Let’s be real about racism

[novaballer]

racism is and will be around for many years to come. if their isnt any racism now a days the president wouldnt have the top sercurity and death threats morethen any other the presidents combine.

 

[tbone95860]

Originally Posted by shatterkneesinc

Originally Posted by CallHimAR

Originally Posted by lakersmets49ers

one thing i disagree with about obama is that tax increases for those who are making over $250k. i think its unfair to those who put the time and work in to do something good with their lifes, and its unfair to all the brain surgeons and other people who are making over $250k that there being punished because of how much they make.

But it only makes sense. If you make more you should be taxed more. Give back to the government that gave you the opportunity to do this, and in turn give someone else the chance to do something great with their lives when its redistributed in financial aid, to schools, and so forth.

I almost vomited

I just noticed......

DUDE REALLY SAID THAT????

Wooooooowwwwww!

Pretty sure THE INDIVIDUAL PEOPLE are the ones who make it for themselves in this country.

Originally Posted by Ryda421

Canada is better off. United Kingdom is better, most of Europe is better. it always trips me out how cops in Britain do not carry guns

Get out of here. No they aren't.

 

[coogi sweaters]

universal health care is a horrible idea because it won"t work in America. Maybe if we were a different country. Can you imagine OUR Government trying torun something like this?

 

[ryda421]

Originally Posted by TBONE95860

Originally Posted by shatterkneesinc

Originally Posted by CallHimAR

Originally Posted by lakersmets49ers

one thing i disagree with about obama is that tax increases for those who are making over $250k. i think its unfair to those who put the time and work in to do something good with their lifes, and its unfair to all the brain surgeons and other people who are making over $250k that there being punished because of how much they make.

But it only makes sense. If you make more you should be taxed more. Give back to the government that gave you the opportunity to do this, and in turn give someone else the chance to do something great with their lives when its redistributed in financial aid, to schools, and so forth.

I almost vomited

I just noticed......

DUDE REALLY SAID THAT????

Wooooooowwwwww!

Pretty sure THE INDIVIDUAL PEOPLE are the ones who make it for themselves in this country.

Originally Posted by Ryda421

Canada is better off. United Kingdom is better, most of Europe is better. it always trips me out how cops in Britain do not carry guns

Get out of here. No they aren't.

well at least they can go to the doctor without being asking "how are you paying for this?" if that is not better off than being put onhold because your credit is being checked, then what is really better ? I would trade a lot of things in life to be more healthier without $ and that is whatuniversal health care offers.

 

[tbone95860]

Originally Posted by rck2sactown

Originally Posted by TBONE95860

I hope Obama fails too.

And it has nothing to do with racism or wanting the country to fail.

I just don't want him to pass things like national health care, shut down Guantanamo, letting the borders be open, passing that terrible stimulus, raising taxes (especially on the rich), putting in place gun control laws that are way too extreme, and the list goes on and on and on....

^I (just like Rush) want all of those things to FAIL..... which was Rush's point..... which is my point.

So in that case, I hope Obama fails.

True, Rush could have meant that; but the majority of the people (myself included) probably read it like "!!% why would you say that?" and not realize that he meant he didn't want Obama's plan to fail, not a successful Presidency.

There's no "could have" about it........ that's 100% exactly what he meant. I've heard him say it like 5times now.
And the average person just listens to the out of context comments that the media takes because they are liberal and hate Rush..... and make it seem a certainway.
Don't by the liberal media my friend. They have their own mission, and it's to destroy Conservatism.

Originally Posted by HyphySole

Originally Posted by TBONE95860

Also if you raise taxes on the rich...... they are going to have less money to spend and want to spend less money...... meaning less money they spend INTO the economy.... making it worse. In addition, if they have less money that means less money they can PAY to their employees.... meaning they have to FIRE employees.... and unemployment increases.

Never thought of that, pretty good point

Thanks.
But it's because Conservative leaders are SLACKING that you don't hear things put like this more often. And the fact that the media is owned byliberals.

