Just witnessed the greatest scam I've ever seen Vol. The Ol' Razzle Dazzle

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Posting this as a warning since these people are going from city to city scaming people for potentially hundreds of thousands of dollars or more. They are currently in Beaumont, TX and St.Paul, MN. I almost don't even wanna snitch on these people. I admire the sheer genius of this operation, that and the fact it is more than likely tied to organized crime. My boy lost $400 early, would've been more but he spent all his cash. Let me set the stage for you. (TL;DR? See the bullet points for the scam breakdown, cliffs don't do it justice)

Me and my boy are going to a liquidation event, the kind you hear advertised on TV or radio. Car audio, flat screens, electronics, clothing, all at liquidation prices only open for 2-3 weeks. Usually held at convention centers or vacant big box stores around the country. This one was at a vacant circuit city building in a strip mall. Pretty sure most people are familiar with these events.

We get there and pay an unadvertised $5 entry fee. :rolleyes Walk in and this place is nothing but junk, old *** computers/laptops and TVs. Everything looked like it fell off the back of a truck. Not only was it junk but it was expensive junk. Not a deal in sight. They were selling refurbished tablets for retail. :smh: There's one booth in the back with stacks and stacks of brand new 50-60 inch flat screens, Xbox and Playstations on display. This was the definitely the centerpiece of this traveling show, the main attraction. And it's a essentially a carnival type booth where you pay to draw ping pong balls out of a bin for a chance to win the prize of your choice.

I walk up and dude explains the game. You pay $5 for a try at scooping a ball out of the bin, the number on the ball corresponds to a number on a chart on the counter, the chart tells you how many points that ball is worth. You draw balls at $5 each until you get 100 points or more and you get to choose a prize, the best one was a 60 inch samsung LED. You use a 5 foot pole with a small basket on the end to scoop balls out of this bin about 3-4 feet behind the counter. The bin has an air blower mixing the balls around, like an open air lottery ball machine.

Some of the balls you draw earn points, anywhere from 1 point to 75 points. Some of them make you loose a turn, some make you loose 5-10 points, some of them give you a free turn. Some are instant winners; cheap toasters, blenders, tool sets, crock pots and the like. Then there are the bonus balls which I didn't find out about til later. You get a bonus ball and the price to draw a ball doubles. The prize also doubles. So the next ball will cost $10 but you can win 2 TVs or prizes if you end up winning. Draw another bonus ball and then it's $20 per ball and 4 TV's. Then $40 and 4 and so on all the way up to $320 per ball.

Soon as he gets through his speedy presentation he offers me a free turn. I get a ball worth 30 points. Now i'm thinking, even if this is legit I only have about ten bucks cash which would probably not be enough to get to 100 points, so I keep it movin. I go look at the rest of the junk in the place, come back and my boy is about $120 in currently paying $40 a ball on this damn carnival game :x He has like 80 points bout to win multiple flat screens. All he keeps thinking is about how he can flip the tv's and make some money blah blah blah. Ends up spending the entire $400 in his pocket and they offer him a voucher to keep his 96 points at $80 per ball and like 8 TV payout until he goes to get more cash. :rofl: He leaves, not feeling played, but feeling like he is going to go back and make a come up off all those damn TVs.

So, obvious scam is obvious right? I go home and do some research and not only is this illegal gambling, but it is rigged illegal gambling. One would assume the odds are much worse than they may seem or something like that. But no, there are no odds, you never win, it's impossible to win. The game is rigged. Nobody will walk out with a single TV let alone 8 :lol: From what I can tell this scam is originally a variation of an illegal carnival game. It became well known for scamming tourists in unregulated casinos in DR and the Caribbean. It's known there as Superkeno or Super Rainbow Jackpot. From what I can gather it hasn't been a scam used in the US for quite some time. I can only find a few instances of this scam in the US and they are all recent and occurred in the same Emergency Liquidation Center event I went to.

Heres some bullet points on the elements of the scheme I was able to piece together from recollection and research after the fact.

- The setting: Liquidation event in a low income area. People with little cash looking for deals on electronics. You come in and it's all crap except for all this new expensive stuff at the gambling booth. I guarantee it was the only booth of interest to anyone there and everyone there at least stopped and looked. Most folks there wouldn't or couldn't afford to play long enough to figure out you can never win. Plus it's not some street corner 3 card monty where you will expect illegal rigging. I really think the entire event is a front for this one booth, gives them cover to even be able to set this up anywhere.

-The set up: The angles of the counter, the pole and the bin don't allow you to reach to the very bottom of the bin. The air is circulating the balls on top but there are balls at the bottom not being circulated and that are unreachable.

