Is "Distant Relatives" Better Than "WTT?"

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Originally Posted by sillyputty

Even though i don't rock with the whole "god"/sprituality thing on this album...I completely understand it because my folks are jamaican. They weren't rastas but I know a bunch so I understand the concepts they speak of...
but...

The Sheer Knowledge Dropped on Distant Relatives dumps all over WTT.


Damian Marley and Nas hurt feelings with this one if ya'll pay attention.

In terms of content, "Patience" is better than the entire WTT album.

Ya'll need to read the damn lyrics:

[Nas Talking - Intro]
Here we are
here we are
Yeah
This one right here is for the people


[Hook] (Sample -MAMADOU & MARIAM, “SABALIâ€)
Sabali, Sabali, Sabali, yonkontê
Sabali, Sabali, Sabali, kiye
Ni kêra môgô
Sabali, Sabali, Sabali, yonkontê
Sabali, Sabali, Sabali, kagni
Ni kêra môgô


[Nas Talking]
Ay yo D. Lets go all the way on this one.


[Damian Marley - Verse 1]
Some of the smartest dummies
Can’t read the language of Egyptian mummies
An’ a fly go a moon
And can’t find food for the starving tummies
Pay no mind to the youths
Cause it’s not like the future depends on it
But save the animals in the zoo
Cause the chimpanzee dem a make big money
This is how the media pillages
On the TV the picture is
Savages in villages
And the scientist still can’t explain the pyramids, huh
Evangelists making a living on the videos of ribs of the little kids
Stereotyping the image of the images
And this is what the image is
You buy a khaki pants
And all of a sudden you say a Indiana Jones
An’ a thief out gold and thief out the scrolls and even the buried bones
Some of the worst paparazzis I’ve ever seen and I ever known
Put the worst on display so the world can see
And that’s all they will ever show
So the ones in the west
Will never move east
And feel like they could be at home
Dem get tricked by the beast
But a where dem ago flee when the monster is fully grown?
Solomonic linage whe dem still can’t defeat and them coulda never clone
My spiritual DNA that print in my soul and I will forever Own Lord


[Hook]

[Nas talking]
Yeah, Sabali. Thats patience. That’s what the old folks told me…
Discovering the World before this World. A World buried in time.
Uncover with rhymes. It gets no realer.


[Damian Marley: Verse 2]
Huh, we born not knowing, are we born knowing all?
We growing wiser, are we just growing tall?
Can you read thoughts? can you read palms?
Huh, can you predict the future? can you see storms, coming?
The Earth was flat if you went too far you would fall off
Now the Earth is round if the shape change again everybody woulda start laugh
The average man can’t prove of most of the things that he chooses to speak of
And still won’t research and find out the root of the truth that you seek of
Scholars teach in Universities and claim that they’re smart and cunning
Tell them find a cure when we sneeze and that’s when their nose start running
And the rich get stitched up, when we get cut
Man a heal dem broken bones in the bush with the wed mud
Can you read signs? can you read stars?
Can you make peace? can you fight war?
Can you milk cows, even though you drive cars? huh
Can you survive, Against All Odds, Now?


[Hook]

[Nas]
It’s crazy when you feed people the truth you don’t know how they’re gonna react. You’re scared of wrong doers, people that just ignorant, You’re scared of the truth, be patient for now.


[Nas: Verse 3]
Who wrote the Bible? Who wrote the Qur’an?
And was it a lightning storm
That gave birth to the Earth
And then dinosaurs were born? damn
Who made up words? who made up numbers?
And what kind of spell is mankind under?
Everything on the planet we preserve and can it
Microwaved it and try it
No matter what we’ll survive it
What’s hue? what’s man? what’s human?
Anything along the land we consuming
Eatin’, deletin’, ruin
Trying to get paper
Gotta have land, gotta have acres
So I can sit back like Jack Nicholson
Watch n-ggas play the game like the lakers
In a world full of 52 fakers
Gypsies, seances, mystical prayers
You superstitious? throw salt over your shoulders
Make a wish for the day cuz
Like somebody got a doll of me
Stickin’ needles in my arteries
But I can’t feel it
Sometimes it’s like ‘pardon me, but I got a real big spirit’
I’m fearless…. I’m fearless
Don’t you try and grab hold of my soul
It’s like a military soldier since seven years old
I held real dead bodies in my arms
Felt their body turn cold, oh
Why we born in the first place
If this is how we gotta go?
Damn.


This goes to all the wisdom and knowledge seekers of the World. Sabali, Patience, yeah.
[End]



Read more:�http://www.killerhiphop.com/patience-lyrics-nas-damian-marley/#ixzz1fBvZKuVC




There is NO contest.




And thats just ONE song off of this album.
Yes i am quoting this whole post because this man speaks the gospel

DR > WTT

I felt smarter after i listened to DR.  The things that were said the idea's that were brought up, the struggles i never knew existed.
WTT was a great album but DR to me is a classic.
 
