Nas: the most complete evolved rapper to ever spit..........yeah okay

[wade187]

mace40 wrote:

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I don't know what's so outlandish about this comparison.

Both are easily top tier emcees with great catalogues.

As far as artistic growth is concerned, you could easily make the case that Nas has devolved while 3K has done nothing but evolve.

Neither of these guys make my top 5, so I don't have a personal stake in this argument, but quit acting like OP compared the Juice Crew to B2K.
What catalogue does andre have though? If yall gonna make this argument yall gotta speak on the kast as a whole cause andre as of yet isn'teven a solo artist. Every one here respects andre as an artist so yall need to stop coming with them "If 3000 was from Brooklyn and not Bankhead theywould have been crowned dude " and "quit acting like OP compared the Juice Crew to B2K." statements like these to make it seem as if any one issaying andre is garbage. Daytona you not comparing andre to ja rule. You comparing him to a man that dropped illmatic. A man who has been doing this a decadeand a half. Andre been doing it just as long so much respect but like everyone is saying he hasnt been doing it on his own. You really think it's fair tocompare a mans verses to an individual like nas's aslbums? Nas to many is seen amongst the greatest to ever do it, illmatic to many is to be seen as thegreatest hip hop album of all time. You just can't do that man. Now if you wanna say outkast as a whole then maybe it would be a legitamite argument, mostpeople would still disagree but some would actually agree. It just don't make sense when outkast as a whole being better then nas is questionable for youto throw it out there that half of their duo alone is better.

 

[daytona 5000]

Originally Posted by Wade187

mace40 wrote:

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I don't know what's so outlandish about this comparison.

Both are easily top tier emcees with great catalogues.

As far as artistic growth is concerned, you could easily make the case that Nas has devolved while 3K has done nothing but evolve.

Neither of these guys make my top 5, so I don't have a personal stake in this argument, but quit acting like OP compared the Juice Crew to B2K.

What catalogue does andre have though? If yall gonna make this argument yall gotta speak on the kast as a whole cause andre as of yet isn't even a solo artist. Every one here respects andre as an artist so yall need to stop coming with them "If 3000 was from Brooklyn and not Bankhead they would have been crowned dude " and "quit acting like OP compared the Juice Crew to B2K." statements like these to make it seem as if any one is saying andre is garbage. Daytona you not comparing andre to ja rule. You comparing him to a man that dropped illmatic. A man who has been doing this a decade and a half. Andre been doing it just as long so much respect but like everyone is saying he hasnt been doing it on his own. You really think it's fair to compare a mans verses to an individual like nas's aslbums? Nas to many is seen amongst the greatest to ever do it, illmatic to many is to be seen as the greatest hip hop album of all time. You just can't do that man. Now if you wanna say outkast as a whole then maybe it would be a legitamite argument, most people would still disagree but some would actually agree. It just don't make sense when outkast as a whole being better then nas is questionable for you to throw it out there that half of their duo alone is better.


ahh... good ol' illmatic.....Nas' zenith. lol.I don't think you guys will ever let that go

 

[haiti5]

did this n_ really say andre is better than Nas..omfg

 

[mace40]

Wade187 wrote:

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Nas to many is seen amongst the greatest to ever do it, illmatic to many is to be seen as the greatest hip hop album of all time. You just can't do that man. Now if you wanna say outkast as a whole then maybe it would be a legitamite argument, most people would still disagree but some would actually agree. It just don't make sense when outkast as a whole being better then nas is questionable for you to throw it out there that half of their duo alone is better.
He's not saying that by virtue of 3K being better than Nas, Outkast is head and shoulders above Nas. And if he is, that's a shoddyargument.

However, don't think that by talking about 3K, anyone's taking points away from Big Boi, because to undermine Big Boi as an emcee is asinine.

Nas is seen by a great many as the best, Illmatic too. Fine. As long as you realize that that opinion is a very East Coast-centric one.

3K never dropped a Nastradamus, he never dropped a Street's Disciple, alone or with a group. He did, after a decade-long string of great, criticallyacclaimed rap albums with a duo, release the Love Below, which was at that point the culmination of what artists like Common and Wyclef had been trying to dofor years.