-The balls: The numbers on the balls are spaced very far apart, instead of reading 112 it reads 1 1 2. They guy working the counter covers one of these numbers with their thumb. So the number 12 could really be 112 or any number between 120-129. I suspect that every 3 digit ball is a loser and that they are all 3 digit balls. They only way you ever win points or prizes is when the counter guy lets you by covering a digit, showing a winning 2 digit number on the 3 digit ball. This technique is known as "fair-banking" in carnival talk. This way if anyone ever catches them they can stop and the person still won't win. I also think it's rigged in multiple ways for the same reason. Like magnets or weighted balls. You catch em doing one thing and they can stop but still make sure you don't win. It's going to cost you more and more to keep playing to see if they were really rigging it. Plus you think you can win now since they stopped doing what you thought was preventing you from winning. If they depend solely on the skill of the counter guy to know all the balls and combinations they present as well as what all values are worth in points they will eventually make a mistake and they will end up owing someone 5 TVs which I am sure they don't even have. Just empty boxes.

-Misdirection: In hindsight, I rarely got a good look at any of the balls my boy was pulling. The length of the pole kept the ball a good distance away from us. He would call the number out and briefly show it while directing our attention to the chart so we could see what that ball was worth. By the time you look up from the chart he is already throwing the ball back in the bin with the rest. You can't immediately question if he's cheating cause you don't immediately know if the ball is good or bad for you. You're more eager to see what the ball is worth than what the ball actually is. We were like trained dogs, briefly looking at the ball and then following his finger as he pointed to the chart. I imagine either the set up of the numbers on the balls or a magnet that can be turned on/off allows them to keep cheating you if you happen to catch them covering a number and start asking to see the full ball.

-The odds: No odds are posted, since it's rigged there are really no odds, you don't know how many of each numbers are in the bin. Like I said, I think the only way you score points is when the counter guy lets you. By covering numbers they can get you up to 70-80 points pretty quickly giving a false impression of the odds. If I can score 70-80 points in 10 minutes it must not be too hard to score points. They give a false sense of the odds even though they are not explicitly told. Every scam story online is the same, the person gets to 90 points very quickly but can never get those last few points no matter how long they keep playing.

-The cop: Uniformed, off-duty cop was hired to do security. In the carnival variation they always talk about the local cop or security guy being in on it, they escort people who figure out the scam off the premises. Not saying the cop was corrupt but it would have been easy to game him and get him in the right frame of mind. Just tell him they always get a lot of sore losers and people who get angry when they loose a lot of money and that they are hiring him to remove anyone who becomes disruptive or makes a scene. The cop is not gonna believe some low income guy saying the game is rigged over a seemingly legit vendor that is probably paying him pretty well for being there especially if they already prepped him to expect to deal with some sore losers. A similar game which you could never win was busted in New Orleans not too long ago. The undercover investigators in that case remarked on the first day of surveillance that for this to be going on out in the open, there had to be cops involved. Cops were eventually indicted in that case.

-Receipts: There are none of course, no credit accepted either. They do give you a voucher that states your point total and how much you are paying for balls if you want to walk away from the table and come back later. Nowhere on the voucher does it say how much you paid to reach that point total. There is no record whatsoever of how much you are paying these people. Even if you could prove fraud, which I don't even see how you could, there is no way at all to prove how much you were scammed for.

At this point, after thinking on it a couple days, I see no way this crime can be proven. I'd like to find a way to get my boys money back but I doubt that's possible especially since he can't prove how much it was. I know if they catch some heat they will close up shop and just do it in another city with no consequences. I suppose it's good enough just to get em out of my city so no more poor folks get scammed but it'd be nice if these people could be stopped for good. Hope this awares some NTers and their family members.

Cliffs:

-went to Emergency Liquidation Center clearance event for electronics, all they had was junk and a booth where you could illegally gamble for expensive, brand new 60 inches and gaming consoles.

-the gambling game was rigged so no one would ever win. this same game is well known in the Caribbean for scamming tourists at unregulated casinos. a multi-million dollar operation run by the mafia there.

-a cop was in on it

-my boy lost $400

-i'm trying to figure out how I can prove this scam before they flee town.
 
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Do you have pics of this game?

Only read the cliffs
 
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Didn't read the whole article but why would your boy gamble 400 at a liquidation event?
 
Wow, that sounds shady as hell..