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Originally Posted by RavageBX

The most important words you hear on this entire album are "we", "us", "our", etc. It's all over the album. "We" made it in America. "We" ain't supposed to be here. Millions of "our" people lost. Those with selective hearing only hear Kanye and Jay talking about themselves when in fact over the span of the entire album they're speaking for black people as a whole.


  
 
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@ sillyputty

While I agree that Patience is a great song, it's easy for people to confuse "dropping knowledge" as necessarily making good music. There are plenty of records that I've listened to across all genres that "drop knowledge" that were subpar. Dylan and Harrison (among two of my favorite lyricists in music history along with Nesta himself) "dropped knowledge" all the time; they've also released duds IMO. Patience contains more "knowledge" than a record like say, "One Love" by Damian's father, guess which one is better in my eyes?

I love listening to music that educates. It's also hardly the only kind of music that I enjoy or consider good, espeically for different moments. Lupe is a better artist to me than Waka and certainly displays more "knowledge" in music, but Flockaveli's gotten way more spins than Lasers in my ITunes
 
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Originally Posted by LuketheJediKnight

@ sillyputty

While I agree that Patience is a great song, it's easy for people to confuse "dropping knowledge" as necessarily making good music. There are plenty of records that I've listened to across all genres that "drop knowledge" that were subpar. Dylan and Harrison (among two of my favorite lyricists in music history along with Nesta himself) "dropped knowledge" all the time; they've also released duds IMO. Patience contains more "knowledge" than a record like say, "One Love" by Damian's father, guess which one is better in my eyes?

I love listening to music that educates. It's also hardly the only kind of music that I enjoy or consider good, espeically for different moments. Lupe is a better artist to me than Waka and certainly displays more "knowledge" in music, but Flockaveli's gotten way more spins than Lasers in my ITunes
Completely agree with those. It's the same notion that all  rap/hip hop that strays from the norm or is "different" is automatically good. That's why I find it funny when someone
who solely listens to Soulja Boy is arguing with someone who listens the most obscure buried underground rapper ever. Their points tend to negate each other, and neither
realize that they are arguing the same point and agreeing with each other at the same time. 

And that's cause Flockaveli bangs and Lasers is awful


  
 
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I love listening to music that educates. It's also hardly the only kind of music that I enjoy or consider good, espeically for different moments.

I completely agree.  There are artists that "drop knowledge" but really don't know how to make music, and there are artists that make music but don't know how to "drop knowledge". Then there are artists that are able to do both effortlessly.  Those are the best because they are well-balanced.
 
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no offense but i don't really get any knowledge from music. DR was cool in lyrical content. but did it bloww my mind? not really. I love the black empowerment of WTT, not black btw. but the idea of we us and our is what is needed. in terms of dam marl i eff with him. nas he fell off since it was written.
 

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Originally Posted by Peep Game

Originally Posted by LuketheJediKnight

@ sillyputty

While I agree that Patience is a great song, it's easy for people to confuse "dropping knowledge" as necessarily making good music. There are plenty of records that I've listened to across all genres that "drop knowledge" that were subpar. Dylan and Harrison (among two of my favorite lyricists in music history along with Nesta himself) "dropped knowledge" all the time; they've also released duds IMO. Patience contains more "knowledge" than a record like say, "One Love" by Damian's father, guess which one is better in my eyes?

I love listening to music that educates. It's also hardly the only kind of music that I enjoy or consider good, espeically for different moments. Lupe is a better artist to me than Waka and certainly displays more "knowledge" in music, but Flockaveli's gotten way more spins than Lasers in my ITunes
Completely agree with those. It's the same notion that all  rap/hip hop that strays from the norm or is "different" is automatically good. That's why I find it funny when someone
who solely listens to Soulja Boy is arguing with someone who listens the most obscure buried underground rapper ever. Their points tend to negate each other, and neither
realize that they are arguing the same point and agreeing with each other at the same time. 

And that's cause Flockaveli bangs and Lasers is awful


  
Bruh...I completely agree with you
Me and my boys got this chant we do where were yellin' out "ROUND OF APPLAUSE SHAWTY MAKE DAT *** CLAP!" and we're all clapping and its all good times LOL...but what Nas and Damian marley did AND how GREAT it sounds (to me) is something WTT didn't do.

WTT talking on deep topics seemed contrived and forced. It lacked that organic sound. It seemed like a Jay-Z ft Kanye song or a Kanye Ft. Jay-Z song. It clashed too much. Their personalities are really too different for them have made some of those songs...

Me me Distant Relatives has a more mature sound and specials on more mature topics in a way that is easier to be embraced and immediately remembered. There was a lot of struggle bars and ATTEMPTS at being deep on WTT. 

Again, there is a difference between trying and doing...there was a lot of TRYING on WTT. 
 