If your argument is that you can't be better than Nas or another equivalent emcee if you've been part of a group for most of your existence ,that's questionable at best , as well as something people disregard when talking about plenty of other rappers on this board.

EDIT:

Originally Posted by Deuce King

Oh I forgot, according to you, he needs maybe 3-4 solo albums before I can compare him

Yes he does. If you wanna just make threads for shock value or to raise eyesbrows here in the Music Forum you might as well just compare a one-hit wonder on the radio now to Nas. It would pretty much be the same quest for attention that you are looking for with this thread.
Normally you're fairly on point, but this is ludicrous.

 

[deuce king]

Oh I forgot, according to you, he needs maybe 3-4 solo albums before I can compare him

Yes he does. If you wanna just make threads for shock value or to raise eyesbrows here in the Music Forum you might as well just compare a one-hit wonder onthe radio now to Nas. It would pretty much be the same quest for attention that you are looking for with this thread.

and only consider Andre's verses.

If you want me to only consider Andre's verses than that negates your previous statement for me to listen to their 1st 3 albums, cause you just proved tome that Andre doesn't have 3 albums of his own. What you want me and the rest of the music forum to do is go back over Outkast's first 3 albums andsomehow melt all of Andre's verses and let that stand as the testament to a compliation of 3 solo albums by Andre...................LOL. The fact of thematter is that Outkast's first 3 albums or any Outkast album for that matter wasn't 100% all Andre's vision, and that's what matters here. Weknow that Nas's albums are his vision and his vision alone. WE CAN'T SAY THE SAME FOR ANDRE.

thought you were doing it, didn't you?


Nah not really, it's moreso child's play on my part. It's like me being surprised by showing up a kid in elementary school.....I'm suppose to

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A man who has been doing this a decade and a half. Andre been doing it just as long so much respect but like everyone is saying he hasnt been doing it on his own. You really think it's fair to compare a mans verses to an individual like nas's aslbums? Nas to many is seen amongst the greatest to ever do it, illmatic to many is to be seen as the greatest hip hop album of all time. You just can't do that man. Now if you wanna say outkast as a whole then maybe it would be a legitamite argument, most people would still disagree but some would actually agree. It just don't make sense when outkast as a whole being better then nas is questionable for you to throw it out there that half of their duo alone is better.



100% Truth.

 

[m16]

Ignoring the group argument, Andre isn't seeing Nas in any aspect of being a rapper period.

 

[datboi23]

Nas first 3 albums > outcast discography

 

[wade187]

mace40 wrote:

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Wade187 wrote:

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Nas to many is seen amongst the greatest to ever do it, illmatic to many is to be seen as the greatest hip hop album of all time. You just can't do that man. Now if you wanna say outkast as a whole then maybe it would be a legitamite argument, most people would still disagree but some would actually agree. It just don't make sense when outkast as a whole being better then nas is questionable for you to throw it out there that half of their duo alone is better.
He's not saying that by virtue of 3K being better than Nas, Outkast is head and shoulders above Nas. And if he is, that's a shoddy argument.

However, don't think that by talking about 3K, anyone's taking points away from Big Boi, because to undermine Big Boi as an emcee is asinine.

Nas is seen by a great many as the best, Illmatic too. Fine. As long as you realize that that opinion is a very East Coast-centric one.

3K never dropped a Nastradamus, he never dropped a Street's Disciple, alone or with a group. He did, after a decade-long string of great, critically acclaimed rap albums with a duo, release the Love Below, which was at that point the culmination of what artists like Common and Wyclef had been trying to do for years.

If your argument is that you can't be better than Nas or another equivalent emcee if you've been part of a group for most of your existence , that's questionable at best , as well as something people disregard when talking about plenty of other rappers on this board.

EDIT:

Originally Posted by Deuce King

Oh I forgot, according to you, he needs maybe 3-4 solo albums before I can compare him

Yes he does. If you wanna just make threads for shock value or to raise eyesbrows here in the Music Forum you might as well just compare a one-hit wonder on the radio now to Nas. It would pretty much be the same quest for attention that you are looking for with this thread.
Normally you're fairly on point, but this is ludicrous.


