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Projecting the Lakers’ rotation, depth chart and positional battles: Version 1.0
For most NBA teams, these are the dog days of the offseason. But for the Lakers, among a handful of teams in pursuit of the star players available on the trade market, their offseason is far from settled — potentially even dragging into training camp.
The franchise is continuing to pursue avenues to substantially improve the roster, most notably in the form of trading Russell Westbrook for a better third star (Kyrie Irving) or stronger depth (Myles Turner and Buddy Hield). But those discussions are partly beholden to Kevin Durant’s future in Brooklyn, which might be resolved within the next two months (training camps start in late September).
As things stand, the Lakers have 14 players under contract, which is the likely number they will carry into next season. The Lakers have recently preferred the flexibility of leaving a roster spot open in case they want to sign a player out of the G League, for flexibility in trades, and for the January/February buyout market. They also have two players on two-way contracts: Cole Swider and Scotty Pippen Jr.
The Lakers’ depth chart is currently unclear. James and Davis are the only starting locks. Westbrook is likely to start if he remains with the team. Beyond that, there are two spots up for grabs for multiple players. It will depend on the identity that new head coach Darvin Ham wants to implement.
There are two paths forward for the Lakers: One with Anthony Davis at power forward and one with him at center. Below, we’ll cover both potential depth charts, along with an accompanying rotation. We’ll also dig into some of the key positional battles that will be determined in training camp and the preseason.
Of course, one giant caveat applies to any analysis of the current roster: A lot can change between now and opening night. The Lakers’ roster will almost certainly look different than it does now. But this is an assessment of the current group. If and when moves are made, we’ll update the analysis of the roster.
Let’s delve into Version 1.0 of the Lakers’ projected depth chart, rotation and positional battles.
(Swider and Pippen aren’t included as it’s unlikely that either player has a significant role on next season’s roster barring injuries.)
Lakers depth chart (AD at PF)
Lakers starters (AD at PF)
This lineup is the most likely group to start the season. Ham has already been implementing some of Mike Budenholzer’s schemes and principles from Milwaukee, and the Bucks often prioritized size with stretch-5s (Brook Lopez and Bobby Portis).
Budenholzer typically used a 10-man rotation, with star players rarely playing more than 33 minutes per night. Davis has been in that range the past four seasons, though last season he played 35 minutes per night because the other big-man options were so bad. James’ minutes actually increased to 37 per game last season, but entering his age-38 season, that figure will have to go down to some degree.
Last season, Davis bucked the perception that he doesn’t like playing power forward by logging 76 percent of his minutes at center, his highest proportion in Los Angeles and second-highest of his career. That was largely out of necessity, as the Lakers’ spacing with a traditional center (DeAndre Jordan or Dwight Howard), Davis and Westbrook was horrific. Davis sliding over to center more — he started 21 of his 40 games there — alleviated some of those concerns.
They still persist into Year 2 of the Davis-Westbrook pairing. If anything, the Lakers’ perimeter group is worse at shooting 3s, on paper. The Lakers need to maximize spacing for driving lanes for James and Westbrook, and for Davis to operate in the post and as a roller. Shooting, especially with the starting group, will be important.
As a result, if the Lakers want Davis to remain at power forward, Bryant is the only realistic option to start alongside him. Bryant shot 41.1 percent on two attempts per game from 2019 to 2021. That’s a small sample of seasons and low volume (46 of 112), but it at least indicates he has spacing potential. Damian Jones, who was better than Bryant last season, doesn’t offer the same long-range gravity, even if he’s more of a lob/vertical threat.
But Bryant and Jones are placeholder starting centers, just as JaVale McGee and Dwight Howard were in the 2019-20 season. In this projection, Davis actually plays more center than either of them (he’s at 18 of his 33 minutes at center). It’s a three-headed committee with different skill sets.
The Lakers are looking to start whichever wing/guard can make 3s and defend at the point of attack at the highest level on the roster, according to league sources. The player that stands out in training camp and the preseason will be the favorite for the job.