Trust me..... if we get a TRUE leader........ that can EXPLAIN things somewhere close to how Obama does..... (McCain was terrible at it)

Republicans will be tough to beat (of course a lot of you won't believe that.... but a lot of you would have never imagined Bush would won once let alonetwice, and he wasn't even that good of a speaker)

Originally Posted by rck2sactown

PS i lived in Canada (proud American now) for awhile and the whole health care thing absolutely sucked.

Exactly. Thank you.

Originally Posted by Coogi Sweaters

universal health care is a horrible idea because it won"t work in America. Maybe if we were a different country. Can you imagine OUR Government trying to run something like this?

Exactlyyyyy!

Thank you.

 

[dmbrhs]

NT's definition of racism is so incredibly skewed it's impossible to have a legitimate discussion about it. That's really all I can say.

 

[harlemtothebronx]

Originally Posted by the north west

lol at people who believe trickle down economics

 

[gordon gekko 979]

1.

at the fact blacks are crying about racism, blacks are just as racistas any other group, get off your high horses

2. I despise this taxing the rich more than the middle class. it's unheard of. If you truly want to make things event, it should be the same tax rateacross all incomes
3.taxing wealthy more so we can give back to the middle/lower class, ****. so i'm in school busting my +$@ to get into a good college, and have a good job,i should pay for the 70%+ of lazy students in my class because its the fair thing? how about no. why should i even work hard, if most of earnings will be takenaway and given to someone who didn't work for my money? THIS IS MADNESS.. it's not my fault, nor problem if you are poor.

4.perfect analogy; i work hard in HS and get a 4.0 gpa, sarah is somewhat lazy and doesnt try that much and has a 3.0. i should give her .5 of my gpa to makeit fair. hmm
5.tbone i see you fam, slaying down the extreme liberals left and right

 

[tbone95860]

Originally Posted by Gordon Gekko 979

1.

at the fact blacks are crying about racism, blacks are just as racist as any other group, get off your high horses

2. I despise this taxing the rich more than the middle class. it's unheard of. If you truly want to make things event, it should be the same tax rate across all incomes
3.taxing wealthy more so we can give back to the middle/lower class, ****. so i'm in school busting my +$@ to get into a good college, and have a good job, i should pay for the 70%+ of lazy students in my class because its the fair thing? how about no. why should i even work hard, if most of earnings will be taken away and given to someone who didn't work for my money? THIS IS MADNESS.. it's not my fault, nor problem if you are poor.

4.perfect analogy; i work hard in HS and get a 4.0 gpa, sarah is somewhat lazy and doesnt try that much and has a 3.0. i should give her .5 of my gpa to make it fair. hmm
5.tbone i see you fam, slaying down the extreme liberals left and right

Welcome to the party, feel free to throw some support to me in some of these threads. Me, Fede, and a select other few hold it downon NT

I agree with you.... it really is mind boggling how some people in our country demonize making a lot of money or being rich...... it's truly un-American
But taxing the rich in this environment will be a decision Obama regrets.....


Video for Abeautifulhaze about the "I hope he fails" comment....

A good point is brought up that I haven't even really touched on..... what about ALL the liberals who wanted Bush to fail fail fail & the war tofail?????

 

[southzeztpdot]

Originally Posted by TBONE95860

Originally Posted by Gordon Gekko 979

1.

at the fact blacks are crying about racism, blacks are just as racist as any other group, get off your high horses

2. I despise this taxing the rich more than the middle class. it's unheard of. If you truly want to make things event, it should be the same tax rate across all incomes
3.taxing wealthy more so we can give back to the middle/lower class, ****. so i'm in school busting my +$@ to get into a good college, and have a good job, i should pay for the 70%+ of lazy students in my class because its the fair thing? how about no. why should i even work hard, if most of earnings will be taken away and given to someone who didn't work for my money? THIS IS MADNESS.. it's not my fault, nor problem if you are poor.

