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You are hoping that the current President fails....so that the our nations succeeds.
Just let it marinate for a second.....Really.
Just let it marinate for a second.....Really.
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Originally Posted by abeautifulhaze
Originally Posted by TBONE95860
I'm more patriotic idiotic then than you could ever dream to be.
LOL got em
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Its because he's stuck in the "This is America, there can be NO socialism, and we must fight all who speak negatively of ourpolicies" mindset.
Democratic success is seen as failure to Republicans and vice versa.
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Once again.... you clearly don't understand this simple concept.......
Why would I want Obama's policies to succeed?
His policies ARE NOT for the greater good of AMERICA in my opinion.
His policies that YOU want to succeed will make America WORSE (in my opinion)
So you want ME to SUPPORT AMERICA'S FAILURE?????
Damn fam...... I didn't know you wanted America to fail.
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Genius....we are in a deep recession....The stimulus is going to pass whether you like it or not...in one form or another slightly modified form....for you towish that it FAILS....as in it does not work....is completely and utterly stupid!
I'm not your "fam" BTW.
I'm not your "fam" BTW.
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Please rationally explain how universal health care is a NEGATIVE thing?
How putting a stop to human rights violations in Guantanamo is a NEGATIVE thing?
How gun control is a NEGATIVE thing?
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does anybody else get the sense that he's one of those people that believes if he talks louder than you it means that he's right &you're wrong.
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The Tbone's of the world don't deal with rationale.
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I'm not "wishing it fails". Who said I was?
Do I wish he didn't get it passed? Yes.......
But I don't have to WISH anything....... in my opinion it WILL fail.
The economic principles behind it in my opinion will not stimulate the economy. In my opinion they simply will-not-work.
If for some reason they happen TO work..... what I'm going to be mad they work???
NO... of COURSE NOT.
I want things to be cheaper..... I want the economy to be doing well..... I want to be able to get a JOB...... I want the market to be doing well so my familyis well off
Of course I want all that stuff.....
BUT do I think Obama's plan is going to do that? NO
SO that's why I'm opposed to it.
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hmm. you make it seem as if you would rather everything Obama tries to do fails so that the republicans can swoop in & save the day & getall of the glory for everything.Originally Posted by TBONE95860
I'm not "wishing it fails". Who said I was?
Do I wish he didn't get it passed? Yes.......
But I don't have to WISH anything....... in my opinion it WILL fail.
The economic principles behind it in my opinion will not stimulate the economy. In my opinion they simply will-not-work.
If for some reason they happen TO work..... what I'm going to be mad they work???
NO... of COURSE NOT.
I want things to be cheaper..... I want the economy to be doing well..... I want to be able to get a JOB...... I want the market to be doing well so my family is well off
Of course I want all that stuff.....
BUT do I think Obama's plan is going to do that? NO
SO that's why I'm opposed to it.
Now my question to you is what if Obama's policies do stimulate the economy, wouldnt that mean you would have to rethink some of your views on the economicissues?
also could you answer these:
Please rationally explain how universal health care is a NEGATIVE thing?
How putting a stop to human rights violations in Guantanamo is a NEGATIVE thing?
How gun control is a NEGATIVE thing?
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Short simple answers since I don't feel like writing huge paragraphs and they have google for a reason if you want to do someresearch on conservative views on issues........
1. Universal Health Care = quality of health care will be worse.... lines will be way longer.... it'll cost the government way too much money.... andit'll give the government too much power
2. Ending Guantanamo = where will they go? Already MANY of them have gone back after being released to being terrorists..... Guantanamo is useful for gatheringintelligence information.... not having places like Guantanamo could lead to future attacks on America
3. Gun Control = obviously there should be some gun control but not the type that liberals, really liberal people like Obama would want..... there is a 2ndAmendment for a reason & we should be able to have our guns..... all these rules, regulations, and huge background check & hoops to jump through isnon-sense
For further in-depth answers beyond these brief/quick answers where I may have left out information.... please visit a friendly conservative website
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AHHHH the never Ending Conversation....
Racism will never end...People will Always have Hate in there heart...
Its a part of life....
never ending cycle
Racism will never end...People will Always have Hate in there heart...
