How we failed the Founding Fathers of America

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  1. nothingbefore

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    hey meant for this country to be free of religion...and people's ignorance let the church Con them again



    quotes from the founding fathers


    Thomas Jefferson


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    In every country and every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot ... they have perverted the purest religion ever preached to man into mystery and jargon, unintelligible to all mankind, and therefore the safer engine for their purpose."
    - to Horatio Spafford, March 17, 1814
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    "Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, imprisoned; yet we have not advanced an inch towards uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one half the world fools, and the other half hypocrites. To support roguery and error all over the earth."
    - "Notes on Virginia"
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    "Shake off all the fears of servile prejudices, under which weak minds are servilely crouched. Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call on her tribunal for every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear.
    - letter to Peter Carr, Aug. 10, 1787
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    "It is too late in the day for men of sincerity to pretend they believe in the Platonic mysticisms that three are one, and one is three; and yet that the one is not three, and the three are not one. But this constitutes the craft, the power and the profit of the priests."
    - to John Adams, 1803
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    "History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance, of which their political as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purpose."
    - to Baron von Humboldt, 1813
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    "On the dogmas of religion, as distinguished from moral principles, all mankind, from the beginning of the world to this day, have been quarreling, fighting, burning and torturing one another, for abstractions unintelligible to themselves and to all others, and absolutely beyond the comprehension of the human mind."
    - to Carey, 1816
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    "Gouverneur Morris had often told me that General Washington believed no more of that system (Christianity) than did he himself."
    -in his private journal, Feb. 1800
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    "It is not to be understood that I am with him (Jesus Christ) in all his doctrines. I am a Materialist; he takes the side of Spiritualism, he preaches the efficacy of repentance toward forgiveness of sin; I require a counterpoise of good works to redeem it." - to Carey, 1816
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    "The priests of the superstition, a bloodthirsty race, are as cruel and remorseless as the being whom they represented as the family God of Abraham, of Isaac and of Jacob, and the local God of Israel. That Jesus did not mean to impose himself on mankind as the son of God, physically speaking, I have been convinced by the writings of men more learned than myself in that lore."
    - to Story, Aug. 4, 1820

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    "Creeds have been the bane of the Christian church ... made of Christendom a slaughter-house."
    - to Benjamin Waterhouse, Jun. 26, 1822
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    "Let us, then, fellow citizens, unite with one heart and one mind. Let us restore to social intercourse that harmony and affection without which liberty and even life itself are but dreary things. And let us reflect that having banished from our land that religious intolerance under which mankind so long bled, we have yet gained little if we countenance a political intolerance as despotic, as wicked, and capable of a bitter and bloody persecutions."
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    "I do not find in orthodox Christianity one redeeming feature."
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    "It has been fifty and sixty years since I read the Apocalypse, and then I considered it merely the ravings of a maniac."

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    "The truth is, that the greatest enemies of the doctrine of Jesus are those, calling themselves the expositors of them, who have perverted them to the structure of a system of fancy absolutely incomprehensible, and without any foundation in his genuine words. And the day will come, when the mystical generation [birth] of Jesus, by the Supreme Being as his father, in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation [birth] of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter."
    - to John Adams, Apr. 11, 1823
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    "They [preachers] dread the advance of science as witches do the approach of daylight and scowl on the fatal harbinger announcing the subversions of the duperies on which they live."
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    "I have recently been examining all the known superstitions of the world, and do not find in our particular superstition (Christianity) one redeeming feature. They are all alike founded on fables and mythology."
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    "We discover in the gospels a groundwork of vulgar ignorance, of things impossible, of superstition, fanaticism and fabrication ."
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    "No man shall be compelled to frequent or support any religious worship, place, or ministry whatsoever."
    -Virginia Act for Religious Freedom
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    "... I am not afraid of priests. They have tried upon me all their various batteries of pious whining, hypocritical canting, lying and slandering. I have contemplated their order from the Magi of the East to the Saints of the West and I have found no difference of character, but of more or less caution, in proportion to their information or ignorance on whom their interested duperies were to be played off. Their sway in New England is indeed formidable. No mind beyond mediocrity dares there to develop itself."
    - letter to Horatio Spofford, 1816
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    "The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods, or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg."
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    "Christianity neither is, nor ever was, a part of the Common Law."
    -letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, 1814
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    "In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot.... they have perverted the purest religion ever preached to man into mystery and jargon, unintelligible to all mankind, and therefore the safer engine for their purpose."
    - to Horatio Spafford, March 17, 1814
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    Benjamin Franklin