4.perfect analogy; i work hard in HS and get a 4.0 gpa, sarah is somewhat lazy and doesnt try that much and has a 3.0. i should give her .5 of my gpa to make it fair. hmm
5.tbone i see you fam, slaying down the extreme liberals left and right

Welcome to the party, feel free to throw some support to me in some of these threads. Me, Fede, and a select other few hold it down on NT

I agree with you.... it really is mind boggling how some people in our country demonize making a lot of money or being rich...... it's truly un-American
But taxing the rich in this environment will be a decision Obama regrets.....


Video for Abeautifulhaze about the "I hope he fails" comment....

A good point is brought up that I haven't even really touched on..... what about ALL the liberals who wanted Bush to fail fail fail & the war to fail?????

http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/e/16711680/wshhsgB0Lb11Xt854a7n

You bring concrete evidence of the amount of people RIGHT after Bush's election in 2000 for him to fail. You can not believe that there are asmuch or more people who wanted to fail at this stage of his presidency as Obama.

 

[kash55]

Why do Americans care so much about the word "patriotic"?

 

[erascism]

The Cism, eh?

 

[drock2010]

Originally Posted by Mr Whomp Whomp

racism isn't going anywhere anytime soon

yeah so we might as well deal with it

you can't change the way people think

 

[Betonblck]

So much misinformation in this thread. I would suggest reading a book on accounting or taxation before even trying to perpetuate the myth that higher"taxes" on rich will cause them to cut jobs. Usually people who know little about taxes speak in absolute terms like this. In addition they usuallydon't know the difference between income taxes and payroll and sales taxes and the ways in which they are accounted for in our tax system.

Anyways, the rich benefit more from the taxes that they pay.

Who is benefitting the most from tax dollars being used to bailout the banks? The rich

Who has the most property and wealth to lose in a Great Depression or through theft? The rich

Who is committing suicide because they lost money in investments and might have to live like a regular person and maybe even drive their own car? The rich

NEW YORK, June 26 -- Warren E. Buffett was his usual folksy self Tuesday night at a fundraiser for Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) as he slammed a system that allows the very rich to pay taxes at a lower rate than the middle class.

Buffett cited himself, the third-richest person in the world, as an example. Last year, Buffett said, he was taxed at 17.7 percent on his taxable income of more than $46 million. His receptionist was taxed at about 30 percent

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/06/27/AR2007062700097.html

So my advice, go to school, read some books on accounting and taxation. Also, I find it difficult to believe that any educated person would compare themselfto Rush Limbaugh.

 

[guppetto]

Originally Posted by TBONE95860

Originally Posted by Guppetto

See I have one real major problem with the line of thinking you've presented; We've see it's results for the past 12 years in Congress and the past 8 years in the White House and these conservative ideas have been a complete failure on all fronts. They've led us to the brink of another Depression in the Areas of War, Housing, Jobs, Education, and Healthcare. Explain how the fruits of these ideas have been good for America and how they're helping us today.

That's simply not true.
It's way way more complicated then that.
And if you think it's simply 100% because of conservative ideas...... you will be rudely awaken by the next 4 years.

Originally Posted by Fantastic4our

Originally Posted by TBONE95860

1. Universal Health Care = quality of health care will be worse.... lines will be way longer.... it'll cost the government way too much money.... and it'll give the government too much power

explain please (underlined).

Government isn't what made this country what it is today.
People are the reason America is the greatest nation in the world.
The type of government, Democracy, has give then individual people of our nation the opportunity to make it so great.
Also if you want to count on government for everything you will be sorely disappointed.

Oh and at the Fox News jabs..........