Its a part of life....
never ending cycle
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so sad bud so true
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So if you want all of that stuff...why would you make a bombastic and idiotic statement like "I hope Obama fails". Why wouldn't you say that youdisagree with your President's stimulus proposal and you have doubt on its effectiveness but you hope that it succeeds. That what an intelligent,patriotic, unprejudiced person would say...but your head is so full of vitriol, irresponsible rhetoric and prejudice that you would make a statement that" I hope Obama FAILS" and attempt to defend it, while only making yourself look stupider in the process.
If he fails....none of those things that you wish for are going to happen Tbone...step into reality with the rest of the world.
If he fails....none of those things that you wish for are going to happen Tbone...step into reality with the rest of the world.
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would you rather they relax gun control laws so that it becomes incredibly easy for ANYBODY to buy a gun legally? You would rather that any &every body be allowed to purchase a firearm?
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If they do stimulate the economy, when that day comes, I'd like to know how & why.... and then we could all learn for thefuture on what worked & didn't work.Originally Posted by ericberry14
hmm. you make it seem as if you would rather everything Obama tries to do fails so that the republicans can swoop in & save the day & get all of the glory for everything.Originally Posted by TBONE95860
I'm not "wishing it fails". Who said I was?
Do I wish he didn't get it passed? Yes.......
But I don't have to WISH anything....... in my opinion it WILL fail.
The economic principles behind it in my opinion will not stimulate the economy. In my opinion they simply will-not-work.
If for some reason they happen TO work..... what I'm going to be mad they work???
NO... of COURSE NOT.
I want things to be cheaper..... I want the economy to be doing well..... I want to be able to get a JOB...... I want the market to be doing well so my family is well off
Of course I want all that stuff.....
BUT do I think Obama's plan is going to do that? NO
SO that's why I'm opposed to it.
Now my question to you is what if Obama's policies do stimulate the economy, wouldnt that mean you would have to rethink some of your views on the economic issues?
You don't understand the point though.....
Why would I support things I don't agree with???
Did I expect YOU and the other LIBERALS in this thread to AGREE/SUPPORT Bush's policies.... NO.
I didn't see you guys supporting the Iraq war. I don't see you guys supporting Guantanamo Bay. Etc etc etc.
I don't believe in gay marriage, I don't believe in abortion, Etc etc etc
Why would I want these things to SUCCEED just because Obama becomes President???
It makes absolutely 0 since no matter what side of the spectrum you're on. You know what I mean?
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WOW....
You don't even have a mind of your own...who says stuff like that?
"For a more in depth answer...please visit a friendly liberal website"
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ok but the thing is you should want them to succeed, because if they do succeed it will help all of america. So if Obama's policies do indeedsucced then it will also benefit you, so i dont understand why you would want it to fail. That is like saying you want this recession to go on longer & bemuch worse. I can understand the fact that you dont agree with what he is doing, but you should want them to succeed nonetheless because it will help you if itdoes succeed. Its like you're hoping for failure just because he's a democrat & you're a republicanOriginally Posted by TBONE95860
If they do stimulate the economy, when that day comes, I'd like to know how & why.... and then we could all learn for the future on what worked & didn't work.Originally Posted by ericberry14
hmm. you make it seem as if you would rather everything Obama tries to do fails so that the republicans can swoop in & save the day & get all of the glory for everything.Originally Posted by TBONE95860
I'm not "wishing it fails". Who said I was?
Do I wish he didn't get it passed? Yes.......
But I don't have to WISH anything....... in my opinion it WILL fail.
The economic principles behind it in my opinion will not stimulate the economy. In my opinion they simply will-not-work.
If for some reason they happen TO work..... what I'm going to be mad they work???
NO... of COURSE NOT.
I want things to be cheaper..... I want the economy to be doing well..... I want to be able to get a JOB...... I want the market to be doing well so my family is well off
Of course I want all that stuff.....
BUT do I think Obama's plan is going to do that? NO
SO that's why I'm opposed to it.
Now my question to you is what if Obama's policies do stimulate the economy, wouldnt that mean you would have to rethink some of your views on the economic issues?
You don't understand the point though.....
Why would I support things I don't agree with???
Did I expect YOU and the other LIBERALS in this thread to AGREE/SUPPORT Bush's policies.... NO.
I didn't see you guys supporting the Iraq war. I don't see you guys supporting Guantanamo Bay. Etc etc etc.
I don't believe in gay marriage, I don't believe in abortion, Etc etc etc
Why would I want these things to SUCCEED just because Obama becomes President???
It makes absolutely 0 since no matter what side of the spectrum you're on. You know what I mean?