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    "I think vital religion has always suffered when orthodoxy is more regarded than virtue. The scriptures assure me that at the last day we shall not be examined on what we thought but what we did."
    - letter to his father, 1738



    ". . . Some books against Deism fell into my hands. . . It happened that they wrought an effect on my quite contrary to what was intended by them; for the arguments of the Deists, which were quoted to be refuted, appeared to me much stronger than the refutations; in short, I soon became a thorough Deist."
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    "I cannot conceive otherwise than that He, the Infinite Father, expects or requires no worship or praise from us, but that He is even infinitely above it."
    - "Articles of Belief and Acts of Religion", 1728
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    "I wish it (Christianity) were more productive of good works ... I mean real good works ... not holy-day keeping, sermon-hearing ... or making long prayers, filled with flatteries and compliments despised by wise men, and much less capable of pleasing the Deity."
    - Works, Vol. VII, p. 75
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    "If we look back into history for the character of the present sects in Christianity, we shall find few that have not in their turns been persecutors, and complainers of persecution. The primitive Christians thought persecution extremely wrong in the Pagans, but practiced it on one another. The first Protestants of the Church of England blamed persecution in the Romish Church, but practiced it upon the Puritans. They found it wrong in Bishops, but fell into the practice themselves both here (England) and in New England."
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    "Lighthouses are more helpful than churches."
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    "The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason."
    -in Poor Richard's Almanac
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    "When a religion is good, I conceive it will support itself; and when it does not support itself so that its professors are obliged to call for the help of the civil power, 'tis a sign, I apprehend, of its being a bad one."
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    "I looked around for God's judgments, but saw no signs of them."
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    "In the affairs of the world, men are saved, not by faith, but by the lack of it."



    "It is much to be lamented that a man of Franklin's general good character and great influence should have been an unbeliever in Christianity, and also have done as much as he did to make others unbelievers" (Priestley's Autobiography)




    John Adams:


    "As I understand the Christian religion, it was, and is, a revelation. But how has it happened that millions of fables, tales, legends, have been blended with both Jewish and Christian revelation that have made them the most bloody religion that ever existed?"
    -letter to F.A. Van der Kamp, Dec. 27, 1816
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    "I almost shudder at the thought of alluding to the most fatal example of the abuses of grief which the history of mankind has preserved-- the Cross. Consider what calamities that engine of grief has produced!"
    -letter to Thomas Jefferson
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    "The priesthood have, in all ancient nations, nearly monopolized learning. And ever since the Reformation, when or where has existed a Protestant or dissenting sect who would tolerate A FREE INQUIRY? The blackest billingsgate, the most ungentlemanly insolence, the most yahooish brutality, is patiently endured, countenanced, propagated, and applauded. But touch a solemn truth in collision with a dogma of a sect, though capable of the clearest proof, and you will find you have disturbed a nest, and the hornets will swarm about your eyes and hand, and fly into your face and eyes."
    - letter to John Taylor
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    "The divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity. Nowhere in the Gospels do we find a precept for Creeds, Confessions, Oaths, Doctrines, and whole cartloads of other foolish trumpery that we find in Christianity."
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    "The question before the human race is, whether the God of Nature shall govern the world by his own laws, or whether priests and kings shall rule it by fictitious miracles?"
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    "Can a free government possibly exist with the Roman Catholic religion?"
    -letter to Thomas Jefferson
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    "God is an essence that we know nothing of. Until this awful blasphemy is got rid of, there will never be any liberal science in the world."
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    "Have you considered that system of holy lies and pious frauds that has raged and triumphed for 1,500 years?"



    ". . . Thirteen governments [of the original states] thus founded on the natural authority of the people alone, without a pretence of miracle or mystery, and which are destined to spread over the northern part of that whole quarter of the globe, are a great point gained in favor of the rights of mankind."
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    "This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion in it."





    Benjamin Franklin:



    Benjamin Franklin

    "I think vital religion has always suffered when orthodoxy is more regarded than virtue. The scriptures assure me that at the last day we shall not be examined on what we thought but what we did."
    - letter to his father, 1738



    ". . . Some books against Deism fell into my hands. . . It happened that they wrought an effect on my quite contrary to what was intended by them; for the arguments of the Deists, which were quoted to be refuted, appeared to me much stronger than the refutations; in short, I soon became a thorough Deist."
    .