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  I came in here to see if you were trolling when you made this thread or were serious to my surprise were completely serious

Then I saw this:

Originally Posted by LuketheJediKnight

Apples and oranges imo, both are great records, neither are classics. DR could be one if you just had Damian do that entire album solo.
All I can do is
 

 
 
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Originally Posted by sillyputty

Originally Posted by Peep Game

Originally Posted by LuketheJediKnight

@ sillyputty

While I agree that Patience is a great song, it's easy for people to confuse "dropping knowledge" as necessarily making good music. There are plenty of records that I've listened to across all genres that "drop knowledge" that were subpar. Dylan and Harrison (among two of my favorite lyricists in music history along with Nesta himself) "dropped knowledge" all the time; they've also released duds IMO. Patience contains more "knowledge" than a record like say, "One Love" by Damian's father, guess which one is better in my eyes?

I love listening to music that educates. It's also hardly the only kind of music that I enjoy or consider good, espeically for different moments. Lupe is a better artist to me than Waka and certainly displays more "knowledge" in music, but Flockaveli's gotten way more spins than Lasers in my ITunes
Completely agree with those. It's the same notion that all  rap/hip hop that strays from the norm or is "different" is automatically good. That's why I find it funny when someone
who solely listens to Soulja Boy is arguing with someone who listens the most obscure buried underground rapper ever. Their points tend to negate each other, and neither
realize that they are arguing the same point and agreeing with each other at the same time. 

And that's cause Flockaveli bangs and Lasers is awful


  
Bruh...I completely agree with you
Me and my boys got this chant we do where were yellin' out "ROUND OF APPLAUSE SHAWTY MAKE DAT *** CLAP!" and we're all clapping and its all good times LOL...but what Nas and Damian marley did AND how GREAT it sounds (to me) is something WTT didn't do.

WTT talking on deep topics seemed contrived and forced. It lacked that organic sound. It seemed like a Jay-Z ft Kanye song or a Kanye Ft. Jay-Z song. It clashed too much. Their personalities are really too different for them have made some of those songs...

Me me Distant Relatives has a more mature sound and specials on more mature topics in a way that is easier to be embraced and immediately remembered. There was a lot of struggle bars and ATTEMPTS at being deep on WTT. 

Again, there is a difference between trying and doing...there was a lot of TRYING on WTT. 

I liked the album and the lyrics on it. Oh well. They took their own personal experiences and made songs based on them for an audience that varies alot more in demographic make-up than Nas/Damian. That's not easy to do.

As far as the "deepness" thing (and I'm not talking about DR specifically here, just in general) there's a lot of *@%%+#+* in music that's passed off as "deep". Doesn't mean the music necessarily sounds good to my ears. I spend alot of time learning about the world in university and volunteer work anyway, so I think if you want to use music to teach and raise awareness about certain topics it needs to be done right. It's important because some kids out there tend to use the records as their primary and sole source of learning, which ain't a good thing.
 
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Originally Posted by Seymore CAKE

  I came in here to see if you were trolling when you made this thread or were serious to my surprise were completely serious

Then I saw this:

Originally Posted by LuketheJediKnight

Apples and oranges imo, both are great records, neither are classics. DR could be one if you just had Damian do that entire album solo.
All I can do is
 

 

I'm merely stating an opinion. Problem? I thought Damian stood out more for me on this record overall.
 
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Your opinion is your opinion, besides the fact that I found it hilarious I could give a @%#$ about it honestly.

Carry On.
 
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Originally Posted by Seymore CAKE

Your opinion is your opinion, besides the fact that I found it hilarious I could give a @%#$ about it honestly.

Likewise. Just wondering why you felt the need to single out my post inthis 6 page thread in the manner that you did.
 

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Still funny to see that these two albums were compared.

The "just because it's dropping knowledge doesn't mean it's good music" is a correct statements but then I see these lines ppl are quoting in this thread because of the knowledge dropped and then realize what songs they're from
Then I look at the song sillyputty provided which doesn't just drop knowledge but is a great song and I scratch my chin at these other posts.

EDIT
Originally Posted by ILL LEGAL OPERATION

In y'all's opinion, what are the best songs from WTT?

...DR?
WTT - Murder To Excellence and Why I Love You. It's kind of surprising the lack of replay value this album has to me but after MBDTF I honestly shouldn't be that surprised

DR - Only songs I didn't like that much were Dispear and Land of Promise. All the other songs I love. Don't even mind Nah Mean. In His Own Words, Patience, Africa Must Wake Up, and Friends are probably the best songs to me.
 

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Distant Relatives all day...what is there to discuss in terms of depth? The way Kayne raps on some of the tracks on WTT...smh.
 

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Originally Posted by Deuce King

Originally Posted by RavageBX

The most important words you hear on this entire album are "we", "us", "our", etc. It's all over the album. "We" made it in America. "We" ain't supposed to be here. Millions of "our" people lost. Those with selective hearing only hear Kanye and Jay talking about themselves when in fact over the span of the entire album they're speaking for black people as a whole.

  

 truly yours
 
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