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it's funny when these threads come up time and time again...does anything really change as a result? no. some things we (as a country, race, etc.) willFAIL at and others we will succeed in but wasting time analyzing the very habits of which the foundation of this country rests upon is really of noconsequence. racism has been around since(before) the first settlers came over here, it's unfortunate that it is that way but as generation aftergeneration comes in things do change. most for the better but some for the worse. it is what it is. so how about each one of us an individual makes aconscience effort on a daily basis to be a little bit better than we were the day before. see how that turns out. just a thought.
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1. All of these negatives that you listed have been proven false by a plethora of other modern countries. We are the only industrialized nation inthe world without a universal health care system and its a travesty. It shows in our infant mortality rates and in our average life span. People should nothave to choose between eating for a week and getting the pills they need to stay alive. It is not right. It is every humans inalienable right to life, and bydenying care to someone because they have no insurance you are stripping them of that right. How in the world is giving the government this type of power a badthing? It makes no sense. The government already controls the school systems and other basic needs of the people, but health care is left out because it wouldbe giving the government too much power? Please.
2. No, not many. Maybe one or two, but not many. Having places like Guantanamo are exactly the reason that people would WANT to attack us. Grabbing people fromtheir homes and sending them to an inhumane prison thousands of miles away for four years would anger anyone. We have created more terrorists by keepingGuantanamo opened than we have stopped.
3. There need to be more hoops because not everyone needs to have a gun/stash of guns in their home. It is completely unnecessary. Yes, we do have secondamendment rights, but there is no need for someone to have an AK-47 in their closet, or a shotgun, or anything for that matter.
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T-bone.. I can see the point you are trying to make, but speaking of illegal immigration, if it cost the country so much, don't you think a system tocreate working permits for illegal aliens would helpful?, as they would be required to pay taxes and it can only result in more revenue for the country. Thefact of the matter is, there is little the government can do in terms of illegal immigrants in the country, then why not just create a system that would bringthese people out of the shadows, if not to help families pursue the same dream we all are, then to help the economy in this time of crisis.
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double post..
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See that's the whole thing.....
People see someone like me or Rush say the words "we hope he fails" and are like
But if you actually understand the CONTEXT if what he said (he said it as part of a whole monologue of things just like I've laid out) or I say..... thenit makes sense considering Conservatives and Liberals think TOTALLY differently.
But the MEDIA wants Rush to look like such a terrible person & paint him as something really bad
I'm not "attempting to defend it"
I still hope he fails...... why would I want him to pass all of HIS BELIEFS..... why would I want him to pass things like legalize gay marriage, closeGuantanamo, put in place certain gun control measures, waste $ on global warming when I don't think it's real, potentially pass measures to makemillions of illegal immigrants citizens when they didn't wait in line like all of the people who are doing it the right way......... etc etc etc
He dang well better fail in all that stuff......... if he doesn't, I'll be sorely disappointed
But the beautiful thing is that in our country we are a DEMOCRACY where Republicans and Democrats constantly switch places.
Some of you might not know that AFTER Bill Clinton got elected... the economy wasn't doing so hot.... the Democratic Party image was suffering..... and inthe 1st congressional elections AFTER he was in office the REPUBLICANS won a HUGE amount of seats in thesenate and in the house.
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i usually dont get into these political debates because ive almost punched @*+#%* out in college being a political science major. but this wholesecond amendment thing is BS and you know it. that was written in a time of wars happening on american soil and was intended to insure people the right toprotect themselves with a standing malitia. and even if the day comes that some nation actually brings in troops to invade america(which it wont) those samegun toting americans would prolly *!%$ themselves and hide. the number of those in the military vs those who are plain old civilians who like guns is tooverwhelming to even compare. the whole problem with basing everything on the constitution at face value is that its completely out of context unless you viewit in todays circumstance. im pretty sure the founding fathers never invisioned a world where a 12 year old could buy a tech nine for 100 bucks on the streets.and that whole if guns are illegal only criminals would have guns is BS as well since that wouldnt be a problem if people in general weren't so gun crazyin the first place and produce MILLIONS of guns. i own a firearm but the idea of having an ar15 or ak47 just cause is moronic.
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Well in reality.... our government right now is doing practically nothing.... Republicans AND Democrats in terms of illegalimmigration.
We need serious immigration reform.
The measures and right way to go about it I think should be up for debate and there are definitely things we could potentially agree on or disagree on......but either way I'd like for SOMETHING to be done.