Reaves gets the early nod here, as he was the best wing among this group last season. He can handle point-of-attack defensive duties, allowing Westbrook to hide on the worst perimeter scorer. He can also serve as a secondary ballhandler and playmaker that helps the offense flow. Assuming he enjoys positive regression with his shooting – he made just 31.7 percent from 3 last year after a second-half swoon – he should be in the conversation for best role-playing shooter on the roster. His primary competition is Brown Jr., who is less skilled, but shot a higher percentage on 3s last season.
Even though Westbrook starts in this scenario, he would play the fewest minutes of his career due to his projected age-related regression. Reaves would be a tick under 30 minutes per night.
Lakers bench (AD at PF)
Jones, Toscano-Anderson, Brown, Walker and Nunn fill out the 10-man rotation.
Jones essentially functions in the Howard role from 2019-20 — he finishes lobs, occasionally posts up in opportune moments, crashes the glass, and protects the rim. Toscano-Anderson is the versatile forward who complements Davis and James with his tenacious defense, energy, playmaking and league-average shooting (albeit on low volume). Brown, as he put it during his introductory press conference, is there to defend and make 3s. Walker is the spiritual successor to Monk, though he has a ways to go to match his predecessors’ shooting and efficiency. Nunn is a score-first combo guard who can spot James or Westbrook as the co-lead ballhandler and play alongside them in second-unit lineups.
The odd men out are Horton-Tucker, Stanley Johnson, Wenyen Gabriel and Max Christie. Horton-Tucker’s potential is limited as long as Westbrook is on the roster, and he continues to struggle with shooting and defensive consistency. Johnson is squeezed with a deeper frontcourt. Gabriel is the 13th man, though he’s a sleeper bench weapon if he can ever get his shot consistent. The 19-year-old Christie needs some seasoning, including bulking up and refining his shooting motion.
Starting option No. 2 (Anthony Davis at center)
Lakers depth chart (AD at C)
Lakers starters (AD at C)
There is a strong statistical counterargument that Davis is at his best at the five, since he’s too quick for most centers. Moving him up a position also allows the Lakers to play another wing, improving their spacing and perimeter defense (assuming the player is at least a neutral defender). The Lakers have crushed opponents with smaller lineups throughout Davis’ tenure.
The counterargument to that counterargument is that this roster doesn’t have the requisite perimeter size to go smaller, especially against starting groups, which often remain bigger with a traditional center and, in some cases, another big at power forward. A smaller Lakers center could be clobbered in the paint battle.
If the Lakers start Davis at center, they’ll need to find a balance that maintains some semblance of size, defense and rebounding in the frontcourt. The logical compromise is probably starting Toscano-Anderson, who’s a forward that plays bigger than his 6-foot-6 size. He can defend either forward spot, switch onto guards or centers in a pinch, rebound at a decent rate, screen, keep the ball moving and play with infectious energy.
The rest of the starting group remains unchanged. Shooting might become even more important with that fifth starter spot, so Brown Jr. could potentially have the edge over Reaves if he proves to be the more consistent long-range marksman. Brown is also the better rebounder, which matters with smaller groups.
Lakers bench (AD at C)
In this scenario, Bryant slides to the bench to back up Davis, pushing Jones to the third string and out of the rotation, except for specific matchups that call for more length, athleticism and defense. Johnson slides into Toscano-Anderson’s spot with the bench and helps bring verve to the second unit.
Horton-Tucker, Gabriel and Christie remain outside the primary rotation.
Here are the projected rotation battles that will play out in training camp and the preseason.
Starting SG
Contenders: Austin Reaves vs. Troy Brown Jr.
Reaves, who’s bulked up to 209 lbs. this offseason and is shooting twice a day to regain his 3-point shot, would be the cleanest fit if he gets his 3-point accuracy to the range that the Lakers think it can reach. He checks just about every box the Lakers need from a backcourt role player.
Meanwhile, Brown has the 3-and-D skill set the Lakers need around their stars. He also showed the ability to be a secondary playmaker early in his career in Washington. His role in Chicago was likely more of the role he’ll play with the Lakers — the Bulls also had multiple ball-dominant scorers and ballhandlers — but Brown is more than just a shooter. He’s also a better rebounder than Reaves with the ability to scale up to defend bigger wings.