I could say the same thing about ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC, NY Times, Huffington Post, etc etc etc

See your argument is pretty weak here. You say the fundamentals behind Obama's ideas are dangerous but then you just dismiss the past 12 years of the GOPled congress by saying it's bigger than that. The fundamentals of their leadership shaped their decision making for the past 12 years and their leadershipcombined with GWB cowboy politics have placed us in the exact situation we're in. Give us some examples of how the conservative ideas you're defendinghave made a better America. Universal health care probably won't be that great, because it brings the quality of care to the center instead of the top, butis some treatment better than no treatment? The individual talking points you're posting are a distraction from the very real fact that the conservativeideas you're promoting have been tested and they have failed America. If I'm wrong, please share with us how they have placed America into thiswonderful place we're in Now.

Oh yeah, I noticed how you slid inthat 100% stat, but i never stated that the Conservative principles you're defending were the sole reason we are in the mess we are in, but they are thefundamentals of the mess that has been created over the past 12 years. Dude, some of us have taken political science and statistics also, so step your game upwith these little backdoor attemps to prop up your argument. It's cool that we America through a different lense, but your argement is sounding like Obama(the socialist) bad and Conservative ideas (Tested for the past 12 years with dubious results at best) good.

 

[lilstarz07]

question: if a bunch of talibob mother +@#*$!* didnt run some planes into our buildings, does any of this economic trouble happen?

answer: probably not

people seem to forget that at the beginning of his presidency, Bush was forced to handle a situation that was relatively unprecedented ... and now all of asudden the GOP is in the wrong for 12 years lol ... dude may have handled the response to the 9/11 attacks poorly, but lets not forget he had the support ofdamn near EVERYONE when he first went to war ... so what did he really do, stay at war too long? the same war that obama is adding troops to and passing it offas "withdrawing troops" because the missions will be deemed "non-violent" ... lmao ...

I also invite everyone to educate themselves a tad, here are some links with a simple quick search ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_1980s_recession

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronald_Reagan

 

[seasoned vet]

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[callhimar]

universal health care is a horrible idea because it won"t work in America. Maybe if we were a different country. Can you imagine OUR Government trying to run something like this?

So wait, America, the greatest country in the world does not have the ability to provide all its citizens with free and efficient health care? Howcan you laugh at your governments ability to do something great and then call yourself patriotic. Ridiculous.

question: if a bunch of talibob mother +@#*$!* didnt run some planes into our buildings, does any of this economic trouble happen?

answer: probably not (1)

people seem to forget that at the beginning of his presidency, Bush was forced to handle a situation that was relatively unprecedented ... and now all of a sudden the GOP is in the wrong for 12 years lol ... dude may have handled the response to the 9/11 attacks poorly, but lets not forget he had the support of damn near EVERYONE when he first went to war (2)... so what did he really do, stay at war too long? the same war that obama is adding troops to and passing it off as "withdrawing troops" because the missions will be deemed "non-violent" ... lmao ...(3)
(1) First off, your initial statement is completely off base. This economic crisis has nothing to do with what happened on 9/11, but keep blamingall your problems on the terrorists, I'm surprised the Bush administration didn't run with this argument from the start of this crisis.

(2) The support he had is irrelevant. Of course he's going to have support right after an attack, thats what happens when a country is vulnerable. Theyrally around the President, who is their leader.

(3) Actually he took the troops from the war that made sense, and sent them to Iraq which was a baseless war that has killed thousands of Americans and Iraqis.Do not confuse the Iraq War with the War on Terror, because quite frankly, Iraq had nothing to do with terrorism until we destroyed their infrastructure.

Originally Posted by Ryda421

Canada is better off. United Kingdom is better, most of Europe is better. it always trips me out how cops in Britain do not carry guns

Get out of here. No they aren't.
As much as Conservatives like to ignore facts, it is shown in infant mortality rate and average life span. Those are two undeniable facts. InAmerica it is clear that our health care system just doesn't match up with those in Europe and Canada.

 

[beallsfinest]

Racism isn't going anywhere- ignorance is just as high as its ever been.

 

[lilstarz07]

Originally Posted by CallHimAR

So wait, America, the greatest country in the world does not have the ability to provide all its citizens with free and efficient health care? How can you laugh at your governments ability to do something great and then call yourself patriotic. Ridiculous.

