON RUPTURE of all things.

after reading page after page after page of reviews(damn near read all of them), i felt extremely depressed, felt like crying too... i feel like the doctor was sending a subliminal message to telling me to just kill myself.

the reviews from the patients that are in ther mid 20's  and lower, really got to me. I searched it on youtube and saw a grown man crying, claiming the drug ruined his life.

SHAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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You got a UTI though...so... 
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Did you want to get better or not? 

CIPRO is a first-line measure against it...so...I mean...

UTIs aren't exactly friendly situations. 
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I was wondering when someone would ask the question why is this happening. Here's a story that I think is plausible, sorry it's kind of long.



THE TRUTH ABOUT THE ROCKEFELLER DRUG EMPIRE
The Drug Story: By Hans Ruesch

In the 30's, Morris A. Bealle, a former city editor of the old Washington Times and Herald, was running a county seat newspaper, in which the local power company bought a large advertisment every week. This account took quite a lot of worry off Bealle' s shoulders when the bills came due.

But according to Bealle' s own story, one day the paper took up the cudgels for some of its readers that were being given poor service from the power company, and Morris Bealle received the dressing down of his life from the advertising agency which handled the power company' s account. They told him that any more such "stepping out of line" would result in the immediate cancellation not only of the advertising contract, but also of the gas company and the telephone company.

That' s when Bealle' s eyes were opened to the meaning of a "free press", and he decided to get out of the newspaper business. He could afford to do that because he belonged to the landed gentry of Maryland, but not all newspaper editors are that lucky.

Bealle used his professional experience to do some deep digging into the freedom-of-the-press situation and came up with two shattering exposes - "The Drug Story," and "The House of Rockefeller." The fact that in spite of his familiarity with the editorial world and many important personal contacts he couldn't get his revelations into print until he founded his own company, The Columbia Publishing House, Washington D.C., in 1949, was just a prime example of the silent but adamant censorship in force in "the Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave". Although The Drug Story is one of the most important books on health and politics ever to appear in the USA, it has never been admitted to a major bookstore nor reviewed by any establishment paper, and was sold exclusively by mail. Nevertheless, when we first got to read it, in the 1970s, it was already in its 33rd printing, under a different label - Biworld Publishers, Orem, Utah.

Examples

As Bealle pointed out, a business which makes 6% on its invested capital is considered a sound money maker. Sterling Drug, Inc., the main cog and largest holding company in the Rockefeller Drug Empire and its 68 subsidiaries, showed operating profits in 1961 of $23,463,719 after taxes, on net assets of $43,108,106 - a 54% profit. Squibb, another Rockefeller-controlled company, in 1945 made not 6% but 576% on the actual value of its property.

That was during the luscious war years when the Army Surgeon General's Office and the Navy Bureau of Medicine and Surgery were not only acting as promoters for the Drug Trust, but were actually forcing drug trust poisons into the blood streams of American soldiers, sailors and marines, to the tune of over 200 million 'shots'. Is it any wonder, asked Bealle, that the Rockefellers, and their stooges in the Food and Drug Administration, the U.S.

Public Health Service, the Federal Trade Commission, the Better Business Bureau, the Army Medical Corps, the Navy Bureau of Medicine, and thousands of health officers all over the country, should combine to put out of business all forms of therapy that discourage the use of drugs.

"The last annual report of the Rockefeller Foundation", reported Bealle, "itemizes the gifts it has made to colleges and public agencies in the past 44 years, and they total somewhat over half a billion dollars. These colleges, of course, teach their students all the drug lore the Rockefeller pharmaceutical houses want taught. Otherwise there would be no more gifts, just as there are no gifts to any of the 30 odd colleges in the United States that don' t use therapies based on drugs.

"Harvard, with its well-publicized medical school, has received $8,764,433 of Rockefeller's Drug Trust money, Yale got $7 ,927,800, Johns Hopkinkw York's Columbia
University $5,424,371, Cornell University $1,709,072, ete., etc."

And while "giving away" those huge sums to drug propagandizing colleges, the Rockefeller interests were growing to a world-wide web that no one could entirely explore. Already well over 30 years ago it was large enough for Bealle to demonstrate that the Rockefeller interests had created, built up and developed the most far reaching industrial empire ever conceived in the mind of man.
Standard Oil was of course the foundation upon which all of the other Rockefeller industries have been built. The story of Old John D., as ruthless an industrial pirate as ever came down the pike, is well known, but is being today conveniently ignored. The keystone of this mammoth industrial empire was the Chase NationaI Bank, now renamed the Chase Manhattan Bank.

Not the least of its holdings are in the drug business. The Rockefellers own the largest drug manufacturing cormbine in the world, and use all of their other interests to bring pressure to increase the sale of drugs. The fact that most of the 12,000 separate drug items on the market are harmful is of no concem to the Drug Trust...