    "I cannot conceive otherwise than that He, the Infinite Father, expects or requires no worship or praise from us, but that He is even infinitely above it."
    - "Articles of Belief and Acts of Religion", 1728
    .


    "I wish it (Christianity) were more productive of good works ... I mean real good works ... not holy-day keeping, sermon-hearing ... or making long prayers, filled with flatteries and compliments despised by wise men, and much less capable of pleasing the Deity."
    - Works, Vol. VII, p. 75
    .


    "If we look back into history for the character of the present sects in Christianity, we shall find few that have not in their turns been persecutors, and complainers of persecution. The primitive Christians thought persecution extremely wrong in the Pagans, but practiced it on one another. The first Protestants of the Church of England blamed persecution in the Romish Church, but practiced it upon the Puritans. They found it wrong in Bishops, but fell into the practice themselves both here (England) and in New England."
    .


    "Lighthouses are more helpful than churches."
    .


    "The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason."
    -in Poor Richard's Almanac
    .


    "When a religion is good, I conceive it will support itself; and when it does not support itself so that its professors are obliged to call for the help of the civil power, 'tis a sign, I apprehend, of its being a bad one."
    .


    "I looked around for God's judgments, but saw no signs of them."
    .


    "In the affairs of the world, men are saved, not by faith, but by the lack of it."



    "It is much to be lamented that a man of Franklin's general good character and great influence should have been an unbeliever in Christianity, and also have done as much as he did to make others unbelievers" (Priestley's Autobiography)
     
  2. i r andre

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    Some of these quotes are hilarious on the low.
     
  3. fede dpt

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    Ben Franklin is rolling in his grave.
     
  4. nothingbefore

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    WORD PEEP THE NEXT THREAD IM POSTING NOW WOOO


    americans smh
     
  5. nothingbefore

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    we are like the selected few people tho who know this

    if you walk out in the streets right now & ask any reg joe [​IMG]

    but slowly people are catching on
     
  6. dey know yayo

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    founding fathers definitely didn't want a nation FREE of religion, they wanted one free of religious intolerance or religious imposition. which we more orless do have today, though i agree it can definitely still be improved. most of our founding fathers were deists, whcih is still a form of religion.

    the real way we failed our founding fathers is giving our government too much power, especially the federal reserve, who caused the current financial crisisand is causing (as we speak) the monetary crisis of the next few years. we are undoing what alexander hamilton worked so hard to do- keep faith in the USdollar.
     
  7. halftime718

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    looks like you just watched Religulous.
     
  8. DeadsetAce

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    not free from religion. free to choose any religion.
     
  9. nothingbefore

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    nope not me
     
  10. friendliest ghost

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    Jefferson said black people stink in Notes on Virginia. He also thought America should remain a strictly agricultural society and forgo any European styleindustry, which in my mind would have prolonged slavery for far longer than it went on.

    So all in all, I'm not to concerned with living up to the ideals of the Founding Fathers.
     
  11. dey know yayo

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    jefferson in later years was very sympathetic to slaves. slavery wasnt prolonged through agrarianism, it was prolonged through ignorance.

    founding fathers were far ahead of their time, it's ludicrous to try to trivialize their contributions to modern day thought.
     
  12. dmxfury

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    Washington has to be so pissed on how political parties/games took over once he was gone. It has only been downhill since him.
     
  13. cjgenius368

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    You could probably pull out just as many quotations from these 3, or the dozens of other "founding fathers," in support of religion.
     
  14. i r andre

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    You didn't read the thread obviously, and if they have so many quotes in support of religion then list them.
     
  15. fede dpt

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  16. barack 0drama

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    [​IMG][​IMG] @ The Fed being a private institution...

    Thanks Rockefeller.
     
  17. finnns2003

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    yeah, America has gone against its founding principles. today's America is a mess. still greater than a lot of countries, but the nicest piece of %#^@ in atoilet bowl is still @#%^.
     
  18. anygivensunday

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    $*## the founding fathers... they didnt wanna do %%%@ for me.
     
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    Some of them were also slave owning hypocrites.
     
  21. 49ers650

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    Truth.