Reaves’ advanced numbers are much better, he’s already familiar with half the roster, he’s earned James’ trust, and he was simply better than Brown last season (and any other wing on this roster).
Despite Horton-Tucker and Walker being the fourth- and fifth-highest paid players on the roster, respectively, they’re not contenders to start due to their weaknesses. Walker is an erratic shooter and minus defender. Horton-Tucker is arguably the worst perimeter shooter on the roster — even worse than Westbrook — and an inconsistent defender despite his impressive length.
Backup 4
Contenders: Juan Toscano-Anderson vs. Stanley Johnson
This is one of the more interesting battles. Toscano-Anderson is the better playmaker, better rebounder and is better at defending bigs. But Johnson is better against guards, which may be more important at times, considering how poor the Lakers’ perimeter defense projects to be next season.
Toscano-Anderson has the advantage because he’s the better shooter, and he’s more equipped to handle defending fours and even some fives, which is a task the Lakers might want to save James from having to handle. But this battle is close and could go either way.
4th wing
Contenders: Talen Horton-Tucker vs. Lonnie Walker IV
These are the two highest-paid wings on the Lakers (aside from James, obviously). So why are they battling for the fourth wing spot?
Because despite their scoring prowess and flashes of talent, they don’t check the boxes that wing role players who thrive around stars need: 3-point shooting and defense.
Walker has a clearer role as a microwave bench scorer, especially if his 3-point shooting returns to prior seasons’ levels. Horton-Tucker has a difficult path to consistent minutes considering the challenges fitting his game with James/Westbrook and a traditional center. The only path to him eclipsing Walker seems to be his defense improving to the point that he becomes a reliable wing stopper.
Johnson could enter this conversation, but he’s more likely to be used as a small-ball big, as he often was last season.
Backup PG
Contenders: Kendrick Nunn vs. Austin Reaves vs. Talen Horton-Tucker
Nunn certainly has the edge here, assuming he can stay healthy. He recently told Spectrum SportsNet that he’s 100 percent.
The Lakers invested in Nunn last offseason and have the incentive to play him to salvage the value of that signing. Even if he’s not the prototypical point guard, he has the most point guard experience at the NBA level among this group. He also might be the best shooter on the roster and can handle his own defensively at the point of attack. He can play on or off the ball.
One loophole to getting more minutes for Reaves without sacrificing playing time for other wings on the roster is to use him at point guard. Down the stretch last season, he proved to be a solid lead ballhandler. Five of Reaves’ top six assist performances came in the final three weeks of the season. Reaves played point guard into college and is one of the few pass-first guards on the roster.
Horton-Tucker is at his best with the ball in his hands. In theory, if he improves his decision-making, he could find the right balance of shot creation for himself and his teammates. It seems unrealistic, though, at least as long as Westbrook is on the roster, as the Lakers will likely have James or Westbrook on the floor at all times. Horton-Tucker is a suboptimal fit next to either player and has shifted more toward small forward minutes-wise.
For most NBA teams, these are the dog days of the offseason. But for the Lakers, among a handful of teams in pursuit of the star players available on the trade market, their offseason is far from settled — potentially even dragging into training camp.
The franchise is continuing to pursue avenues to substantially improve the roster, most notably in the form of trading Russell Westbrook for a better third star (Kyrie Irving) or stronger depth (Myles Turner and Buddy Hield). But those discussions are partly beholden to Kevin Durant’s future in Brooklyn, which might be resolved within the next two months (training camps start in late September).
As things stand, the Lakers have 14 players under contract, which is the likely number they will carry into next season. The Lakers have recently preferred the flexibility of leaving a roster spot open in case they want to sign a player out of the G League, for flexibility in trades, and for the January/February buyout market. They also have two players on two-way contracts: Cole Swider and Scotty Pippen Jr.
The Lakers’ depth chart is currently unclear. James and Davis are the only starting locks. Westbrook is likely to start if he remains with the team. Beyond that, there are two spots up for grabs for multiple players. It will depend on the identity that new head coach Darvin Ham wants to implement.
