How come NY gets all the love in hip hop?

I dont think anyone really knows when and where hardcore gangsta or rap originated. East coast gets credited because 1 in that time period NYC was the mecca ofmusic,for all we know it coulda been some cat iuno in maine or hell stl rappin had a cousin from nyc visiting went back 2 nyc and then it spreaded likewildfire.This reminds me kinda like religion,who really truly knows where it was all started.

As far as East coast rap being the only thing relevant today is so untrue on many levels. Besides the heavy hitters(Jay Z 50 cent really thats about it) whohas a buzz or is important in hip hop. Same for west coast,it isnt that west gets no love its just very few artist on the west are getting exposure same as theeast. It aint nuttin but litterally a handful of west coast cats on the map right now same as the east coast. Only reason the east coast appears to have moreis because most shows most music brocasting in hip hop is based outta east coast. Trust me joe budden isnt selling or maino isnt selling any more then MistahFAB Clyde Carson etc. Cube Snoop Game etc is the only west coast rappers some what relevant now,same as Jay 50 Fab etc are the only relevant rappers on theeast coast.
 
Originally Posted by Caliking03

Originally Posted by Untitled

cartune wrote:

MidEastBeast wrote:
Anyone who says the west started the hardcore trend for the east/NYC is an idiot who knows little about hip hop history.




NYC BEEN hard/gangsta/grimey before ANY of the people you are mentioning even came out.
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Im a hip hop historian too my dude Im just not a biased idiot like you.




Tell me an East Coast rapper who was rapping Hardcore before August 8, 1988 Go ahead Ill wait. Cause when NWA was on the scene Kool Moe Dee was rappin about
the Wild Wild West, LL was saying I Need Love, Eric B and Rakim wasnt on no hardcore stuff then either. Wu Tang wasnt on the scene til the 90s. So again Ill
wait..............
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JUST ICE



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Just-Ice (born Joseph Williams Jr.) A former bouncer at punk clubs,
Ice was one of the first of the New York MCs to embrace hardcore
rap (although he hardly used foul language), and when he burst out of Fort Greene, Brooklyn, as Just-Ice, he gained instant notoriety. Muscle-bound, tattooed, aggressive-he resembled Mike Tyson in more than just looks-and with a mouthful of gold teeth, which was the style in
his neighborhood. His slickly produced debut single "LaToya/Put that Record back On" was an instant hit. However, a more down-and-dirty sound could
be found on the 12" B-Side track, "That Girl is a !$**," which, for the time, was relatively profane and owed at least some inspiration to
Doug E. Fresh and Slick Rick's "La Di Da Di." Released soon afterward, his debut album Back to the Old School proved he was more than just a pretty
face. It came out on the independent New York label Fresh/Sleeping Bag label in 1986 and sounded like no other hip-hop album, thanks
to his fast, forceful rhymes, Cool DMX's human beatbox, and the
distinctive production of Mantronix's Kurtis Mantronik. Ice was also one of the first MCs to embrace the teachings of
the Nation of Gods and Earths on a
recording, as well as being a pioneer in incorporating dancehall-style toasting into
hip-hop rhymes. The album is best known in Hip Hop circles for the single "Cold Gettin' Dumb"; the universally known beat can be found reworked
on Redman's single "It's Like That" featuring K-Solo, from the 1996 album,
Muddy Waters.



When he was held by Washington, D.C., police regarding the murder of a drug dealer in 1987 ("Murder, Drugs, and the Rap Star," read a Washington
Post headline), it gave him an even greater notoriety (he was never charged with the murder). Declaring war on D.C.'s go-go scene and
loudly criticizing Run-D.M.C. (very popular in New York at this time), Just-Ice set a
pattern for many a future hip-hop feud. Little could halt Just-Ice's ascension to hip hop stardom, though the departure of Mantronik from Sleeping Bag was a bad omen. KRS-One stepped in to produce 1987's Kool & Deadly (Justicizms), an album that
swapped Mantronik's hi-tech skills for raw, elemental beats and rhymes. The British and New York public that had so enthusiastically embraced Back to
the Old School was indifferent about this one, and 1989's The Desolate One (with KRS-One back in the producer's seat) was no great improvement. Legendary turntablist Grandmaster Flash
produced Ice's fourth album and last for Fresh/Sleeping Bag, Masterpiece.



By 1990, both Just-Ice and Sleeping Bag appeared to be quickly fading as a new generation of MCs and labels overtook them. He continued to release albums at
intervals across the 1990s, but they were on tiny independent labels-although one, 1993's Gun Talk, had major-label distribution and had five of
the album's 10 cuts produced by Kurtis Mantronik-and were seldom noticed. This was in part due to Just-Ice's gruff exterior. In one instance at the now
defunct Chicago hip hop radio station WJPC 950 AM, while promoting the album, Just-Ice went on an expletive-filled rant about the state of hip hop. The station
abruptly cut off his mike, stopped the interview, had security escort Just-Ice out of the building, and took the lead single out of its rotation.



Just-Ice was a member of hip-hop super session the Stop the Violence All Stars, which released one single ("Self Destruction") in 1990, which
promoted peace in the communities.



In recent years, Just Ice released several white label 12-inch singles with production by hip hop superstar producer DJ Premier.







anyone who knows about hip-hop music knows that the West invented Hardcore Gangsta Rap



Are you ******ed ?

1986 ?

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The East invented hardcore/gangsta rap. Period.
 
Originally Posted by geegee

i dont think NYC gets all the love these days but during the best era 80s-90s NYC was putting out the best music for the most part.
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The only love NYC is getting from the hip hop community is from NYC.

I dont know about putting the best material in that time period but i do know it was the most exposed, just like ppl say the south is now,thats how east coastwas. They played any and damn near everything that came out the east coast be it good bad or ugly. The west coast had gems and great albums in that time periodas did the south. Its just at that point in time it was like ok u had an accent u said son a few times and u was put on(tho alot of east coast rappers hadskill and put out incredible albums, same as how the south has done and west has done). Kinda like if u throw a 808 on a track say a few shawties u are put onnow.
 
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