Only east coast thinks illmatic is the G.O.A.T? Fam you ask your favorite artist he'll most likely tell you the same thing. Quit that. 3K never droppedanything other then the love below. So how could he drop a nastradamus? You think if andre would have been a solo artist all these years he wouldnt drop a dud?Dude has to spit half as many verses on every single album he's been on except one. That alone gives a huge advantage. Not to mention 3K is rarely onfeautures. Nas has alot more out there compared to 3K. So even if whos better is arguable (which I dont think it is) but I'll give you the benefit of thedoubt. Nas being able to put more out still puts him above andre.

 

[cadillacflow]

Originally Posted by DatBoi23

Nas first 3 albums > outcast discography

 

[joshhassolex]

umm.....no

 

[deepinthajeep]

3000 > Nas

but

Illmatic > *

 

[daytona 5000]

Nas being able to put more out still puts him above andre.


So you agree wtih me that Jay-Z > Big right??

and besides that "withstanding the test of time" BS you still haven't told me how nas is a more complete artist then andre

 

[m16]

Originally Posted by DAYTONA 5000

Nas being able to put more out still puts him above andre.

So you agree wtih me that Jay-Z > Big right??

and besides that "withstanding the test of time" BS you still haven't told me how nas is a more complete artist then andre



Can you honestly tell me a single aspect where Dre > Nas ?

 

[daytona 5000]

Originally Posted by M16

Originally Posted by DAYTONA 5000

Nas being able to put more out still puts him above andre.

So you agree wtih me that Jay-Z > Big right??

and besides that "withstanding the test of time" BS you still haven't told me how nas is a more complete artist then andre

Can you honestly tell me a single aspect where Dre > Nas ?
name 1 wack verse from 3000

 

[b smooth 202]

The duo arguement against 3000 is a cop out.

 

[mace40]

^I would have said flow.

 

[spot rusherz]

Ridiculous.

 

[daytona 5000]

Originally Posted by mace40

^I would have said flow.

I was going for consistency, but his flow is

true i got more fans than the average man
but not enough loot to last me
til the end of the week, i live by the beat
like you live check to check.

the line is not even remarkable but the way
he spits it is

 

[b smooth 202]

actually that whole verse is remarkable

 

[mali700]

no just no 3k is nice but Nasir is just better

 

[spot rusherz]

Nas > Outkast.

 

[m16]

Originally Posted by DAYTONA 5000

Originally Posted by M16

Originally Posted by DAYTONA 5000

Nas being able to put more out still puts him above andre.

So you agree wtih me that Jay-Z > Big right??

and besides that "withstanding the test of time" BS you still haven't told me how nas is a more complete artist then andre

Can you honestly tell me a single aspect where Dre > Nas ?

name 1 wack verse from 3000




Are you really gonna compare Dre to Nas lyrically ? Do you want to go verse for verse back and forth ?

Anyway, the whole Hey Ya thing was particularlyembarrassing. Green Light

Walk it out remix ?

Originally Posted by Spot Rusherz

Nas > Outkast.

It's not even up for question.

 

[spot rusherz]

Originally Posted by M16

Originally Posted by DAYTONA 5000

Originally Posted by M16

Originally Posted by DAYTONA 5000

Nas being able to put more out still puts him above andre.

So you agree wtih me that Jay-Z > Big right??

and besides that "withstanding the test of time" BS you still haven't told me how nas is a more complete artist then andre

Can you honestly tell me a single aspect where Dre > Nas ?

name 1 wack verse from 3000

Are you really gonna compare Dre to Nas lyrically ? Do you want to go verse for verse back and forth ?

Anyway, the whole Hey Ya thing was particularly embarrassing. Green Light

Walk it out remix ?

M16 I agree with you on this.

No way in hell is 3 Stacks better than Nas with an album like 'Speaker Box'.....

 

[daytona 5000]

Hey Ya is a perfect example of Andre's evolution as an artist, though. Like dude said in the previous page Nas has DEVOLVED as an artist.

 

[m16]

Originally Posted by DAYTONA 5000

Hey Ya is a perfect example of Andre's evolution as an artist, though. Like dude said in the previous page Nas has DEVOLVED as an artist.

Are you joking ? Untitled was an example of evolution.