Epic REACT Modifications and Experiments

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  1. thebtcbtq

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    Nice work. I'm ready when you need a wear tester.
     
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  2. Four by Six

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    I'm afraid I'm still working out the kinks. While these two pairs of plates came out beautiful looking, it turns out the curves sagged a little bit while the resin cured. I didn't think the little bit of difference would matter (they are springy after all), but I guess feet are really sensitive and it does matter. While wearing either pair feels great, the plate mismatching the strobel board curves is irritating and hurts after a while. The mismatch also makes the heel pop like the forefoot used to pop on first gen Epics.

    Looks like I'm going to have to come up with a different process that avoids the sagging during cure time. Arrgggh! Just when I thought I was done.
     
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  3. Four by Six

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    If first you don't succeed, try try again... Here is my latest attempt with a new stackup, shape, and resin curing process:

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    I hope this works, as I'm all out of CF supplies now.
     
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  4. Four by Six

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    The Nike Rise REACT Flyknit

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    LOL! Happy to see Nike copy my uncaged Epics! I'm somewhat concerned the leather heel strap might rub the achilles tendon, but probably not. And the tall upper flyknit might rub the ankles, so at least mid socks would be needed. Can't wait to get my hands on these (though in a different color way).

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    My uncaged Epics are my favorite shoe by a long mile. Slip on quickly, super comfortable, light as a feather, cool and breathable, and believe it or not it has become my goto shoe for long runs. In theory it should be too loose and slip around and cause hot spots and blisters, yet in practice it stays in position. Actually, I noticed that I no longer had any foot fatigue after runs which I am guessing is because of the increased blood flow to/from and around my foot. Not sure why.

    I've also learned these make an excellent bad weather shoe. The only thing thing that holds water is the open cell foam insole. A trick I learned is if you use a waterproof or GoreTex bootie, put the insole inside the bootie with your foot and sock and then put on the shoe. Your foot stays dry and warm, and then when you take the shoes off, they self dry very fast. No need for a Pegasus Shield.

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    You can see in this pic they added reinforcement to the inside ball area of foot. I have noticed with my uncaged pair, the foot does want to squish out a bit and tries to overhang the midsole a little bit in that spot, but nothing too bad. You can also see they went with a smaller embroidered swoosh, which I assume will let the flyknit flex more than the huge heat glued on swooshes of the Epic. As far as I can tell the upper has no reinforcement panels at all, other than the aforementioned leather inserts, so the flyknit should be free to flex as needed. I hope all the leather is not irritating or too confining.

    Now all I need is a Triple Black Colorway please!
     
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  5. thebtcbtq

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    Wow, they really copied your idea. I would like to know how many ideas, designs, and colorways have been copied by Nike from Niketalk over the years. Maybe they do not car because there would not be Niketalk without Nike?
     
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  6. Four by Six

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    I'm sure they get lots of "inspiration" from ideas on Niketalk. They overthought the Rise though, as I don't think it needed leather reinforcements or a full bootie upper. All they had to do is take the Epic and stop the manufacturing process before they cut the lace holes and glued on panels. It would be ridiculously cheap to make, just a one piece flyknit upper and REACT foam sole. Offer it at Pegasus prices in a lot of colorways and it would make crazy money for them. The comfort and convenience of a slipper with the performance of a running shoe. And when you add a carbon fiber insole, performance is in the same league as the 4%. Add a GoreTex bootie and it outperforms the Peg Shield. It would only work for lifestyle and running use though, as it does not have enough lockdown for anything that requires cutting side to side like basketball or soccer.
     
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  7. Four by Six

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    TF XC guess at an Epic 2:

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    Can't tell from pic what reinforcement panels are still on the inside, but I bet they keep them all and just lose the outer panels (just a guess). Otherwise the laces would rip through the flyknit. If this rendition turns out to be true, "uncaging" the Epic2 by removing the laces and reinforcement panels could be awesome. The current cut lace holes tend to fray once the panels are removed. The lace holes on the Epic2 appear to be not cut out, but woven into the upper.
     
  8. Four by Six

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    Different preview of Epic2 from REACT thread here:

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    Not liking the heavy embroidery on the large Nike swoosh as it will prevent the flyknit from stretching. Also not liking the smaller outer heel cup. My experiments proved the inner cup was insufficient for heel stability. Hard to tell but probably still has the inner reinforcements, especially the band between the forefoot and heel. Not liking the direction of this shoe, if this turns out to be the Epic2. I liked TF XC's guess at the Epic2 much better. I wouldn't even cop this version.
     
  9. Four by Six

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    From Dragicon in the REACT thread: The Epic Phantom. Much closer to my concept. Nike added a pull tab to the front tongue area, which is not really needed, as the upper is very tall there and easy to grab. The inner ball area reinforcement is on the outside of flyknit upper so it shouldn't rub or irritate the foot inside. Can't tell from the pics if there are any inner reinforcements that might keep the flyknit from stretching. I love the subtle embroidered swoosh, as it will not prevent the flyknit from maximum stretching. It appears the flyknit is woven differently than the Epic Reacts as the color fade is different in some of the colorways. I hope they make lots of awesome colorways. Triple black for work, and an oreo like the upcoming ER2 please Nike! I'm gonna go broke buying the Phantoms - I'm tired of modding all the ERs, I've done over a dozen pair already.

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  10. krlosnow

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    What kind of solvent did you use? Did it decolorate the black knit?

    Thanks in advance:
    Carlos.
     
  11. Four by Six

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    I tried several solvents... what worked best for the heat activated glue on the ER was simply 100% acetone, and it did not appear to decolor the black flyknit. On other Nike shoes, they use other glues requiring different solvents. Boiling water still works best for upper swaps.
     
  12. Four by Six

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    I just picked up the new triple black Rise to use as a work shoe. I posted a couple pics in the REACT thread.

    They feel very different than my triple black ER1s. The forefoot flyknit is not as tight and is much more comfortable. The additional leather reinforcements really lock down the heel and almost feel like a hiking boot at times. There is no way you can use this as a running shoe. Yes, I tried running in them for about a mile, and it works, but no these are not runners despite Nike categorizing them in their running lineup.

    Here is a pic:

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    At first wear, the tip of the leather reinforcement circled in red dug into the side of my foot and worried me. However, once broken in, I don't feel this anymore. Also, you can see the upper wants to bunch up a little in the green circle. Again, I don't notice or feel this bunching up.

    The shoe is a little bit hotter than the ERs, despite the additional cooling holes in top of forefoot flyknit upper.

    I love these and think they are the perfect work shoes. They look more formal and provide a bit more protection. And if you travel frequently, they slip on and off quickly at airport security - no laces to re-tie.