There are two paths forward for the Lakers: One with Anthony Davis at power forward and one with him at center. Below, we’ll cover both potential depth charts, along with an accompanying rotation. We’ll also dig into some of the key positional battles that will be determined in training camp and the preseason.
Of course, one giant caveat applies to any analysis of the current roster: A lot can change between now and opening night. The Lakers’ roster will almost certainly look different than it does now. But this is an assessment of the current group. If and when moves are made, we’ll update the analysis of the roster.
Let’s delve into Version 1.0 of the Lakers’ projected depth chart, rotation and positional battles.
(Swider and Pippen aren’t included as it’s unlikely that either player has a significant role on next season’s roster barring injuries.)
Lakers depth chart (AD at PF)
Lakers starters (AD at PF)
This lineup is the most likely group to start the season. Ham has already been implementing some of Mike Budenholzer’s schemes and principles from Milwaukee, and the Bucks often prioritized size with stretch-5s (Brook Lopez and Bobby Portis).
Budenholzer typically used a 10-man rotation, with star players rarely playing more than 33 minutes per night. Davis has been in that range the past four seasons, though last season he played 35 minutes per night because the other big-man options were so bad. James’ minutes actually increased to 37 per game last season, but entering his age-38 season, that figure will have to go down to some degree.
Last season, Davis bucked the perception that he doesn’t like playing power forward by logging 76 percent of his minutes at center, his highest proportion in Los Angeles and second-highest of his career. That was largely out of necessity, as the Lakers’ spacing with a traditional center (DeAndre Jordan or Dwight Howard), Davis and Westbrook was horrific. Davis sliding over to center more — he started 21 of his 40 games there — alleviated some of those concerns.
They still persist into Year 2 of the Davis-Westbrook pairing. If anything, the Lakers’ perimeter group is worse at shooting 3s, on paper. The Lakers need to maximize spacing for driving lanes for James and Westbrook, and for Davis to operate in the post and as a roller. Shooting, especially with the starting group, will be important.
As a result, if the Lakers want Davis to remain at power forward, Bryant is the only realistic option to start alongside him. Bryant shot 41.1 percent on two attempts per game from 2019 to 2021. That’s a small sample of seasons and low volume (46 of 112), but it at least indicates he has spacing potential. Damian Jones, who was better than Bryant last season, doesn’t offer the same long-range gravity, even if he’s more of a lob/vertical threat.
But Bryant and Jones are placeholder starting centers, just as JaVale McGee and Dwight Howard were in the 2019-20 season. In this projection, Davis actually plays more center than either of them (he’s at 18 of his 33 minutes at center). It’s a three-headed committee with different skill sets.
The Lakers are looking to start whichever wing/guard can make 3s and defend at the point of attack at the highest level on the roster, according to league sources. The player that stands out in training camp and the preseason will be the favorite for the job.
Reaves gets the early nod here, as he was the best wing among this group last season. He can handle point-of-attack defensive duties, allowing Westbrook to hide on the worst perimeter scorer. He can also serve as a secondary ballhandler and playmaker that helps the offense flow. Assuming he enjoys positive regression with his shooting – he made just 31.7 percent from 3 last year after a second-half swoon – he should be in the conversation for best role-playing shooter on the roster. His primary competition is Brown Jr., who is less skilled, but shot a higher percentage on 3s last season.
Even though Westbrook starts in this scenario, he would play the fewest minutes of his career due to his projected age-related regression. Reaves would be a tick under 30 minutes per night.
Lakers bench (AD at PF)
Jones, Toscano-Anderson, Brown, Walker and Nunn fill out the 10-man rotation.
Jones essentially functions in the Howard role from 2019-20 — he finishes lobs, occasionally posts up in opportune moments, crashes the glass, and protects the rim. Toscano-Anderson is the versatile forward who complements Davis and James with his tenacious defense, energy, playmaking and league-average shooting (albeit on low volume). Brown, as he put it during his introductory press conference, is there to defend and make 3s. Walker is the spiritual successor to Monk, though he has a ways to go to match his predecessors’ shooting and efficiency. Nunn is a score-first combo guard who can spot James or Westbrook as the co-lead ballhandler and play alongside them in second-unit lineups.