(1) First off, your initial statement is completely off base. This economic crisis has nothing to do with what happened on 9/11, but keep blaming all your problems on the terrorists, I'm surprised the Bush administration didn't run with this argument from the start of this crisis.

(2) The support he had is irrelevant. Of course he's going to have support right after an attack, thats what happens when a country is vulnerable. They rally around the President, who is their leader.

(3) Actually he took the troops from the war that made sense, and sent them to Iraq which was a baseless war that has killed thousands of Americans and Iraqis. Do not confuse the Iraq War with the War on Terror, because quite frankly, Iraq had nothing to do with terrorism until we destroyed their infrastructure.

As much as Conservatives like to ignore facts, it is shown in infant mortality rate and average life span. Those are two undeniable facts. In America it is clear that our health care system just doesn't match up with those in Europe and Canada.

(1) first off, this is not "the governments ability to provide efficient and free healthcare" ... its the ability of its citizens tofund healthcare that will be run by the government who will dictate how you should be taken care of ...

(2) "the economic crisis has nothing to do with 9/11" ... ... ... ...

... ... ... ... so what should we have done? i guess you were in the extreme minority on 9/12/01 that wanted to just let it happen? ... weshouldnt have upped our defenses after we got attacked huh? we shouldnt have tried to do something to catch whoever, even if it was for the morale of ourcountry ...

(3)

the support is irrelevant huh man ... do you have any clue? at all?

(4) keep telling yourself that iraq had nothing at all to do with anything involving terrorists ...

 

[mfdoom]

Originally Posted by LilStarZ07

Originally Posted by CallHimAR

So wait, America, the greatest country in the world does not have the ability to provide all its citizens with free and efficient health care? How can you laugh at your governments ability to do something great and then call yourself patriotic. Ridiculous.

(1) First off, your initial statement is completely off base. This economic crisis has nothing to do with what happened on 9/11, but keep blaming all your problems on the terrorists, I'm surprised the Bush administration didn't run with this argument from the start of this crisis.

(2) The support he had is irrelevant. Of course he's going to have support right after an attack, thats what happens when a country is vulnerable. They rally around the President, who is their leader.

(3) Actually he took the troops from the war that made sense, and sent them to Iraq which was a baseless war that has killed thousands of Americans and Iraqis. Do not confuse the Iraq War with the War on Terror, because quite frankly, Iraq had nothing to do with terrorism until we destroyed their infrastructure.

As much as Conservatives like to ignore facts, it is shown in infant mortality rate and average life span. Those are two undeniable facts. In America it is clear that our health care system just doesn't match up with those in Europe and Canada.

(1) first off, this is not "the governments ability to provide efficient and free healthcare" ... its the ability of its citizens to fund healthcare that will be run by the government who will dictate how you should be taken care of ...

(2) "the economic crisis has nothing to do with 9/11" ... ... ... ...

... ... ... ... so what should we have done? i guess you were in the extreme minority on 9/12/01 that wanted to just let it happen? ... we shouldnt have upped our defenses after we got attacked huh? we shouldnt have tried to do something to catch whoever, even if it was for the morale of our country ...

(3)

the support is irrelevant huh man ... do you have any clue? at all?

(4) keep telling yourself that iraq had nothing at all to do with anything involving terrorists ...

^ i agree with lilstar

 

[callhimar]

Originally Posted by LilStarZ07

Originally Posted by CallHimAR

So wait, America, the greatest country in the world does not have the ability to provide all its citizens with free and efficient health care? How can you laugh at your governments ability to do something great and then call yourself patriotic. Ridiculous.

(1) First off, your initial statement is completely off base. This economic crisis has nothing to do with what happened on 9/11, but keep blaming all your problems on the terrorists, I'm surprised the Bush administration didn't run with this argument from the start of this crisis.