The Rockefeller Foundation

The Rockefeller Foundation was first set up in 1904 and called the General Education Fund. An organization called the Rockefeller Foundation, ostensibly to supplement the General Education Fund, was formed in 1910 and through long finagling and lots of Rockefeller money got the New York legislature to issue a charter on May 14, 1913.

It is therefore not surprising that the House of Rockefeller has had its own "nominees" planted in all Federal agencies that have to do with health. So the stage was set for the "education" of the American public, with a view to turning it into a population of drug and medico dependents, with the early help of the parents and the schools, then with direct advertising and, last but not least, the influence the advertising revenues had on the media-makers.

A compilation of the magazine Advertising Age showed that as far back as 1948 the larger companies in America spent for advertising the sum total of $1,104,224,374, when the dollar was still worth a dollar and not half a zloty. Of this staggering sum the interlocking Rockefeller-Morgan interests (gone over entirely to Rockefeller after Morgan' s death) controlled about 80 percent, and utilized it to manipulate public information on health and drug matters - then and even more recklessly now.

Censorship

"Even the most independent newspapers are dependent on their press associations for their national news," Bealle pointed out, "and there is no reason for a news editor to suspect that a story coming over the wires of the Associated Press, the United Press or the International News Service is censored when it concerns health matters. Yet this is what happens constantly."

In fact in the '50s the Drug Trust had one of its directors on the directorate of the Associated Press. He was no less than Arthur Hays Sulzberger, publisher of the New York Times and as such one of the most powerful Associated Press directors.

It was thus easy for the Rockefeller Trust to persuade the Associated Press Science Editor to adopt a policy which would not permit any medical news to clear that is not approved by the Drug Trust "expert", and this censor is not going to approve any item that can in any way hurt the sale of drugs.

This accounts to this day for the many fake stories of serums and medical cures and just-around-the-corner breakthrough victories over cancer, AIDS, diabetes, multiple sclerosis, which go out brazenly over the wires to all daily newspapers in America and abroad.

Emanuel M. Josephson, M.D., whom the Drug Trust has been unable to intimidate despite many attempts, pointed out that the National Association of Science Writers was "persuaded" to adopt as part of its code of ethics the following chestnut: "Science editors are incapable of judging the facts of phenomena involved in medical and scientific discovery. Therefore, they only report 'discoveries' approved by medical authorities, or those presented before a body of scientific peers."

This explains why Bantam Books, America's biggest publisher, made a colossal mistake in its initial enthusiasm and optimism sending review copies of SLAUGHTER OF THE INNOCENT to the 3,500 "science writers" on its list, instead of addressing them to the literary book reviewers who are not subject to medical censorship. One single censor decreed NO and SLAUGHTER OF THE INNOCENT sank in silence.

Thus newspapers continue to be fed with propaganda about drugs and their alleged value, although according to the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) 1.5 million people landed in hospitals in 1978 because of medication side effects in the U.S. alone, and despite recurrent statements by intelligent and courageous medical men that most pharmaceutical items on sale are useless at best, but more often harmful or deadly in the long run.

The truth about cures without drugs is suppressed, unless it suits the purpose of the censor to garble it. Whether these cures are effected by Chiropractors, Naturopaths, Naprapaths, Osteopaths, Faith Healers, Spiritualists, Herbalists, Christian Scientists, or MDs who use the brains they have, you never read about it in the big newspapers.

To teach the Rockefeller drug ideology, it is necessary to teach that Nature didn't know what she was doing when she made the human body. But statistics issued by the Children's Bureau of the Federal Security Agency show that since the all-out drive of the Drug Trust for drugging, vaccinating and serumizing the human system, the health of the American nation has sharply declined, especially among children. Children are now given "shots" for this and "shots" for that, when the only safeguard known to science is a pure bloodstream, which can be obtained only with clean air and wholesome food. Meaning by natural and inexpensive means. Just what the Drug Trust most objects to.

When the FDA, whose officials have to be acceptable to Rockefeller Center before they are appointed, has to put an independent operator out of business, it goes all out to execute those orders. But the orders do not come directly from Standard Oil or a drug house director. As Morris Bealle pointed out, the American Medical Association (AMA) is the front for the Drug Trust, and furnishes the quack doctors to testify that even when they know nothing of the product involved, it is their considered opinion that it has no therapeutic value.

Persecution

Wrote Bealle:

"Financed by the taxpayers, these Drug Trust persecutions leave no stone unturned to destroy the victim. If he is a small operator, the resulting attorney's fees and court costs put him out of business. In one case, a Dr. Adolphus Hohensee of Scranton, Pa., who had stated that vitamins (he used natural ones) were vital to good health, was taken to court for 'misbranding' his product. The American Medical Association furnished ten medicos who reversed all known medical theories by testifying that 'vitamins are not necessary to the human body'. Confronted with goverment buIletins to the contrary, the medicos wiggled out of that one by declaring that these standard publications were outdated!"