The odd men out are Horton-Tucker, Stanley Johnson, Wenyen Gabriel and Max Christie. Horton-Tucker’s potential is limited as long as Westbrook is on the roster, and he continues to struggle with shooting and defensive consistency. Johnson is squeezed with a deeper frontcourt. Gabriel is the 13th man, though he’s a sleeper bench weapon if he can ever get his shot consistent. The 19-year-old Christie needs some seasoning, including bulking up and refining his shooting motion.
Starting option No. 2 (Anthony Davis at center)
Lakers depth chart (AD at C)
Lakers starters (AD at C)
There is a strong statistical counterargument that Davis is at his best at the five, since he’s too quick for most centers. Moving him up a position also allows the Lakers to play another wing, improving their spacing and perimeter defense (assuming the player is at least a neutral defender). The Lakers have crushed opponents with smaller lineups throughout Davis’ tenure.
The counterargument to that counterargument is that this roster doesn’t have the requisite perimeter size to go smaller, especially against starting groups, which often remain bigger with a traditional center and, in some cases, another big at power forward. A smaller Lakers center could be clobbered in the paint battle.
If the Lakers start Davis at center, they’ll need to find a balance that maintains some semblance of size, defense and rebounding in the frontcourt. The logical compromise is probably starting Toscano-Anderson, who’s a forward that plays bigger than his 6-foot-6 size. He can defend either forward spot, switch onto guards or centers in a pinch, rebound at a decent rate, screen, keep the ball moving and play with infectious energy.
The rest of the starting group remains unchanged. Shooting might become even more important with that fifth starter spot, so Brown Jr. could potentially have the edge over Reaves if he proves to be the more consistent long-range marksman. Brown is also the better rebounder, which matters with smaller groups.
Lakers bench (AD at C)
In this scenario, Bryant slides to the bench to back up Davis, pushing Jones to the third string and out of the rotation, except for specific matchups that call for more length, athleticism and defense. Johnson slides into Toscano-Anderson’s spot with the bench and helps bring verve to the second unit.
Horton-Tucker, Gabriel and Christie remain outside the primary rotation.
Here are the projected rotation battles that will play out in training camp and the preseason.
Starting SG
Contenders: Austin Reaves vs. Troy Brown Jr.
Reaves, who’s bulked up to 209 lbs. this offseason and is shooting twice a day to regain his 3-point shot, would be the cleanest fit if he gets his 3-point accuracy to the range that the Lakers think it can reach. He checks just about every box the Lakers need from a backcourt role player.
Meanwhile, Brown has the 3-and-D skill set the Lakers need around their stars. He also showed the ability to be a secondary playmaker early in his career in Washington. His role in Chicago was likely more of the role he’ll play with the Lakers — the Bulls also had multiple ball-dominant scorers and ballhandlers — but Brown is more than just a shooter. He’s also a better rebounder than Reaves with the ability to scale up to defend bigger wings.
Reaves’ advanced numbers are much better, he’s already familiar with half the roster, he’s earned James’ trust, and he was simply better than Brown last season (and any other wing on this roster).
Despite Horton-Tucker and Walker being the fourth- and fifth-highest paid players on the roster, respectively, they’re not contenders to start due to their weaknesses. Walker is an erratic shooter and minus defender. Horton-Tucker is arguably the worst perimeter shooter on the roster — even worse than Westbrook — and an inconsistent defender despite his impressive length.
Backup 4
Contenders: Juan Toscano-Anderson vs. Stanley Johnson
This is one of the more interesting battles. Toscano-Anderson is the better playmaker, better rebounder and is better at defending bigs. But Johnson is better against guards, which may be more important at times, considering how poor the Lakers’ perimeter defense projects to be next season.
Toscano-Anderson has the advantage because he’s the better shooter, and he’s more equipped to handle defending fours and even some fives, which is a task the Lakers might want to save James from having to handle. But this battle is close and could go either way.