(2) The support he had is irrelevant. Of course he's going to have support right after an attack, thats what happens when a country is vulnerable. They rally around the President, who is their leader.

(3) Actually he took the troops from the war that made sense, and sent them to Iraq which was a baseless war that has killed thousands of Americans and Iraqis. Do not confuse the Iraq War with the War on Terror, because quite frankly, Iraq had nothing to do with terrorism until we destroyed their infrastructure.

As much as Conservatives like to ignore facts, it is shown in infant mortality rate and average life span. Those are two undeniable facts. In America it is clear that our health care system just doesn't match up with those in Europe and Canada.

(1) first off, this is not "the governments ability to provide efficient and free healthcare" ... its the ability of its citizens to fund healthcare that will be run by the government who will dictate how you should be taken care of ...

(2) "the economic crisis has nothing to do with 9/11" ... ... ... ...

... ... ... ... so what should we have done? i guess you were in the extreme minority on 9/12/01 that wanted to just let it happen? ... we shouldnt have upped our defenses after we got attacked huh? we shouldnt have tried to do something to catch whoever, even if it was for the morale of our country ...

(3)

the support is irrelevant huh man ... do you have any clue? at all?

(4) keep telling yourself that iraq had nothing at all to do with anything involving terrorists ...

(1) And why can't our government be trusted to look out for the best interests of its people? Why would they want to deny us care? I justdon't understand this logic.

(2) What you said isn't even relevant to the statement I made. Also, if you actual read, I said that "he took troops from the war that made sense andput them in Iraq" so obviously I think finding Osama Bin Laden is of extreme importance. Raising our defenses didn't cause this crisis, the housingbubble going bust is what caused this crisis.

(3) Americans were at a very vulnerable state at that time. Clearly they are going to rally around the flag, just as past generations have. However, to haveall of that support go down the drain so quickly is unprecedented. Obiously you're just trying to get laughs because you resort to personal attacks.

(4) Well they sure didn't have anything to do with Al-Qaeda. You clearly are very ignorant on this topic, but you should definitely read up on the subject.

 

[parada45]

Racism will always be around

 

[lilstarz07]

Originally Posted by CallHimAR

(1) And why can't our government be trusted to look out for the best interests of its people? Why would they want to deny us care? I just don't understand this logic.

(2) What you said isn't even relevant to the statement I made. Also, if you actual read, I said that "he took troops from the war that made sense and put them in Iraq" so obviously I think finding Osama Bin Laden is of extreme importance. Raising our defenses didn't cause this crisis, the housing bubble going bust is what caused this crisis.

(3) Americans were at a very vulnerable state at that time. Clearly they are going to rally around the flag, just as past generations have. However, to have all of that support go down the drain so quickly is unprecedented. Obiously you're just trying to get laughs because you resort to personal attacks.

(4) Well they sure didn't have anything to do with Al-Qaeda. You clearly are very ignorant on this topic, but you should definitely read up on the subject.

(1) are you serious? you are telling me that the government is looking out for the best interests of its people with this health care plan? sorry,but its only looking out for those people who choose not to pay fpr health care or who cant afford it (who get care anyways) ... and guess what, ill bechoosing not to pay for healthcare if this %#%# happens ... i mean yeah ill be taxed and have to pay for everyone elses care, but it will be faaaaaaaaar lessthan what im paying now every month ... cuz i mean even you say this is gonna be sooooooo great and the level of care will be soooooo good, why wouldnt someoneditch their current care for "free" care?

(2) so your etelling me the spending on the war didnt have a negative impact on the economy? the "housing bubble going bust" lol what? and thathousing bubble was caused by 12 years of the GOP, right?

(3) We were at a very vulnerable state 2 years later when we invaded? really?

(4) al-qaeda? who brought up them? i think saddam was even a little quasi evil ... semi evil ... the diet coke of evil ...

 

[daytona 5000]

Are Racism and Institutionalized Bias the same thing?
hmmmmm.....