In addition to the FDA, Bealle listed the following agencies having to do with "health" - i.e., with the health of the Drug Trust to the detriment of the citizens - as being dependent on Rockefeller: U.S. Public Health Service, U.S. Veterans Administration, Federal Trade Commission, Surgeon General of the Air Force, Army Surgeon General' s Office, Navy Bureau of Medicine & Surgery, National Health Research Institute, National Research Council, National Academy of Sciences.

The National Academy of Sciences in Washington is considered the all-wise body which investigates everything under the sun, especially in the field of health, and gives to a palpitating public the last word in that science. To the important post at the head of this agency, the Drug Trust had one of their own appointed. He was none other than Alfred N. Richards, one of the directors and largest stockholders of Merck & Company, which was making huge profits from its drug traffic.

When Bealle revealed this fact, Richards resigned forthwith, and the Rockefellers appointed in his place the President of their own Rockefeller Institution, Detlev W. Bronk.

America's Medico-Drug Cartel

The medico-drug cartel was summed up by J.W Hodge, M.D., of Niagara Falls, N.Y., in these words:

"The medical monopoly or medical trust, euphemistically called the American Medical Association, is not merely the meanest monopoly ever organized, but the most arrogant, dangerous and despotic organisation which ever managed a free people in this or any other age. Any and all methods of healing the sick by means of safe, simple and natural remedies are sure to be assailed and denounced by the arrogant leaders of the AMA doctors' trust as fakes, frauds and humbugs.

Every practioner of the healing art who does not ally himself with the medical trust is denounced as a 'dangerous quack' and impostor by the predatory trust doctors. Every sanitarian who attempts to restore the sick to a state of health by natural means without resort to the knife or poisonous drugs, disease imparting serums, deadly toxins or vaccines, is at once pounced upon by these medical tyrants and fanatics, bitterly denounced, vilified and persecuted to the fullest extent."

The Lincoln Chiropractic College in Indianapolis requires 4,496 hours, the Palmer Institute Chiropractic in Davenport a minimum of 4,000 60-minute classroom hours, the University of Natural Healing Arts in Denver five years of 1,000 hours each to qualify for a degree. The National College of Naprapathy in Chicago requires 4,326 classroom hours for graduation. Yet the medico-drug cartel spreads the propaganda that the practitioners of these three "heretic" sciences are poorly trained or not trained at all - the real reason being that they cure their patients without the use of drugs. In 1958, one of those "ill-trained" doctors, Nicholas P. Grimaldi, who had just graduated from the Lincoln Chiropractic College, took the basic science examination of the Connecticut State Board along with 63 medics and osteopaths. He made the highest mark (91.6) ever made by a doctor taking the Connecticut State Board examination.
 
but i'm sure you read nothing about the incidence of tendon rupture due to cipro. what you should have done was read up on the sequelae of untreated urinary tract infections especially in men and the mortality rate of urosepsis.

2 weeks of cipro which has been extensively tested in double blind random clinical trials or 20+% 30day mortality, dysuria, hematuria, acute renal failure, prostatitis, epididymitis, encephalopathy, coma, etc.
yea you right, your doctor was definitely trying to sabotage your promising pro ball career hoping you would be that 1 in a million that developed a tendon rupture from cipro.
 
I don't doubt the title for a ************* second
I went to the doctor for a ************* UTI
he gave me CIPRO, I get home and, before taking the drug he prescribed me,, i look it up on askapatient,   http://www.askapatient.com/viewrating.asp?drug=19537&name=CIPRO

and the reviews for that **** absolutely blew my mind(ESP because i was :smokin ), well
after searching this pile of **** of a drug... i found that it causes TENDON RUPTURE of all things.

after reading page after page after page of reviews(damn near read all of them), i felt extremely depressed, felt like crying too... i feel like the doctor was sending a subliminal message to telling me to just kill myself.

the reviews from the patients that are in ther mid 20's  and lower, really got to me. I searched it on youtube and saw a grown man crying, claiming the drug ruined his life.

SHAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Are you serious? Cipro is a very common antibiotic prescribed for a urinary tract infections. The incidence of tendon rupture from a one time very short use of Cipro is very low especially if you are a relatively healthy young adult the highest incidence of spontaneous tendon rupture is in the elderly who are also using steroids. If you are that fearful of using it there are other alternatives but smoking may be another of your problems.

That is the problem with websites like askapatient, webmd and the like you have lay people who go on these sites and look up their symptoms and conditions and then psych themselves into having the disease or look up a procedure and see the complications for the given procedure even thought the risk is very small but somehow convince themselves it happens all the time.
Looking up a disease on the internet and reading about it for 10 mins does not afford you the clincal knowledge and understanding of the pathophysiology that 4 yrs of undergrad, 4 yrs of med school and 3-8 yrs of residency do.
 
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