undefinedinc wrote:
mondaynightraw wrote:
Epidemik The Great wrote:
so him and his dad jumped some attendants with shovels and #$+@ and he ended up gettin stabbed...
he shouldn't have gotten killed, but......
Pretty much. No sympathy from me.
It just wouldn't be Niketalk without a pair of idiots...So lets see..HIS FATHER starts the fight, HIS FATHER starts hitting dudes, and what if he saw HIS FATHER getting beat up OR what if he was trying to break the fight up and then unfortunately had to get stabbed while doing so? If I saw my father getting beat up, whether he started the fight or not, I'm going in to help him..So maybe you should try to think, its not that hard......
well u know this is nt and like half these dudes had moms who ran off their dads so they kinda biased in that aspect. had it been a mother out there and she was single etc.. this thread would be going in an entire different direction. folks would be saying the attendants should be tortured, etc... End of the day we dont have the complete facts/truths of the story. And while im not a big advocate of violence, if dude was really defending his father then as sad as the outcome is, many ppl would be there in the aid of their parents.
Thing is did the dad throw the first punch? Where did the shovel come from? And where did the attendant get the alledged shank/blade/object from? Did he find it/carry it with him? I dont know about nyc, but in most states the attendant would be held for murder because he escalated the event with the foreign object. Unless his defense can say it was under a life and death situation, thus warranting him the right to use said object as a only means to defend himself in a life threatening situation.
Worst case scenario i believe the attendant should be charged with murder, and depending on the accounts the father with aggravated assault. Even mif father started it that doesnt warrant them stabbing the son. The father maybe seeing he used a shovel. But even that isnt exactly even force. Thats like one man with a knife, the other with a gun. All in all it was a stupid thing his dad did, and it resulted in a inncoent kid being killed, and many ppl lives ruined.
undefinedinc wrote:
mondaynightraw wrote:
Epidemik The Great wrote:
so him and his dad jumped some attendants with shovels and #$+@ and he ended up gettin stabbed...
he shouldn't have gotten killed, but......
Pretty much. No sympathy from me.
It just wouldn't be Niketalk without a pair of idiots...So lets see..HIS FATHER starts the fight, HIS FATHER starts hitting dudes, and what if he saw HIS FATHER getting beat up OR what if he was trying to break the fight up and then unfortunately had to get stabbed while doing so? If I saw my father getting beat up, whether he started the fight or not, I'm going in to help him..So maybe you should try to think, its not that hard......
well u know this is nt and like half these dudes had moms who ran off their dads so they kinda biased in that aspect. had it been a mother out there and she was single etc.. this thread would be going in an entire different direction. folks would be saying the attendants should be tortured, etc... End of the day we dont have the complete facts/truths of the story. And while im not a big advocate of violence, if dude was really defending his father then as sad as the outcome is, many ppl would be there in the aid of their parents.
Thing is did the dad throw the first punch? Where did the shovel come from? And where did the attendant get the alledged shank/blade/object from? Did he find it/carry it with him? I dont know about nyc, but in most states the attendant would be held for murder because he escalated the event with the foreign object. Unless his defense can say it was under a life and death situation, thus warranting him the right to use said object as a only means to defend himself in a life threatening situation.
Worst case scenario i believe the attendant should be charged with murder, and depending on the accounts the father with aggravated assault. Even mif father started it that doesnt warrant them stabbing the son. The father maybe seeing he used a shovel. But even that isnt exactly even force. Thats like one man with a knife, the other with a gun. All in all it was a stupid thing his dad did, and it resulted in a inncoent kid being killed, and many ppl lives ruined.
after seeing the vid, the stupid journalists were spot on.Originally Posted by morningstar7777
Do you really believe every word that comes out of the newspapers/tv tho? They made his son looked like he "charged like a linebacker", tell me that isn't a play of words by stupid journalists to make them look menacing and of course people are going to believe that because he is a football player.......You can start with the fact that the reported cologne was his son which was wrong, if they get a small detail like that wrong what makes you think the other details ain't wrong?
after seeing the vid, the stupid journalists were spot on.Originally Posted by morningstar7777
Do you really believe every word that comes out of the newspapers/tv tho? They made his son looked like he "charged like a linebacker", tell me that isn't a play of words by stupid journalists to make them look menacing and of course people are going to believe that because he is a football player.......You can start with the fact that the reported cologne was his son which was wrong, if they get a small detail like that wrong what makes you think the other details ain't wrong?
