Killer Mike vs Noname (Capitalism Debate)

Are You An AntiCapitalist

  • Yes. I love socialism

    Votes: 18 78.3%
  • Nah. I’m a capitalist pig

    Votes: 5 21.7%

  • Total voters
    23
If you truly preferred socialism then why are you a capitalist pig? One could assume you prefer capitalism if you countinue to knowingly indulge yourself in it?

Who's paying for your travels? Who's paying for your exit plan? Using capitalism to escape capitalism?
I could go do some extreme ****, but that extreme **** I'm thinking isn't smart, and you know you're wylin being that literal.
So you’re ignoring the debate and going with NoName just because ?
I'm going to read it, but based on his previous actions I already have my answer. AnD no I know that socialism or communism will erase racisms. You could quickly kill racist today or progressively ease out their ideolougies.
 
Always the same counter... ‘why are you here?’

‘why don’t you go live there?’

‘Racist people are everywhere, b’
‘Merica, rah rah, we free here’
‘But in Cambodia, they’ll chop your hand off’
‘You can’t even smoke Mary j in singapore’
:lol::lol:
blah, blah, blah..
I wish I could be as blissfully content and ignorant.
 
I come in PURE ignorance.

Those that are anti-Capitalism (while living in a capitalist society), how do you know you REALLY don't want to live in a capitalist society?

I feel like sometimes it is easier to say, "I can do without" WHILE you are "doing with."

I am legit asking.
Socialism always sounds great coming from people who live in capitalist societies. It’s just ignorance. The system doesn’t determine the treatment of the people .
 
Socialism always sounds great coming from people who live in capitalist societies. It’s just ignorance. The system doesn’t determine the treatment of the people .
Socialism is just the hot new thing to champion the past decade or so.

The perfect example is when anti-captialists were touting communism :rofl: There are still to this day revelations of how corrupt communist Russia was.

You'd think those without would realize what the actual problem is/common denominator.
 
Always the same counter... ‘why are you here?’

‘why don’t you go live there?’

‘Racist people are everywhere, b’
‘Merica, rah rah, we free here’
‘But in Cambodia, they’ll chop your hand off’
‘You can’t even smoke Mary j in singapore’
:lol::lol:
blah, blah, blah..
I wish I could be as blissfully content and ignorant.


Yeah, no one said any of that lol.
 
No name again. She contradicting herself by having links to purchase her music and merch on her Twitter page . How you start a debate with some one then dismiss them as arguing . Everybody by now should know what the real problem in this country is. White supremacy .
 
No name again. She contradicting herself by having links to purchase her music and merch on her Twitter page . How you start a debate with some one then dismiss them as arguing . Everybody by now should know what the real problem in this country is. White supremacy .
She owns here stuff.
 
Apparently black anti capitalists like No Name seem to believe so. As if their racism couldn’t exist under a different economic system.

She strikes me as what we like to call people as smart dumb ******
She can take a trip to Russia right now and see if she's treated any better than the states. I would be a good amount of money that she would not be.
 
Maybe we should start by defining what socialism and communism are, because a lot of people in this thread still don't seem to understand the basic distinction between these two concepts:

Under communism, there is no such thing as private property. All property is communally owned, and each person receives a portion based on what they need. A strong central government—the state—controls all aspects of economic production, and provides citizens with their basic necessities, including food, housing, medical care and education.

By contrast, under socialism, individuals can still own property. But industrial production, or the chief means of generating wealth, is communally owned and managed by a democratically elected government.


Another key difference in socialism versus communism is the means of achieving them. In communism, a violent revolution in which the workers rise up against the middle and upper classes is seen as an inevitable part of achieving a pure communist state. Socialism is a less rigid, more flexible ideology. Its adherents seek change and reform, but insist on making these changes through democratic processes within the existing social and political structure, not overthrowing that structure.


Those that are anti-Capitalism (while living in a capitalist society), how do you know you REALLY don't want to live in a capitalist society?

What we have in the US is a particular brand of capitalism, known as laissez-faire capitalism. Adam Smith, who is often quoted by defenders of American-style capitalism (invisible hand of the market, etc...), had a more nuanced view of the role of government in the economy and trade:

Although Smith saw value in self-interest, he was not so naïve as to believe that individual self-interest always promotes the best interest of society. He recognized the real problems and dangers of unfettered self-interest. For example, he was highly skeptical of the motivations of businessmen. He did not believe that their self-interest naturally promoted the public good, as the following three examples will illustrate.

First, Smith claimed that all corporations and the greater part of corporate law had been passed to keep prices, wages, and profits higher than they would be with free competition (142). Furthermore, these laws were supported by businessmen to increase their profits at the expense of the public.

Second, Smith argued that any time businessmen meet together they are likely to conspire against the public good:

From the prospective of laissez-faire economists, if traders and manufacturers (businessmen) could conduct their business in an environment of unfettered regulation, it would result in an economy that allows competition to work and business to maximize its growth over time. Adam Smith did not believe this. As he saw it, unfettered regulation of business would result in businessmen hijacking the economy to maximize their profits at the expense of society.


In light of Adam Smith's fears coming to fruition when it comes to the motivations of the capitalist class and their impact on the public good (in the US: decrease of life expectancy, decrease of level of educational achievement, neglect of infrastructure maintenance leading to avoidable catastrophes, decrease of the middle class, stagnant wages), why is it surprising that one would prefer to live in a society that understands that sectors such as utilities, education, criminal justice and healthcare should not operate as money-making schemes but as entities that maintain or improve the quality of life of the public?

I don't think Adam Smith would want to live in the US, especially when plenty of socialist (as in, mixed economy) countries have shown that the quality of life is better there.
 