Common sense will usually tell you that if it sounds too good to be true, then it probably is...
 
well that sucks, i hope they put a stop to this. i guess the only way to get them out of your town is to call your local news to make a stink about it and they will eventually fold up and ****. since the police might not give no damns
 
Your boy is stupid OP. No way I'm droppin money like that on a gamble. The house never loses
 
got scammed like this on Jamaica ave in NYC, lost 10 and realized what was up and told him nice job on the scam.....
 
It's so easy to make money off greedy people these days. No one wants to work honestly for their stuff anymore.
 
Based on the cliffs...your friend is trying to get his money back from an illegal operation that you all knowingly took part in?
 
Based on the cliffs...your friend is trying to get his money back from an illegal operation that you all knowingly took part in?

This was advertised on the tv and radio as a legit liquidation sale event. None of us knew there was gambling going on til we got there. Even then, the nature of the set up did not make it seem like outright street gambling. This was not some street corner scam, they were set up in a huge space, advertised on various tv and radio stations and had a uniformed cop doing security with his cop car parked right out front so everyone who walked in could see. "Couldn't be anything illegal going on in there" is what folks would think. I just realized how the position of the cop car lent credibility to the event. This just gets colder and colder as I piece all this together.


Didn't read the whole article but why would your boy gamble 400 at a liquidation event?

Read the bullet points at least. It was pretty convincing. It didn't start out as $400, it started at $5 at a time and progressed with many psychological tricks to keep you in it.

For example, they are judging when you might decide to walk away and controlling the balls accordingly. They might let you win an instant prize, a smaller pretty much worthless prize you get to pick on the spot whether you keep playing or not, it makes you keep playing. My boy did get a toaster and a crockpot for his $400. :lol:

Check out how slick they are. My boy had 85 points, he draws and gets the "loose 10 points" ball. He's down to 75 points. They very next ball is 15 points, the guy is like "Look! if you hadn't just lost that 10 points you would have won!" That makes you keep playing. They got their hustle down pat with this game. Coldblooded. :smh:
 
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Your boy is stupid OP. No way I'm droppin money like that on a gamble. The house never loses
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I got a bridge that I can sell your boy Op. He can charge tolls and make back what he spent for it.
 
this reminds me of this claw machine that suckered my friends for many quarters back when we were kids.
 
Not gonna lie, there's been a few instances were having cheap friends saved me money.  I know as soon as they said there's a $5 entrance fee, they would've started walking back to the car
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Wow this was a long read. Are you sure it wasn't you op who got swindled? I mean why all this length explanation if it happened to your boy?
 
my grandma got scammed 2 years ago.

she was coming out of target and some dude approached her asking if there was some sort of place that appraises jewelry or gems.

she responded no, then dude starts talking about how he found these diamonds and he doesnt know what to do with them 
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while they're are talking some guy happens to overhear and says that he actually works for a jeweler and knows a shop nearby that they can have them appraised for.

my grandma is hearing all this and the dude says that they are looking at well in the hundreds of thousands for these stones, the jeweler guy says that all he asks for is 1000.

just to get em checked out, the first guy says that he doesnt have an ID since he's just in the country to work and he for sure doesnt have 1K..

my grandma is a church going lady i mean like her whole life revolves around the bible, its pretty sad, shes always told me things happen because of god and blah..

anyway, she has never helped my mom out even when my step pops lost his job and they were having a hard time putting food on the table.

my mom asked her for 20 bucks one time and she said she didnt have anything, mind you my mom has NEVER asked her for ish..

instead my grandma helps my aunts by letting them use her good credit to buy furniture and open credit cards in her name for them to use in stores of their choice

they have great jobs too btw and always end up skipping on their payments, one day she was telling me that my cousin was a ungrateful kid and all this other ish,

turns out she cosigned on a car for him, and he never even said thank you and the dealership called her to tell her he had skipped on his payment..

she always bad talks my grandpa who passed away a couple years ago calling him an abusive alcoholic but my mom told me he never did anything like that.

he would stop by when i was little look in our fridge and give us money for groceries, we were on welfare living in sec 8 housing, meanwhile grandma owned her own clothing shop.

anyway my grandma took out the 1000 to put up to get them looked at by the jeweler, and they told her to meet up at the same spot at 5pm that day and they gave her the diamonds to hold on to, i guess to make it seem like they wouldnt flake out..

well the time comes and nothing happens, a couple of months pass by and she tells my aunt about it, and my mom tells me the story.

when my mom asked her what she was thinking she said all she was thinking about was helping out my aunt..(she has a great job and even sued her last employer because her boss had a nephew maybe 6 years old that would come into the office on certain days and i guess one day he was playing around or something and my aunt tripped and hurt her back 
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