Not to pick on you, but I just went back to read the POV from the dad....Originally Posted by morningstar7777
Here's the scoop, from a DIRECT source (the pops), sad sad story, I'll list it in points so it's easier to read:
-Cologne wasn't his son's, it was his
-When he went to the side panel where the cologne is, the box was still there but the cologne was missing
-He goes to confront the attendants, and they pretend that they didn't speak english when they were talking to him fluently before
-The attendant tells the pops that the manager is on a lunch break
-The attendants then made a phone call which was supposed to be for the police but it ended up being a young dude who was supposed to be the manager
-The attendants then tell the pops that the manager is on vacation
-The pops heard them saying some racist stuff in spanish
-One of the attendants said "give me the knife" in spanish, fight starts
-Scuffle occurs inside the office where there are cameras
-His son came to help him and one of the attendants pulls out a MACHETE and a jailhouse type ice pick from the office
-Father was cut in the arm by the machete, father picks up a shovel and hits attendant
-Son was stabbed with ice pick
-They kept fighting until they were able to close the door to the office to separate them from each other...
-Father didn't know his son was stabbed until he got back to his car, son said he was good until he started spitting up blood, father takes him to the hospital immediately
-Father gets arrested for assault charges
-Father gets arraigned and doesn't know his son is dead (the video you see on the news with him in court at the time he doesn't know his son is dead) He was asking the COs in bookings and they kept dancing around the question
-Father finds out son is dead after he gets released
And to top it off, from the report it doesn't look like anything is going to happen to the people who killed his son. He accepts the fact that they are making it out to be his fault and he is fine with serving time for the assault. But his son dying is already bad enough, the fact that the attendants doesn't get charged is @+!+!*#%. I hope this becomes national and Al Sharpton gets involved someway.
Not to pick on you, but I just went back to read the POV from the dad....Originally Posted by morningstar7777
Here's the scoop, from a DIRECT source (the pops), sad sad story, I'll list it in points so it's easier to read:
-Cologne wasn't his son's, it was his
-When he went to the side panel where the cologne is, the box was still there but the cologne was missing
-He goes to confront the attendants, and they pretend that they didn't speak english when they were talking to him fluently before
-The attendant tells the pops that the manager is on a lunch break
-The attendants then made a phone call which was supposed to be for the police but it ended up being a young dude who was supposed to be the manager
-The attendants then tell the pops that the manager is on vacation
-The pops heard them saying some racist stuff in spanish
-One of the attendants said "give me the knife" in spanish, fight starts
-Scuffle occurs inside the office where there are cameras
-His son came to help him and one of the attendants pulls out a MACHETE and a jailhouse type ice pick from the office
-Father was cut in the arm by the machete, father picks up a shovel and hits attendant
-Son was stabbed with ice pick
-They kept fighting until they were able to close the door to the office to separate them from each other...
-Father didn't know his son was stabbed until he got back to his car, son said he was good until he started spitting up blood, father takes him to the hospital immediately
-Father gets arrested for assault charges
-Father gets arraigned and doesn't know his son is dead (the video you see on the news with him in court at the time he doesn't know his son is dead) He was asking the COs in bookings and they kept dancing around the question
-Father finds out son is dead after he gets released
And to top it off, from the report it doesn't look like anything is going to happen to the people who killed his son. He accepts the fact that they are making it out to be his fault and he is fine with serving time for the assault. But his son dying is already bad enough, the fact that the attendants doesn't get charged is @+!+!*#%. I hope this becomes national and Al Sharpton gets involved someway.