4th wing
Contenders: Talen Horton-Tucker vs. Lonnie Walker IV
These are the two highest-paid wings on the Lakers (aside from James, obviously). So why are they battling for the fourth wing spot?
Because despite their scoring prowess and flashes of talent, they don’t check the boxes that wing role players who thrive around stars need: 3-point shooting and defense.
Walker has a clearer role as a microwave bench scorer, especially if his 3-point shooting returns to prior seasons’ levels. Horton-Tucker has a difficult path to consistent minutes considering the challenges fitting his game with James/Westbrook and a traditional center. The only path to him eclipsing Walker seems to be his defense improving to the point that he becomes a reliable wing stopper.
Johnson could enter this conversation, but he’s more likely to be used as a small-ball big, as he often was last season.
Backup PG
Contenders: Kendrick Nunn vs. Austin Reaves vs. Talen Horton-Tucker
Nunn certainly has the edge here, assuming he can stay healthy. He recently told Spectrum SportsNet that he’s 100 percent.
The Lakers invested in Nunn last offseason and have the incentive to play him to salvage the value of that signing. Even if he’s not the prototypical point guard, he has the most point guard experience at the NBA level among this group. He also might be the best shooter on the roster and can handle his own defensively at the point of attack. He can play on or off the ball.
One loophole to getting more minutes for Reaves without sacrificing playing time for other wings on the roster is to use him at point guard. Down the stretch last season, he proved to be a solid lead ballhandler. Five of Reaves’ top six assist performances came in the final three weeks of the season. Reaves played point guard into college and is one of the few pass-first guards on the roster.
Horton-Tucker is at his best with the ball in his hands. In theory, if he improves his decision-making, he could find the right balance of shot creation for himself and his teammates. It seems unrealistic, though, at least as long as Westbrook is on the roster, as the Lakers will likely have James or Westbrook on the floor at all times. Horton-Tucker is a suboptimal fit next to either player and has shifted more toward small forward minutes-wise.
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Three headed monster with Huff, Jones and Bryant
Reminds me of Wennington, Luc Longley and Joe Kleine
Reminds me of Wennington, Luc Longley and Joe Kleine
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thats too much for hield.
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Do it for Buddy!!
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Kind of sad to see Nunn go in that deal. You lose a shooter to bring in a shooter. But no choice to make contract work. Also you’re selling at their absolutely lowest point in their stock with Nunn and tht
We will see what happens. I don’t believe any report until it’s official from Woj or shams.
We will see what happens. I don’t believe any report until it’s official from Woj or shams.
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If it’s a 2nd
I’d do that for buddy
ONLY if we know Rust is staying
I’d do that for buddy
ONLY if we know Rust is staying
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Everyone here hates THT and Nunn but sad to see them go
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THT can go .
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Man. Three weeks ago I had dreams of these top three names on our team. And all reports indicated we were. Lol.
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Man I honestly want Nunn on the roster this year.
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Nunn will be great for us. Unfortunate he had to sit out the year. Kind’ve hurt his stock. May be good for us if we look to resign him after this season. Assuming he makes it to the end of course.
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If Nunn balls out we would have early bird rights.
I’m rooting for him.
THT needs a team to develop on. Don’t think he’s ready to contribute to championship basketball. He needs to find himself.
I’m rooting for him.
THT needs a team to develop on. Don’t think he’s ready to contribute to championship basketball. He needs to find himself.
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He also needs to develop a shot
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It would be nice for Swider and his automatic deep ball make the 15-man roster so that Huff can get the two-way contract.
I can say with full confidence that Swider right now is already the best three point shooter on the team
I can say with full confidence that Swider right now is already the best three point shooter on the team
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The thing with swider tho….
Can he do it at the NBA level every night?
I can’t be putting that much faith in a rook with not 1 minute on the floor.
LeBron easily our best 3pt shooter lol
Can he do it at the NBA level every night?
I can’t be putting that much faith in a rook with not 1 minute on the floor.
LeBron easily our best 3pt shooter lol
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We had Danny Green & KCP in our starting lineup and gave em away LOL.