Wanting things in your teens and 20s that society is built to only give you in your 40s and 50s on average is where this discussion should be.
The anti capalist extreme is not to want these materialistic things at all.. which means now you want a society built on African fertility rituals where not everyone in going to get paired off during puberty..
What happens to the least desirable male in such a society... they will build a society for them and them alone to prosper...
In the end this will eventually lead you back to capitalism
 
Apparently black anti capitalists like No Name seem to believe so. As if their racism couldn’t exist under a different economic system.

She strikes me as what we like to call people as smart dumb ******
Anti Capitalist like No Name believe in polygamistic eugenics.. where the will have as many kids for what they’ve deemed the most desirable males.. then use the less desirable males of this society to help raise these kids

You can see this system deeply rooted into the welfare system of today if you look closely enough. Welfare gives you what you need to survive, take care of yourself and your kids..
 
I could go do some extreme ****, but that extreme **** I'm thinking isn't smart, and you know you're wylin being that literal.

Why am I wylin for taking your comments literally lol?

Im not gonna act like i know you, but is it safe to assume you have more shoes than u need? You buy fashionable trousers made in sweat shops. You order doordash and complain about the pricing. Is it extreme to change those behaviors? Im not saying go live on some commune, although if you truly prefered that, why not? But you, WE, actively participate in capitalism on a daily basis when we dont really need to. How much are we willing to give up until its considered too extreme?

I know it may sound like im coming at you lol, but if Im being honest I get disgusted at some of the byproducts of capitalism as well, and still, here we are. Realistically and practically tho, I'm not 100% certain its worth giving up.
 
Why am I wylin for taking your comments literally lol?

Im not gonna act like i know you, but is it safe to assume you have more shoes than u need? You buy fashionable trousers made in sweat shops. You order doordash and complain about the pricing. Is it extreme to change those behaviors? Im not saying go live on some commune, although if you truly prefered that, why not? But you, WE, actively participate in capitalism on a daily basis when we dont really need to. How much are we willing to give up until its considered too extreme?

I know it may sound like im coming at you lol, but if Im being honest I get disgusted at some of the byproducts of capitalism as well, and still, here we are. Realistically and practically tho, I'm not 100% certain its worth giving up.
I pay ain't for that.

The sneakers n stuff is really the only extreme. If things were as simplified as you're making it out then systems such as capitalism wouldn't even exist & everything would be harmonious for everyone. If it came between giving up my stuff or pressing the reset button for everyone I'd choose the latter immediately.
 
Why am I wylin for taking your comments literally lol?

Im not gonna act like i know you, but is it safe to assume you have more shoes than u need? You buy fashionable trousers made in sweat shops. You order doordash and complain about the pricing. Is it extreme to change those behaviors? Im not saying go live on some commune, although if you truly prefered that, why not? But you, WE, actively participate in capitalism on a daily basis when we dont really need to. How much are we willing to give up until its considered too extreme?

I know it may sound like im coming at you lol, but if Im being honest I get disgusted at some of the byproducts of capitalism as well, and still, here we are. Realistically and practically tho, I'm not 100% certain its worth giving up.


I feel like you are conflating economic activity with capitalism.

Societies that don't practice capitalism still have exchanges of goods and services; they still have buyers and sellers, they still have marketplaces, and where there are buyers and sellers, there is always the potential for overconsumption. Now, regardless of the economic system in which we live, we still have to buy what we need/want and sell what we make because very few of us have the capacity to be self-sufficient.

I just don't see the hypocrisy in someone taking part in economic activity (selling/buying) while being opposed to capitalism, especally if we're talking about what we practice in the US. Capitalism subjects every single aspect of life to the whims of the marketplace, and I don't believe all aspects of life should be subjected to market forces.
 
This isn't capitalism. It's crony corporate meritocracy/socialism for those at the top and myth of rugged individualism at the bottom.
Free markets.
Controlled capitalism.
Poor to busy debating labels while the rich pick their pockets generation after generation.
 
I come in PURE ignorance.

Those that are anti-Capitalism (while living in a capitalist society), how do you know you REALLY don't want to live in a capitalist society?

I feel like sometimes it is easier to say, "I can do without" WHILE you are "doing with."

I am legit asking.

Ive lived in countries with much higher taxation, universal healthcare, access to good and free education, free to inexpensive college, etc, etc..

this isn’t it. Sure those societies weren’t perfect, but as someone said, every aspect of our lives are subject to the market/economy. No one bats an eye until the rich can’t stuff their pockets.
Talking to brothers and sisters in Africa, UK, across Europe, we all have our plights, but no one can make sense of why the US, ‘greatest, richest’ country on earth can’t get it right.
 
I’m pretty sure there’s a middle ground to all this that nobody wants to admit. Also, most people don’t even understand the true definitions.
Middle ground is usually the best way for many situations but for whatever reason, we seek to always limit ourselves to this or that whenever it comes to politics, economics and so forth.
 
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I feel like you are conflating economic activity with capitalism.

Thanks for the response earlier.

Do you mind explaining at what point is the line crossed from EA to capitalism?

I have always struggled with distinguishing between the two.

Like blastercombo blastercombo said, many of us don't even know the true definitions and what they look like in practice.

I come in ignorance.


Middle ground is usually the best way for many situations but for whatever reason, we seek to always limit ourselves to this or that whenever it comes to politics, economics and so forth.

#NTExtremes goes WELL beyond the walls of this chatbox.
 
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This is why I feel like USA is a sad sack of trash right now.

Only to combat the economic rise of China does America see fit to rebuild the economy from the "bottom up and the middle out".




 
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